Broadway Subway - Millennium Line Extension to Arbutus | U/C - Page 51

WarrenC12 · #**1001** Posted **Nov 8, 2021, 9:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

RIP people who can't walk 2 minutes in the opposite direction.

Doesn't this forum complain when people have to cross the street to access a station?

jollyburger · #**1002** Posted **Nov 8, 2021, 9:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Doesn't this forum complain when people have to cross the street to access a station?

Removing pedestrians from Broadway might have some benefit with a second entrance. I don't see how that applies to this case.

jollyburger · #**1003** Posted **Nov 8, 2021, 9:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Yeah, the 84 is the only service for 2nd between Cambie and Clark - it's not going anywhere.

I'm seeing three, maybe four future developments that would outright benefit from an entrance on 1st. The rest most likely won't mind walking on 2nd instead.

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"Design transit facility building height, where appropriate, to increase transit visibility from the surrounding neighbourhood and to mark the location as a neighbourhood centre."

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...-transit-network/tpfdg-print-version.pdf

If anything there's more room for development on the south side of East 1st then anything between East 1st and the train tracks.

CoastMeridian · #**1004** Posted **Nov 9, 2021, 7:10 AM**

Mount Pleasant Station site from November 8th

Both photos are mine.

officedweller · #**1005** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 12:57 AM**

From MoTH Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tranbc/albums/72157706275278374/with/51263712555/

Sept 20, 2021

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tranbc/albums/72157706275278374/with/51263712555/

dleung · #**1006** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 1:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...-transit-network/tpfdg-print-version.pdf

If anything there's more room for development on the south side of East 1st then anything between East 1st and the train tracks.

I'm kinda hoping for a future pedestrian bridge linking up all the segments of Thornton St, so that the future densification of Terminal Ave will have more options for skytrain connections.

This area if not for the rail tracks could be one of the best-serviced areas by skytrain in several different directions... maybe go even bigger and do a Hudson Yards to unlock the full potential of the site

officedweller · #**1007** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 2:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by dleung

I'm kinda hoping for a future pedestrian bridge linking up all the segments of Thornton St, so that the future densification of Terminal Ave will have more options for skytrain connections.

This is/was the plan for the connections in the Flats:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/emily-ca...k-flats-great-northern-way-campus-photos

Changing City · #**1008** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 2:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

This is/was the plan for the connections in the Flats

The three east-west arterial options have now been dropped in favour of an underpass under the rail tracks on Prior.

It's never been clear to me if there's a serious possibility of building pedestrian/bike bridges north/south over the rail tracks, or whether it was purely aspirational. As these are freight yards rather than passenger trains (as is the case with Hudson Yards) it's unlikely it could ever be decked over for development. Earlier False Creek Flats planning exercises assumed the rail tracks wouldn't stay in operation, but that's not at all true now, and it's unlikely it'll change in the future.

madog222 · #**1009** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 5:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

As these are freight yards rather than passenger trains (as is the case with Hudson Yards) it's unlikely it could ever be decked over for development.

I see no reason why being a freight yard makes a difference. Ventilation would be a big issue but it would be possible, bassicly the same as the waterfront hub idea. The bigger issue is the building foundations, the rail yard would need to be completely removed for construction.

Changing City · #**1010** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 5:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by madog222

Ventilation would be a big issue but it would be possible, bassicly the same as the waterfront hub idea. Not to say I believe this would ever happen, atlease not in the next 50 years.

It would have the same issue that Waterfront Hub faces. It's not possible to develop over the tracks while the rail operators have the option of having dangerous cargo stored on the tracks. (That could be oil cars, or chemicals, for example). That issue has never been resolved, and unless it can be, the tracks will stay as they are. It doesn't apply to passenger rail tracks like Hudson Yards, or Liverpool Street in London, which is why they could be decked over.

jollyburger · #**1011** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 5:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by madog222

I see no reason why being a freight yard makes a difference. Ventilation would be a big issue but it would be possible, bassicly the same as the waterfront hub idea. The bigger issue is the building foundations, the rail yard would need to be completely removed for construction.

Doesn't seem like even on the Waterfront that you can have rail lines under the buildings.

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The structural feasibility study included a preliminary investigation of the impacts on the rail yard likely to result from the
development anticipated in this framework document, using the Illustrative Concept Plan as a basis for the analysis. It
was initially thought that some portions of the rail tracks would be able to pass below the development sites, however on
further exploration it was determined that the required structural components for earthquake resistance would preclude
the ability to maintain rail lines under the buildings. The study concluded that there would be a loss of up to one third of
the existing rail track length within the yard to accommodate the development in the Illustrative Concept Plan.

https://guidelines.vancouver.ca/policy-plan-central-waterfront-hub-framework.pdf

officedweller · #**1012** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 6:32 AM**

I posted it just wrt the pedestrian bridges.
I could see them 'push launching' a bridge across the active rail yard the same way they did for the Coast Meridien Overpass (but on a much smaller/narrower scale).

scottN · #**1013** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 7:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

I posted it just wrt the pedestrian bridges.
I could see them 'push launching' a bridge across the active rail yard the same way they did for the Coast Meridien Overpass (but on a much smaller/narrower scale).

A pedestrian / cyclist bridge would be much lighter than a road bridge, so you could also prefabricate it off site and then crane it into plane in a day or two like they did for the Commercial / Broadway platform 5 walkway. I recall broadway was only closed for a weekend for that operation.

Migrant_Coconut · #**1014** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 9:04 AM**

Two bridges is going to be pricey - if plausible, City Hall may very well choose to scope-creep it into one big greenway from 1st to Northern.

Vin · #**1015** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 7:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Two bridges is going to be pricey - if plausible, City Hall may very well choose to scope-creep it into one big greenway from 1st to Northern.

Don't dream on it. The City can't even afford to take down the two viaducts. Looks like they will just let them rot and collapse.

Migrant_Coconut · #**1016** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 10:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Don't dream on it. The City can't even afford to take down the two viaducts. Looks like they will just let them rot and collapse.

Thank you for your input.

officedweller · #**1017** Posted **Nov 12, 2021, 11:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by scottN

A pedestrian / cyclist bridge would be much lighter than a road bridge, so you could also prefabricate it off site and then crane it into plane in a day or two like they did for the Commercial / Broadway platform 5 walkway. I recall broadway was only closed for a weekend for that operation.

Good point.
I happened to see that in person after dropping into the Safeway that night!

jollyburger · #**1018** Posted **Nov 13, 2021, 9:45 PM**

At GNW/Emily Carr

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November: Continuing bulk excavation on future station site; relocating utilities on Carolina Street and E. 1st Ave;
installing fencing around elevated guideway construction site; closing Earl Finning Way for water line relocation;
beginning installation of the elevated guideway columns; conducting geotechnical surveys; and installing monitoring
devices.
• December – Spring 2022: Continuing the construction of the elevated guideway columns