DENVER | Main Development Thread #7

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

That's a big ask and I'm wondering what kind of interest they received ahead of time given that the interest window was only 45 days.

IIRC, bunt offered to do the legal work.

[TakeFive]

Hi! I am Mica
Pre-leasing Begins August 2022; Move-Ins Anticipated November 2022

4290 Brighton Blvd




Renderings courtesy of Zeigler Cooper Architects

Mica RiNo

Cool, fun marketing for this Hines - Cresset Real Estate Partners project:

DENVER IS FULL OF OPPOSITES:

skyscrapers & MOUNTAINTOPS, steel + earth, ENERGY + tranquility.

It’s a city that finds comfort in contrast and Mica RiNo is no different. In Denver’s hottest neighborhood, teeming with texture, culture, and non-stop entertainment, Mica is a sophisticated place of self-expression. Inside and out sharp industrial styling blends with earthy materials and artistic details for a truly distinctive edge. Altogether, Mica RiNo is an inspired living experience where artistry and industry unite for an exceptionally good time.

Note: Given this project celebrated its "Topping Out" in February the opening seems rather aggressive but laniroj says he doesn't mind.

[laniroj]

Originally Posted by TakeFive

...Note: Given this project celebrated its "Topping Out" in February the opening seems rather aggressive but laniroj says he doesn't mind.

If having to tolerate cold brew hipster coffee and $22 artisan sandwiches is what we have to do to get housing, then so be it. Anything for rooftops is my mantra. Sure seems Hines/Crescent (or is it Cressent?) are sure setting themselves up for a 16th Street drama if they install those slippery pavers next to the Mission Ballroom!!!

[rds70]

The first true rendering of the Evans East project that I have found (17 stories, 300 units plus 15,000 square feet of ground floor retail):

[TakeFive]

Hi! I'm The Stella

You won't find me among the fancy-pants projects in the Golden Triangle. No, no, no, I'm the second new apartment at the Laradon campus in the Globeville Neighborhood for people with disabilities (or not). You might recall The Elisabetta which opened in 2019.

5190 N Broadway

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Images courtesy developer, Gorman & Company

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2022/03/16/a...ex-opens-denver-globeville-neighborhood/

DENVER (CBS4) – The waitlist for affordable housing in one Denver neighborhood just got a little shorter. The city celebrated its latest effort in increasing housing stability Wednesday in Globeville. The Stella offers 132 affordable apartments, along with life-changing support in North Denver.

The Stella is located on the campus of Laradon, a nonprofit that empowers children and adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities (IDD) through programs and services. Some units at The Stella are dedicated to people transitioning out of homelessness.

Doug McNeill, CEO of Laradon, knows it can be difficult for people with intellectual and developmental disabilities to find housing. He says some are at risk of becoming homeless themselves.

Credit for coverage of The Stella and other projects on the previous page is a tribute to laniroj (and others) for their deep concern of providing enough affordable housing in Denver.

Top Notch

Originally Posted by rds70

The first true rendering of the Evans East project that I have found (17 stories, 300 units plus 15,000 square feet of ground floor retail):

That's a very nice, good looking project.

[SirLucasTheGreat]

Evans East looks nice. It seems like design review has improved the materials while luckily not slowing down GT's momentum. That area between 11th and 12th on Acoma and Bannock is going to be insane if everything gets built.

[bulldurhamer]

the sidewalks are a disaster. 100 years old.

https://www.denvergov.org/content/dam/de...am/documents/NSRP-Sidewalk-DIY-Guide.pdf

the city tells you to fix them yourself, no matter that you are probably looking at 100 year old sandstone slabs. good luck with that.

yes, people walk, and yes, the sidewalks are getting worse each year. there's also the whole inclusivity thing, you know? we should all get to use the sidewalks. this should really be a top priority and clearly it's not. that wheelchair bound councilman should have hunger strike or something to draw attention to this until it's taken seriously

Originally Posted by TakeFive

Yes we'll walk with a walk that is measured and slow,
and we'll go where the chalk-white arrows go,
for the children, they mark, and the children, they know,
the place where the sidewalk ends.
Credit Shel Silverstein

Sidewalks have only been a cause célèbre for about half a decade. Prior to that most people couldn't give two chits about sidewalks, especially those who live in suburban neighborhoods. BTW, the neighborhoods and areas that most could benefit from sidewalks already have them. That's not to say it shouldn't be an issue or that improvements couldn't be made.

I do get a kick out the the guy who walks along Colorado Blvd to demonstrate the lack of any sidewalk. Yet as much as this guy loves to walk he couldn't go one block over where he could peacefully walk along a neighborhood street?

Of the 500 projects in the Elevate Denver Bond program, sidewalks would be near the bottom of the list for me.

More importantly IMO is the ongoing program to repair existing sidewalks but that ran into Pandemic problems and various other issues. As often the case what sounds 'so simple' turns out to be anything but.

One easy example was the lack of sidewalks along Brighton Blvd - but they had to wait for the street redesign to be finalized before determining sidewalks. This was easily a dozen-year project from conception to completion.

Side note:
Given March is high season in the desert I'm having a ball chauffeuring visitors wherever they wish while making over $35/hour. It's a good, fun Gig for me for now.

[bunt_q]

Originally Posted by bulldurhamer

the sidewalks are a disaster. 100 years old.

https://www.denvergov.org/content/dam/de...am/documents/NSRP-Sidewalk-DIY-Guide.pdf

the city tells you to fix them yourself, no matter that you are probably looking at 100 year old sandstone slabs. good luck with that.

yes, people walk, and yes, the sidewalks are getting worse each year. there's also the whole inclusivity thing, you know? we should all get to use the sidewalks. this should really be a top priority and clearly it's not. that wheelchair bound councilman should have hunger strike or something to draw attention to this until it's taken seriously

So nothing from Council... but there are plans afoot to put a citizens ordinance initiative on the November ballot to create a permanent sidewalk fund for construction, maintenance, and reconstruction that would cover the whole city. I do not think it's gone public quite yet - but talk to the Denver Streets Partnership - and sign the ballot petition when you see it around later this spring/summer!

[SirLucasTheGreat]

Anybody see whether 1900 Lawrence or Amacon have broken ground this week? I think there was a strong chance for either of them

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by SirLucasTheGreat

Anybody see whether 1900 Lawrence or Amacon have broken ground this week? I think there was a strong chance for either of them

Nope.

[TakeFive]

So Long, San Fran, LA, NYC, Seattle and D.C. — Hello Miami, Phoenix, Tampa, Sacramento and Vegas!

It's entirely possible some of these migrants will visit Colorado/Denver along the way and end up staying.



Maroon Bells

Note: Anyone who has not yet hiked up to the Maroon Bells needs to shove this to the top of their bucket list.

[Arapahoe]

Originally Posted by TakeFive

So Long, San Fran, LA, NYC, Seattle and D.C. — Hello Miami, Phoenix, Tampa, Sacramento and Vegas!

guess I'm one of these migrants. Sold Denver (not even a full day on the market with multiple offers over listing)

I still will be a lurker on the board, curious how things turn out. I thought conditions were deteriorating enough that I wasn't enjoying the city environment as much anymore.

Moved to Cleveland and had my pick of any neighborhood. Ended up with a newish townhouse next to Lake Erie and a fantastic street car neighborhood with restaurants, theaters and breweries. No more daily encounters with homeless, drug addicts, and vandalism. Plus the price differential was like winning the lottery in free cash.

Cleveland has amazing big city amenities even though they are pretty small market. Some parts of the city are growing again and its really cool seeing the old industrial core with massive bridges and steel mills. Cost of living seems quite a bit less. ($6 brews!)

I found their version of Denver Infill, and lots of exciting projects in the works. The tallest building under constructions is 616'. The tallest existing building is 888' - the Key Tower.

Still hope Denver thrives!

[CONative]

Originally Posted by Arapahoe

guess I'm one of these migrants. Sold Denver (not even a full day on the market with multiple offers over listing)

I still will be a lurker on the board, curious how things turn out. I thought conditions were deteriorating enough that I wasn't enjoying the city environment as much anymore.

Moved to Cleveland and had my pick of any neighborhood. Ended up with a newish townhouse next to Lake Erie and a fantastic street car neighborhood with restaurants, theaters and breweries. No more daily encounters with homeless, drug addicts, and vandalism. Plus the price differential was like winning the lottery in free cash.

Cleveland has amazing big city amenities even though they are pretty small market. Some parts of the city are growing again and its really cool seeing the old industrial core with massive bridges and steel mills. Cost of living seems quite a bit less. ($6 brews!)

I found their version of Denver Infill, and lots of exciting projects in the works. The tallest building under constructions is 616'. The tallest existing building is 888' - the Key Tower.

Still hope Denver thrives!

Funny that you say this....since one of my friends just moved back to Denver from Cleveland....saying that it's getting bad there and wanted to come back. Knew it was more expensive here, but worth it in culture and weather that will not change. Said the weather there is just miserable. I told him about the uptick and crime and other issues lately in Denver -- and he said Cleveland has the same latest issues and that it's all part of a cycle. Reminded me that the late 80's/early 90's Denver was not fun, but it became one of THE destinations not long after and has been for a long period. I have been to Cleveland a few times -- and my impression was that it's depressing as a whole. I did like that 888' tower though. It seems a lot of folks are moving from their cities to escape something they aren't happy with -- only to find that the grass isn't as green as they thought -- with the same or other issues awaiting them. I just sold my 1.2m house to buy a new-build 800k house and downsize in Denver. New buyers of my house hate Florida and want a change. Betcha they don't realize that Denver has some issues right now too. They are so excited about the Denver lifestyle, but they are likely just swapping problems for other problems. What's funny about my friend that moved back is that he was bragging SOO much about moving to Cleveland 5 years ago -- with the amount of trees, lower cost of living, being close to the water, easier to get to cities nearby, even being near Cedar Point etc. Told him he will be back when he is done convincing himself. Now he is back. I DO get the want/need to move due to prices though....until some can't stand it anymore.

[gopokes21]

Originally Posted by CONative

Funny that you say this....since one of my friends just moved back to Denver from Cleveland....saying that it's getting bad there and wanted to come back. Knew it was more expensive here, but worth it in culture and weather that will not change. Said the weather there is just miserable. I told him about the uptick and crime and other issues lately in Denver -- and he said Cleveland has the same latest issues and that it's all part of a cycle. Reminded me that the late 80's/early 90's Denver was not fun, but it became one of THE destinations not long after and has been for a long period. I have been to Cleveland a few times -- and my impression was that it's depressing as a whole. I did like that 888' tower though. It seems a lot of folks are moving from their cities to escape something they aren't happy with -- only to find that the grass isn't as green as they thought -- with the same or other issues awaiting them. I just sold my 1.2m house to buy a new-build 800k house and downsize in Denver. New buyers of my house hate Florida and want a change. Betcha they don't realize that Denver has some issues right now too. They are so excited about the Denver lifestyle, but they are likely just swapping problems for other problems. What's funny about my friend that moved back is that he was bragging SOO much about moving to Cleveland 5 years ago -- with the amount of trees, lower cost of living, being close to the water, easier to get to cities nearby, even being near Cedar Point etc. Told him he will be back when he is done convincing himself. Now he is back. I DO get the want/need to move due to prices though....until some can't stand it anymore.

Why would you shitpost Cleveland in such extensive detail? Why do people on this board feel the urge to put down other cities besides their own?

I've noticed a lot of Miami people moving to Denver lately, which is funny, because I think Miami is where I want to go next. Many people frequently just want a nice change of pace every decade or so. Denver and Miami, or Cleveland, offer that for each other. All great cities. I'm bullish on what Denver is doing, but that story of an emergent urban cornucopia is hardly unique.

[mhays]

There's definitely something attractive about moving to a cheaper city. I don't plan to do it, but I can daydream looking at the difference in condo prices! The "lottery" win sounds awesome.

I've spent very little time in Cleveland but also look at its local board and SSP threads sometimes. It looks like it's on an upswing in key areas. I also like the river/industrial vibe. (PS, Edgewater Park sounds like your description?)

[TakeFive]

Who Wouldathunk - the responses

Arapahoe - Sorry to see you go but best of luck (I wondered what had happened to you). Funny story...

I pick up this elementary school teacher and her 'boxes' of homework; it was late like after 10:00 pm and gave her a long ride home. Turns out her family was from Cleveland and her Dad took her to her only NFL football game. She still remembers "The Drive" from 1986 AFC Championship Game; her Dad was crushed.

The Drive:

Broncos quarterback John Elway, in a span of 5 minutes and 2 seconds, led his team 98 yards in 15 plays to tie the game with 37 seconds left in regulation. Denver won the game in overtime by making a 33-yard field goal, pulling off a 23–20 win over the Cleveland Browns.

Earlier in the evening I picked up two couples and asked them if they were Sun's fans; I didn't realize they were visiting and they said "Nope; we're Nuggets fans." Asked them where they lived; they said "Downtown Denver." Asked them on what street; they said Broadway; asked them for a cross-street; they said near I-25. So I said you're near the light rail station, then? They said they enjoy using it.

Ohio has done a great job of retooling their 'Rustbelt' background and reputation. FWIW, a lot of eastern Europeans live in Ohio. Cleveland with its industrial roots will have both good and bad and as everywhere is changing there will always be pluses and minuses.

[Arapahoe]

Originally Posted by mhays

There's definitely something attractive about moving to a cheaper city. I don't plan to do it, but I can daydream looking at the difference in condo prices! The "lottery" win sounds awesome.

I've spent very little time in Cleveland but also look at its local board and SSP threads sometimes. It looks like it's on an upswing in key areas. I also like the river/industrial vibe. (PS, Edgewater Park sounds like your description?)
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wow...thats dead-on, you know Cleveland! Love walking right down to the lake and having access to all that green space, beach and marina. The Gordon Square/Ohio City restaurants are fantastic, and an amazing value.

I get the climate trade. On the positive, tons of fresh water and real big storms. I love that stuff -- even lake effect snow.

Sure giving up mountains, but lets be honest, mountains are an hour plus of I-70 traffic hell from Denver and the lake Erie is 5 minutes on a pedestrian walkway.

btw, Ohioans are extremely friendly!

Anyway will surely miss all the energy of Denver. Hope the city center turns a corner on the issues effecting so much of the country right now.

[bulldurhamer]

Originally Posted by Arapahoe

wow...thats dead-on, you know Cleveland! Love walking right down to the lake and having access to all that green space, beach and marina. The Gordon Square/Ohio City restaurants are fantastic, and an amazing value.

I get the climate trade. On the positive, tons of fresh water and real big storms. I love that stuff -- even lake effect snow.

Sure giving up mountains, but lets be honest, mountains are an hour plus of I-70 traffic hell from Denver and the lake Erie is 5 minutes on a pedestrian walkway.

btw, Ohioans are extremely friendly!

Anyway will surely miss all the energy of Denver. Hope the city center turns a corner on the issues effecting so much of the country right now.

As someone living in the neighborhoods near downtown in the shadows of dozens of cranes and overflowing bars and restaurants, i can confidently say that the demise of downtown denver has been greatly exaggerated. We have construction everywhere, infrastructure investment everywhere you look, and a massively popular tourist destination. I understand housing costs are up but that’s really not isolated to denver is it?

Anyway, what im reading about denver doesn’t really match up with reality. Like the guy who said park hill wanst good enough so he wanted a cul de sac life. Lol.

Denver is thriving. The hate is ridiculous.

[PLANSIT]

Originally Posted by Arapahoe

guess I'm one of these migrants. Sold Denver (not even a full day on the market with multiple offers over listing)

I still will be a lurker on the board, curious how things turn out. I thought conditions were deteriorating enough that I wasn't enjoying the city environment as much anymore.

Moved to Cleveland and had my pick of any neighborhood. Ended up with a newish townhouse next to Lake Erie and a fantastic street car neighborhood with restaurants, theaters and breweries. No more daily encounters with homeless, drug addicts, and vandalism. Plus the price differential was like winning the lottery in free cash.

Cleveland has amazing big city amenities even though they are pretty small market. Some parts of the city are growing again and its really cool seeing the old industrial core with massive bridges and steel mills. Cost of living seems quite a bit less. ($6 brews!)

I found their version of Denver Infill, and lots of exciting projects in the works. The tallest building under constructions is 616'. The tallest existing building is 888' - the Key Tower.

Still hope Denver thrives!

We left Denver last Spring after 10 years and are back in OKC. A number of factors contributed to us leaving (affordability, pandemic babies, family, etc.), but doing so opened up a lot of opportunities financially. So far, the pros have outweighed the cons (for us). We still get to ride our bikes and walk to amenities (except when it's 100+ out). Transit is awful, but working to make better.

I absolutely LOVE Denver and spent the last 10 years working for the City to try and make it better (not sure if I succeeded or not). We miss it a lot.

[twister244]

Originally Posted by PLANSIT

We left Denver last Spring after 10 years and are back in OKC. A number of factors contributed to us leaving (affordability, pandemic babies, family, etc.), but doing so opened up a lot of opportunities financially. So far, the pros have outweighed the cons (for us). We still get to ride our bikes and walk to amenities (except when it's 100+ out). Transit is awful, but working to make better.

I absolutely LOVE Denver and spent the last 10 years working for the City to try and make it better (not sure if I succeeded or not). We miss it a lot.

For me it was the real estate costs......

There were other factors (not a super hardcore outdoorsy person, love water, single, etc). But..... Denver has just gotten insanely expensive for what it is, to me at least.

Other people feel differently, and that's fine.