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Old Posted Mar 4, 2022, 5:30 AM
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Blah_Amazing, I'm a little confused. Could you please clarify the changes in this post from a few months ago? I had assumed from your previous photos and the various information sources that the construction of both the Slate and Sydney, which are neighbors was well underway. Is it that the 'Darlene' is what is under construction and simply replaced the Sydney?
No, I don't believe that is the Darlene under construction in my photos, since they only filed with the city this week for the Darlene. Urban Alfandre definitely started work on both The Slate and The Sydney, as the photos show.

For whatever reason, they seemed to proceed with The Slate but stopped work on The Sydney. It could be because, as mstar mentioned, there was a lot of cleanup work to be done for The Sydney's site due to it being the location of the drycleaners (the one that burned down) and Urban Alfandre may have found it too expensive, difficult, or time consuming to fully deal with. Especially with the other projects they were working on (the recently blocked Pacific Yard project is also theirs). Though that is just speculation.

If I remember correctly, I do believe I had posted last year that The Sydney was listed on Crexi or loopnet, but I had assumed it was a mistake. It seems that Urban Alfandre sold the property and the plans to CW Urban, who made some changes to the design and unit makeup, giving us The Darlene in The Sydney's place.
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2022, 9:10 AM
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Wow, I missed quite the um...interesting discussion the last few days.

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Well that’s wonderful that’s you’re busy on saturdays! I think having people downtown is great!
What I’m saying is that with this large influx in residents, one would THINK you would see these people out and about. There just aren’t the bodies on the street that you would expect with the rise in residents.
I’m wondering where all these people are? Are the numbers inflated? Have speculators purchased these units? What is being seen on the ground do not match what we know from population numbers. Something doesn't pass the sniff test here and it's really quite bizarre. It's the same thing in SugarHell. It's super densely populated.... but where are the people? They aren't out on the streets walking around.

All I'm saying it something doesn't jibe between the number of apartments that are apparently full and the lack of street activity.
Honestly I think it's just that downtown isn't as populated as you think. It's still pretty sparsely populated compared to a lot of other downtowns.

That said, my experience doesn't fully align with yours. Yeah, Salt Lake City's streets are not poppin most of the time, but I see a decent amount of people if you're in the right locations.

Liberty Sky, the Capitol Theater, Worthington, Kensington....this is the residential density that should bring more vibrancy to downtown and more people on the streets in the next 5 years or so, plus whatever other high rise apartment buildings come around in that time. Salt Lake City is only JUST experiencing its high-rise residential boom.
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I’ll preface by saying there is a lot of construction currently going on and in the pipeline that I am excited about. With that in mind I wish Salt Lake would build towers of this height…looking at you Main Street tower (see second post in link provided below). I like the Main Street tower design more than the tower in the link, but don’t understand why Main Street is not taller. SLC downtown is much smaller than Denver’s, but that doesn’t mean SLC can’t be like Austin who’s csa population is smaller than SLC but they seem to strive for building up more. I follow Denver development closely and they probably have around 30 or so 10-30 story buildings proposed to be constructed. That doesn’t include some of the bigger projects like the one in the link. With the housing crisis and so many people moving to SLC I don’t see any good reason why we can’t be developing up at a similar rate. I know this is the best it’s ever been development wise in SLC, and I’m happy about that. I just feel we could still up our game a bit given how many people want to live in SLC. When’s the last time we had a new tower proposed outside of the west quarter? It’s easily been 6+ months. Shouldn’t be the case given the demand. With the world turmoil going on I know there are material supply issues, but if other cities like Denver are still developing at a greater clip (see rino north development on the DenverInfill website) then we should be able to as well. Reading my own writing here I know I come off as a whiny little….fill in the blank…but I envision and want more for SLC where I’ve made my home. That’s all. I am very happy about Astra, convexity, west quarter, Main Street, and the west temple buildings soon to be constructed. Just am wondering why some are not taller, and why we do not have more proposals for 10-30 story mid-sized buildings.

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I’ll preface by saying there is a lot of construction currently going on and in the pipeline that I am excited about. With that in mind I wish Salt Lake would build towers of this height…looking at you Main Street tower (see second post in link provided below). I like the Main Street tower design more than the tower in the link, but don’t understand why Main Street is not taller. SLC downtown is much smaller than Denver’s, but that doesn’t mean SLC can’t be like Austin who’s csa population is smaller than SLC but they seem to strive for building up more.
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227316&page=619
I really like the current theatre tower proposal but I agree that it would be more remarkable if it was 100-200 ft taller. What's interesting is that it will have 400 units while this new Denver apartment tower you are talking about (see rendering below), which is 573 ft tall, will only have 342 units. I wonder if that is because the base is smaller and/or the unit size mixture is substantially different.

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A rendering of the proposed tower planned for 650 17th Street:



Per BusinessDen, Greystar is the proposed developer and the architect is Ziegler Cooper. 342 units are proposed. 573 feet in height.
It seems like there are a lot of new office towers in Austin and Nashville (despite the pandemic) while in SLC there's just 95 State, 650 Main, and Sundial. Maybe if the state hadn't incentivized tech companies to locate in Lehi, and if SLC's zoning had been a bit more liberal with height restrictions, we'd be seeing a bigger downtown boom.
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2022, 6:07 PM
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Atlas - you make some good points. Not incentivizing tech companies downtown and the height restrictions have undoubtedly hindered some development downtown. For as much as I’ve complained I do like the Main Street tower design. It will look real nice. I’m greedy and want some more height. I read in the SLC tribune they are trying to incentivize biomedical industry. Maybe Sears block will put up some buildings of decent height if the city planners get over their pyramid height obsession.

That is strange the Denver tower has less units. Could be the base like you pointed out or maybe it’s a luxury tower since they have a ton of other 10-30 story buildings going up.
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From what I heard they started gutting out the inside of the theater almost immediately without actually doing the demo. Now there is nothing left to be saved and no legit argument can be made… kind of a situation where “what’s done is done”… just a rumor though. Not sure if it’s 100% accurate or not.
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2022, 6:28 PM
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Yeah I am very curious what the plan is for the Sears Block. With the city's emphasis on biomedical industry and IHC's need for a new hospital, I think the stars might align and produce something good. Dream scenario would be a hospital+research complex with a couple 15-20 story towers, but I won't get my hopes up too much.

Obvious romantic lighting aside, one thing I love about this rendering is the apparent linear lighting features that outline the 21st floor balcony (and roof) and run down the side of the building. I really hope that is part of the lighting plan for the building because SLC has nothing like that right now.

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Old Posted Mar 4, 2022, 6:30 PM
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From what I heard they started gutting out the inside of the theater almost immediately without actually doing the demo. Now there is nothing left to be saved and no legit argument can be made… kind of a situation where “what’s done is done”… just a rumor though. Not sure if it’s 100% accurate or not.
I saw some guys in white hazmat looking suits doing work on the roof of the buildings fronting main street this morning. Things are happening.
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I haven't logged in here for a while. I apparently missed a lot of conversation.

I was downtown last night for dinner and beers and it was crazy busy. There were people everywhere. I had to wait 45 minutes for a table, I think it just depends on the night. Downtown has gained almost 10,000 residents in the last 10 years but I assume people are like me...during the week I rarely leave my house.

I've heard that Alfandre is trying to sell their other site in the Central Ninth neighborhood. It may have just turned into a project that was too large for them to finance and/or complete.

The city in the D-1 zone has no maximum height requirements. The ordinance states that anything over 375' needs to go through Design Review because of the impact a building of that height would make on the downtown skyline. They have never rejected an application based on height. The restriction is not the reason that we don't have taller buildings downtown. What SLC requires to go through an approval process is far more liberal than most large cities including Denver, Austin, Seattle, Nashville, etc. I know because when I was an employee there I did the research myself.

I've been in the Utah Theater a few times myself. There are some cool elements but it's a mess and I'm surprised that what remains hasn't completely collapsed on itself. It's too bad that the passion we see today wasn't present a few decades ago when it may have been easier to resurrect. The city doesn't even own it any longer. I think it's days are done.
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The city in the D-1 zone has no maximum height requirements.
I was referring to the Depot District specifically, where we know that we have lost at least one tech company to Draper/Lehi because of the max height restrictions.

My hope is that the Depot District's height limits can be relaxed in conjunction with the Rio Grande Plan so that we end up with a district that looks like the TOD northwest of Denver's Union Station:


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Everything below Union Station in that photo was built in the last 10 years.
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I think we are getting closer to having taller towers proposed and developed. This is based partially on rumors I have heard and also a bit of recent history.

We need to remember that SLC has only recently joined the highrise apartment market and is really only just about a decade into downtown residential revival. City Creek and its development have showed that there is a desire for downtown living but didn't include many apartments as no one really knew if there would be much demand for them. Even the Condos that were built were done based on speculation that they may be desired.

The City Creek apartments showed an increased demand for apartments in the downtown area. This helped to spawn the apartment boom downtown and the periphery. Even with this push, we have seen a gradual change from 4 story apartments, to the fairly standard 5 over 2, to the coming 5 over 3 and even taller projects.

We are nearing the opening of the tallest of the apartment projects in Liberty Sky. As of now, there really is only speculation that people would live in taller apartment buildings in Salt Lake City. While it is a safe bet, no one really knows how well they will be received.

I personally think we are only a couple of years away from having taller residential towers proposed and developed.

Outside of residential, the Cities push for BioTech and Tech will help to drive both Office and Lab space construction. If the "return to office" process goes well, we can also expect more office project announcements in the near future.

Even with all the changes the city has seen in the last 15 years, I think the city will see an even bigger change over the next 5-7 years.
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Makid - the historical context of SLC downtown is important and you’re right SLC downtown revitalization is still in it’s infancy so to speak. Rumors of taller buildings on the horizon is exciting. I hope and think you’re right that bigger changes are yet to come.
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Denver’s Union Station turned out great. I think if Hatmans vision is adopted we will have something similar in the future.
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Crazy idea for the developer:

Propose building a replica of the Utah Theater in the basement of the new highrise?

Would that appease both sides?
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Commercial Demolition - La France Apartments

https://citizenportal.slcgov.com/Citizen...38&agencyCode=SLCREF&IsToShowInspection=

I don't know it has been mentioned yet on here, but commercial demolition permits have been filed for the La France Apartments.

This, of course, will be replaced (along with other Greek Orthodox Church property) by the 'Holy Trinity' project.



I am hoping we will get updated renderings and plans for the sites soon.

This is one of the projects I am personally most excited for!




This and the West Quarter development in the block directly north are going to utterly change the west side of Downtown forever.

West Quarter (block directly north)


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I think we are getting closer to having taller towers proposed and developed. This is based partially on rumors I have heard and also a bit of recent history.

We need to remember that SLC has only recently joined the highrise apartment market and is really only just about a decade into downtown residential revival. City Creek and its development have showed that there is a desire for downtown living but didn't include many apartments as no one really knew if there would be much demand for them. Even the Condos that were built were done based on speculation that they may be desired.

The City Creek apartments showed an increased demand for apartments in the downtown area. This helped to spawn the apartment boom downtown and the periphery. Even with this push, we have seen a gradual change from 4 story apartments, to the fairly standard 5 over 2, to the coming 5 over 3 and even taller projects.

We are nearing the opening of the tallest of the apartment projects in Liberty Sky. As of now, there really is only speculation that people would live in taller apartment buildings in Salt Lake City. While it is a safe bet, no one really knows how well they will be received.

I personally think we are only a couple of years away from having taller residential towers proposed and developed.

Outside of residential, the Cities push for BioTech and Tech will help to drive both Office and Lab space construction. If the "return to office" process goes well, we can also expect more office project announcements in the near future.

Even with all the changes the city has seen in the last 15 years, I think the city will see an even bigger change over the next 5-7 years.
Part of the reason why I created the 'decade' chart for the Wikipedia page was to offer perspective on the timing of our tower building.



So far, the 2020s have seen 2 towers over 50 meters completed, Liberty Sky and 95 South State.

We have 3 towers over 50 meters now under construction:


As well as 9 towers over 50 meters that are proposed:


To put our current tower building into perspective: with just the towers we have so far completed or have started construction, the 2020s would tie with the 1970s for second place in tower building with 5 towers added to the skyline.

When we add the 9 proposed towers, that lifts the 2020s to 14 towers - surpassing the 1980s (11 towers) as the most towers added for Salt Lake City in a given decade.

And that basically brings us just to the middle of the decade.

The 2020s are going to easily be the best tower building decade in the city's history. Easily. We really are on the cusp of a massive change in the city, without even considering the hundreds of low and midrise projects that will go up this decade.
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I was referring to the Depot District specifically, where we know that we have lost at least one tech company to Draper/Lehi because of the max height restrictions.

My hope is that the Depot District's height limits can be relaxed in conjunction with the Rio Grande Plan so that we end up with a district that looks like the TOD northwest of Denver's Union Station:


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Everything below Union Station in that photo was built in the last 10 years.
100% agree. Downtown Salt Lake City needs the room and the freedom to expand, or our tower building spree will end by the 2030s with nowhere left to go.
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I think that's my biggest complaint about downtown: once you get off Main and State Street, it does not feel like a major metro's downtown anymore. It's small, spotty, wide and flat.

It's definitely better than it was a decade ago - but that isn't saying much. I am hopeful the development around the Viv can continue to push growth in that area but yes, it's vital downtown start expanding west/southwest - as well as looking further south to around 800 South. I'd love to see some towers on the Sears block - as well as the block west of it. Especially these blocks:

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Thanks Paniolo Man for posting the updates of the new TRAX Station on Main. It was also great to see the construction progress 6th and Main on the right has made since the last updates. I'm hoping to see those two new towers just up the street start this coming Summer. Would like to see Little America redevelop some of the perimeters of their property someday in the not too distant future. While I think it's a great Hotel, it would be nice if a little attention were taken away from the current tower and placed on the very underdeveloped northwest corner of 6th and Main. There's a lot of unrealized potential on that Little America blocks perimeters. Of course, the watch on the old Newhouse property continues. I guess at least it's heavily landscaped and not just barren blacktop, weeds, and trash.


Downtown Update - New TRAX Station on 600 South & Main St.

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...Now, in a significant southward extension of the urban core, developers are building aggressively in that south-central downtown neighborhood, with at least five-plus major office and residential projects proposed or underway nearby.

And recognizing the financial potential of thousands of TRAX passengers flowing through the area daily, those developers appear willing to pay up to $1.36 million to make the station happen.

RDA Chief Operating Officer Danny Walz said the station also will be “a huge benefit to anyone who develops after the fact.”...Salt Lake Tribune - https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/12/09/salt-lake-city-moves/




August 7, 2021

Construction of 600 Main on the left, new 600 S. TRAX Station at the center, and 650 Main on the right.

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August 21, 2021




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September 20, 2021
TRAX Station Artwork


...With this exciting new TRAX station, a new captivating public artwork will be unveiled. Jiyoun Lee-Lodge’s (she/her/hers) The Crossing was recommended by the Salt Lake City Arts Council’s Art Design Board for commission and approved by Mayor Erin Mendenhall. This station’s construction is the product of a public-private partnership that includes local developers, the Utah Transit Authority (UTA), and the Redevelopment Agency (RDA) of Salt Lake City and will serve a rapidly growing part of the city.

The Crossing consists of two eight-foot by twelve-foot steel sculptures intersecting at an angle. These two pieces are separated by a portal – a breach that invites station users to walk around and in-between each of the sculptures. The Korean-born, Salt Lake City, Utah based artist created a design that evokes the fluidity of water, which serves as a touching reference to the transient nature of the TRAX station, public transportation users, and the neighborhood in which its located.

According to the artist, “The Crossing illustrates water spreading out so people can pass through.” The open door in the artist’s design symbolizes the ever-changing nature of our City – a hub that is constantly changing and evolving. Further, Lee-Lodge writes, “The sculpture invites viewers to notice the emergent, water-like qualities of many aspects of Salt Lake City and Utah: it asks the viewer to consider the ways that people, as individuals and as communities, move like water in this place, with swells that carry new futures and possibilities.” Throughout the steel panels, Lee integrates colorful, egg-shaped floating orbs indicating new, exciting, and unknown possibilities. The Crossing is designed to complement and augment the experience of those engaged in this space, in addition to invigorating this rapidly changing mid-town neighborhood with public art.

The Crossing joins an invigorating collection of existing artworks located in UTA transit stations throughout Salt Lake City...
Full Article @ https://saltlakearts.org/2021/08/30/jiyoun-lee-lodge-the-crossing/

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More info here: https://saltlakearts.org/2021/08/30/jiyoun-lee-lodge-the-crossing/



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Some updates on the 650 South Station.




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I think that's my biggest complaint about downtown: once you get off Main and State Street, it does not feel like a major metro's downtown anymore. It's small, spotty, wide and flat.

It's definitely better than it was a decade ago - but that isn't saying much. I am hopeful the development around the Viv can continue to push growth in that area but yes, it's vital downtown start expanding west/southwest - as well as looking further south to around 800 South. I'd love to see some towers on the Sears block - as well as the block west of it. Especially these blocks:

I agree completely. Like I said a few pages back, SLC has a wonderful Main Street that is as good as any street in a place like Denver. However, unlike Denver (which has many great urban streets), the urbanity in SLC quickly falls off when you move away from Main. 100 years ago, there was a solid core surrounding Main but it was largely demolished in the late 20th Century for parking and the like. Only recently have the "missing teeth" begun to fill back in and a few other streets are starting to become more vibrant again. 200S, in particular, has a ton of potential. With the West Quarter, Hyatt Regency, Holy Trinity, Astra, Regent Street tower, Zephyr Lofts, and RIO on the horizon, as well as the forthcoming streetscaping and transit improvements, I think 200S is primed to reassert itself as the second-best thoroughfare in SLC after Main. I wish we were getting a 200S streetcar but alas.

Could we get an updated version of this view, Orlando?

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