PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by Vince_

It's a great idea and a little less complicated than 8th and Market with ample empty lots around for parking. If anyone should push for it, it's PREIT because it would transform the Fashion District overnight into the best spot for before game / after game crowds. I'd imagine they could pivot some empty space into sports bars / beer gardens etc. Obviously Septa should push for it as well because it would be a big boost for regional rail and BSL Spur (MFL is always crowded but this wouldn't hurt either).

There's great options out there I just doubt the city's leadership and Sixers willingness to spend their own money. The city needs to realize that there's a real threat of them moving to Camden and having a downtown stadium is a great asset for a city. Think about the area around 8th and Market on a Tuesday at 9 PM...it's pretty desolate and kind of sketchy. Now imagine there's 18,000 people going to a Sixers game or concert...

Some of us were pushing this months ago as "Franklin Square Garden." You are absolutely right about the boost to Gallery: The Sequel.

[SouthCentralPA]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Permits Issued For Renovation And Expansion At Engine 29 Firehouse At 1221-25 North 4th Street In Olde Kensington

Love the reuse of this one. Beautiful old building.

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by SouthCentralPA

Love the reuse of this one. Beautiful old building.

What's interesting too is that the architect involved is based next door to the firehouse.

https://www.continuum-architecture.com/

[TonyTone]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Permits Issued For 150-Unit Mixed-Use Building At 2400-12 East Huntingdon Street In Olde Richmond

Current site:


Aerial of current site:


Aerial Rendering:


Rendering:


Read/view more here:
https://phillyyimby.com/2021/11/permits-...-huntingdon-street-in-olde-richmond.html

I did not expect the next set of pictures, all I can say is wow.

Thats a good build, I actually like the color scheme of it even though they are using some of that great sheetmetal.

Projects like this help with the density & make the neighborhood lively.

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by Vince_

It's a great idea and a little less complicated than 8th and Market with ample empty lots around for parking. If anyone should push for it, it's PREIT because it would transform the Fashion District overnight into the best spot for before game / after game crowds. I'd imagine they could pivot some empty space into sports bars / beer gardens etc. Obviously Septa should push for it as well because it would be a big boost for regional rail and BSL Spur (MFL is always crowded but this wouldn't hurt either).

There's great options out there I just doubt the city's leadership and Sixers willingness to spend their own money. The city needs to realize that there's a real threat of them moving to Camden and having a downtown stadium is a great asset for a city. Think about the area around 8th and Market on a Tuesday at 9 PM...it's pretty desolate and kind of sketchy. Now imagine there's 18,000 people going to a Sixers game or concert...

I've seen every site they were considering as of about 18 months ago. There is no real threat of them moving to Camden, they are not even considering it. They want to be in center city.

I agree a downtown arena could be useful and serve a purpose, but to the extent it is an asset to the city it is not worth sinking city money into it.

[Mayormccheese]

Originally Posted by allovertown

I've seen every site they were considering as of about 18 months ago. There is no real threat of them moving to Camden, they are not even considering it. They want to be in center city.

I agree a downtown arena could be useful and serve a purpose, but to the extent it is an asset to the city it is not worth sinking city money into it.

Where in Center City were they looking?

[cardeza]

FYI, the penns landing cap project is slated to bid next September. PennDOT Is pretty good at coming close to their planned bid let dates.

https://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/Burea...ed_12-Month_Letting_Reports/letschdl.pdf

[arkitect13]

Bid? So they choose the construction company next year? That feels like a long time considering they have near final designs

[thoughtcriminal]

Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

It hasn't been decided if we're hosting World Cup games or not yet. July 2026 is the 250-year anniversary of U.S. independence though so we really ought to get some games. But it's not a given since the U.S. is going to have 12 host cities, and in the northeast I suspect the committee will choose three of Boston, NYC, Philly, and DC... NYC is almost a given, and for geographic and money reasons I could see why they might be tempted to pick DC and Boston instead of Philly. I'd be surprised if all four are selected. But 2026 - especially July when the games are - really should put the spotlight on Philly and our history so it would be very disappointing if we're not selected.

I think just the opposite; soccer has a culture of fans travelling to go to games. It's part of the experience. I would think the clustering of sites would be an advantage, especially for Philly which is basically in the middle and easily accessible to all three other cities. Four, if Baltimore is being considered.

[Vince_]

Originally Posted by thoughtcriminal

I think just the opposite; soccer has a culture of fans travelling to go to games. It's part of the experience. I would think the clustering of sites would be an advantage, especially for Philly which is basically in the middle and easily accessible to all three other cities.

Philly better have a game. Especially when you consider where those other Northeast stadiums are. The World Cup is not like an NFL game. They are international fans who are staying at hotels, they don't have access to cars. So Boston has an isolated stadium in Foxboro 45 minutes away from Boston. DC's stadium is in Landover Maryland about 35 minutes away and 2 trains. NYC's stadium is East Rutherford New Jersey. MetLife stadium can take anywhere from 30 to an hour to get from Manhattan and about 45 minutes on the train. The Linc is a 12 minute subway ride (with double level platforms at NRG) from thousands of hotel rooms and right next to the airport. There's some other cities with more downtown locations for football stadiums (Seattle, Minneapolis, Charlotte, Detroit) but no one would really host besides Seattle.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by CleetMcDougle

Next, the building posted here not long ago on Frankford and Norris. outside work looks done, and the sidewalk is finally back open. I think it looks great!

This does look nice. Damn shame the opposite corner was ruined.

[summersm343]

Rivers Casino Will Lose Some Parking as Delaware Waterfront Picks Up Some Residents

Current site at 933 N. Penn Street:


Aerial of the site:


Aerial rendering (building on the left):


Rendering from Penn Street:


Rendering from the River:


Read/view more here:
https://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/n...aware-waterfront-picks-up-some-residents

[summersm343]

67-Unit Building Planned at 6327 Musgrave Street in East Germantown

Current site:


Rendering:


Read/view more here:
http://www.rising.realestate/67-unit-building-planned-in-east-mount-airy/

[summersm343]

Completion Approaches For Ten-Unit Mixed-Use Condo Development At 1801 Fairmount Avenue In Francisville







Read/view more here:
https://phillyyimby.com/2021/11/1801-fairmount-avenue-in-francisville-north-philadelphia.html

[summersm343]

Construction Nears Finish At The Block At SoNo At 456 North 5th Street





Read/view more here:
https://phillyyimby.com/2021/11/construc...th-5th-street-in-northern-liberties.html

[summersm343]

How Bartram’s Mile is turning a vacant riverbank into accessible greenspace



Read/view more here:
https://www.thegreencities.com/philly/ho...KEXIRcBz8Rwqhy0OXDebyvCuEEkAxyvFmMOflC40

[cardeza]

Originally Posted by arkitect13

Bid? So they choose the construction company next year? That feels like a long time considering they have near final designs

yes bid. It will probably take another 2-3 months from that point to have a contract awarded.

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by cardeza

yes bid. It will probably take another 2-3 months from that point to have a contract awarded.

...and then what?

[thoughtcriminal]

Originally Posted by Vince_

Philly better have a game.

Host cities would get multiple games. There will be 80 matches in the 2026 tournament, played in 16 cities. that averages to 5 matches per city.

Originally Posted by Vince_

Especially when you consider where those other Northeast stadiums are. The World Cup is not like an NFL game. They are international fans who are staying at hotels, they don't have access to cars.

Why wouldn't they have access to cars? international travelers rent cars and use Uber.
Philly's access to the Linc is definitely better than the other cities access to their stadiums, but let's not think that travelers can *only* use trains to get there. Trains may be preferred, but let's not overstate it.

Originally Posted by Vince_

The Linc is a 12 minute subway ride (with double level platforms at NRG)

I wish septa would use that lower platform for its original intended purpose, which was to have additional trains serve super-crowded events in the complex. But that lower platform has not been used for that in a very long time, has been a storage area for decades. Maybe they would activate it for the World Cup, but I doubt it. I hope I'm wrong about that. And as long as they're at it, they should renovate the station so that it does not look like a time capsule from 1973.

[Boku]

Originally Posted by Vince_

Philly better have a game. Especially when you consider where those other Northeast stadiums are. The World Cup is not like an NFL game. They are international fans who are staying at hotels, they don't have access to cars. So Boston has an isolated stadium in Foxboro 45 minutes away from Boston. DC's stadium is in Landover Maryland about 35 minutes away and 2 trains. NYC's stadium is East Rutherford New Jersey. MetLife stadium can take anywhere from 30 to an hour to get from Manhattan and about 45 minutes on the train. The Linc is a 12 minute subway ride (with double level platforms at NRG) from thousands of hotel rooms and right next to the airport. There's some other cities with more downtown locations for football stadiums (Seattle, Minneapolis, Charlotte, Detroit) but no one would really host besides Seattle.

You're forgetting the most important consideration when it comes to FIFA bosses, which is who bribes schmoozes them the most.

Also, good encapsulation of Philly's problems here: https://www.inquirer.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup-2026-philadelphia-20210922.html

The first locks are New York/New Jersey and Los Angeles, one of which will host the final. Then comes Miami, unparalleled in its cultural influences from South and Central America — media, sports, banking, and more.

Up next are stadiums with retractable roofs, meaning air-conditioned games can be played in afternoons there for prime time in Europe. Enter Dallas, Atlanta, and Houston.

Now add the San Francisco Bay Area (Santa Clara, officially) and Seattle to make a pod of western cities and shorten travel times for teams, which is understandably a FIFA priority.

That’s eight out of 10 spots taken before any consideration of the remaining northeastern contenders: Washington D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Boston. Or the other cities in the running: Cincinnati, Denver, Kansas City, Nashville, and Orlando.