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^ That story reminds me of the end of this movie Force Majeure.
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^ That story reminds me of the end of this movie Force Majeure.
I'll have to check it out.
There were old women and kids screaming because we were on a bridge in downtown LA, and I'm not gonna just let that happen. Looking at a map, it was probably the East Caesar Chaves Avenue Bridge which is not far from Union Station. It could be one of the other bridges, but it was one of those neat looking ones. The worst part is I also had to talk to 911 because they hung up on the people before me. So then I also had to be the guy to talk to the cops but they didn't let me know the deal after his DUI check.
This driver, was trying to do a 3 point turn on a bridge but he never finished it. We had to walk over to the nearest intersection with the most names (I figured the cops would be able to find it).
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California already gave Brightline the ability to raise $4.2 billion in tax-exempt bonds to pay for the project, more than Nevada gave to the project.
https://hsrail.org/blog/xpresswest%E2%80%99s-200-mph-line-las-vegas-socal-track-break-ground-soon

And most of the ROW is owned by California, which has already signed the lease agreement to lease it to Brightline. https://www.vvng.com/caltrans-and-xpress...-for-high-speed-rail-service-along-i-15/
If you are familiar with the bi-state infrastructure squabbles in the east, you would know that these situations are often entirely dependent upon who holds office at a particular time. Well-laid plans are often tossed the instant a new governor takes office, i.e. the ARC Tunnel cancellation.
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If you are familiar with the bi-state infrastructure squabbles in the east, you would know that these situations are often entirely dependent upon who holds office at a particular time. Well-laid plans are often tossed the instant a new governor takes office, i.e. the ARC Tunnel cancellation.
It does not require a bi-state situation, it also occurs with all in one state situations as well. An example being the LaGuardia people mover extension cancellation. Newly elected or otherwise Presidents and Governors have cancelled more projects that project mismanagement - both public and private sector projects.
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It does not require a bi-state situation, it also occurs with all in one state situations as well. An example being the LaGuardia people mover extension cancellation. Newly elected or otherwise Presidents and Governors have cancelled more projects that project mismanagement - both public and private sector projects.
True, but on the other hand infrastructure politics in Western states tend to be a whole lot less personal for some reason. There's a whole lot less "this is gov so-and-so's project", which means there's less reason to cancel them when a new guy comes around.
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AND . . . . . CP4 drone footage from John at The Four Foot
This is the shortest and therefore the furthest along construction package, so you really get a sense of what the finished corridor will look like:

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True, but on the other hand infrastructure politics in Western states tend to be a whole lot less personal for some reason. There's a whole lot less "this is gov so-and-so's project", which means there's less reason to cancel them when a new guy comes around.
We do have the advantage of having bigger states, so most projects only involve one, maybe two states.

If we wanted HSR from Seattle to Portland, for example, we would only have to involve Washington and Oregon. It's not so simple on the East Coast.
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It's not so simple on the East Coast.
It's also not easy in the Midwest since Kentucky "owns" the Ohio River, meaning it - the poorer state - has to pay for the construction and maintenance of all bridges, excepting the north approaches, to Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio.

It's a ridiculous situation, but one that is a real problem should Chicago>Indy>Louisville>Nashville>Atlanta or Detroit>Dayton>Cincinnati>Lexington>Nashville gain traction.
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We do have the advantage of having bigger states, so most projects only involve one, maybe two states.

If we wanted HSR from Seattle to Portland, for example, we would only have to involve Washington and Oregon. It's not so simple on the East Coast.
My most controversial take is that it would be better for the citizenry and the nation if several east coast states were combined together. NY/NJ/PA/DE should be one state. Possibly including MD and DC as well. So many infrastructure problems could be solved if this happened.
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Agreed. I don't know which ones to combine, though.
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My most controversial take is that it would be better for the citizenry and the nation if several east coast states were combined together. NY/NJ/PA/DE should be one state. Possibly including MD and DC as well. So many infrastructure problems could be solved if this happened.
No state government is going to wish to dissolve itself with its 2 senators, and its electoral votes.
DC is another matter altogether. The District of Columbia's creation is rooted in Article I, section 8, clause 17 of the Constitution,
"To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings"

You would have to change the US Constitution with an amendment that requires 2/3rds of the other states to agree. That is not going to happen.
The purpose of this clause is to make Federal laws the only laws that apply in the Seat of Government - such that no State can dictate laws with the District. As soon as you make DC apart of Maryland again, Maryland laws would also apply over the entire District. Can you imagine the Governor of Maryland telling the President of the United States that he has to wear a covid mask indoor and outdoors 24 hours every day?
Having the District independent of Maryland avoids that situation altogether.

Our forefathers were not completely dumb as some of you might suggest.
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No state government is going to wish to dissolve itself with its 2 senators, and its electoral votes.
DC is another matter altogether. The District of Columbia's creation is rooted in Article I, section 8, clause 17 of the Constitution,
"To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings"

You would have to change the US Constitution with an amendment that requires 2/3rds of the other states to agree. That is not going to happen.
The purpose of this clause is to make Federal laws the only laws that apply in the Seat of Government - such that no State can dictate laws with the District. As soon as you make DC apart of Maryland again, Maryland laws would also apply over the entire District. Can you imagine the Governor of Maryland telling the President of the United States that he has to wear a covid mask indoor and outdoors 24 hours every day?
Having the District independent of Maryland avoids that situation altogether.

Our forefathers were not completely dumb as some of you might suggest.
The Constitution just says DC is a district not exceeding ten miles square. It used to be a square of 10 miles on each side, including Alexandria. Alexandria was removed. It didn't require a Constitutional amendment to remove Alexandria from DC.

It is possible to remove all but the areas required for actual federal government (e.g. White House, Capitol, etc.) from DC, and admit the now non-DC area as a new state, and admissions of states do not require ratification of the states.
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Infrastructure problems as they pertain to intercity rail could be reduced if the rail systems themselves were designed in-house, either by state DOTs or by a dedicated federal agency. So much of the high cost for intercity rail and transit in the United States comes from exploitative for-profit actors like Parsons-Brinkerhoff. Yes, PB's $3,000/day consultants are brought in for high-cost bridge & tunnel highway projects, but not to the same extent as they are for rail. It appears that CASHSR is attempting to do some activities in-house, but the costs could be brought down if we had a national agency that acted as consultants to the state DOT's. There could also be procurement at a national scale. As big as CAHSR is, it doesn't have the economy of scale that the big freight railroads have or the experienced purchasing staffs.
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My most controversial take is that it would be better for the citizenry and the nation if several east coast states were combined together. NY/NJ/PA/DE should be one state.
The way we arrived at the 50 states is very random, with each new group of states being politically motivated. We attempted to invade and take over Canada 1812-14 and lost. We never attempted it again because all of those new northern states would have meant free states greatly outnumbered slave states. As a mirror, the United States had the option to annex Cuba in the mid-1800s but didn't because the entry of a new slave state would have upset the balance.

The current calls to make DC a state are all motivated by the Democrat party and its belief that they'd pick up two senators for the next 100 years. Be careful what you wish for - as hard as it might be to imagine today, an era of DC being a Republican lock might be just 15 years away. I am regularly startled when I think back to how different the electoral map was just 20 years ago, let alone the 1980s.
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The current calls to make DC a state are all motivated by the Democrat party and its belief that they'd pick up two senators for the next 100 years. Be careful what you wish for - as hard as it might be to imagine today, an era of DC being a Republican lock might be just 15 years away.
You're right that is hard to imagine - like impossibly hard. I see absolutely no indication of such a shift and I think its more likely the GOP won't even be a thing in 15 years. Not sure what political winds you are listing to. As for the motivation behind the DC statehood movement, I sort of resent your position that it is nothing more than a Democratic motivated push to more safely hold the majority in Congress. In case you didn't know, the DC statehood push has been around for decades and it strains credulity it was always about national Democratic politics, especially considering the Democrats held strong majorities for decades without the "need" for DC statehood. The primary motivation has always been about fair representation and representation that can actually vote, you know, like Wyoming. My position is they should stop framing it as "statehood" and just frame it as right and fair representation. No need to eff up the national flag, no need to rename anything. The District of Columbia would still be the District of Columbia outside of the small designated federal zone, it would just have a seat in the House and 2 seats in the Senate. Then when every American has the same democratic representation, let the political chips fall where they may.
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You're right that is hard to imagine - like impossibly hard. I see absolutely no indication of such a shift and I think its more likely the GOP won't even be a thing in 15 years. Not sure what political winds you are listing to. As for the motivation behind the DC statehood movement, I sort of resent your position that it is nothing more than a Democratic motivated push to more safely hold the majority in Congress. In case you didn't know, the DC statehood push has been around for decades and it strains credulity it was always about national Democratic politics, especially considering the Democrats held strong majorities for decades without the "need" for DC statehood. The primary motivation has always been about fair representation and representation that can actually vote, you know, like Wyoming. My position is they should stop framing it as "statehood" and just frame it as right and fair representation. No need to eff up the national flag, no need to rename anything. The District of Columbia would still be the District of Columbia outside of the small designated federal zone, it would just have a seat in the House and 2 seats in the Senate. Then when every American has the same democratic representation, let the political chips fall where they may.
Politics aside, there is still the issue of Constitutional law at state.
Article 1 Section 8 defines the "Powers of Congress". The clause establishing the District of Columbia falls under the "Powers of Congress". So obviously, Congress could change its powers when it decides to do so.
When was the last time you saw Congress surrender a Constitutional power?

Like what happen to the section of the District south of the Potomac, the land was surrendered back to Virginia, therefore most likely the section of the District north of the Potomac would probably be surrendered back to Maryland. At least Maryland would have a very strong claim for it.

The Constitution also states what is required to add a new State.
Article 4 - The States ; Section 3 - New States
"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State."

Can the northern section of the District be made into a new State or would it return back to Maryland? Maryland gave up that territory to make the District, not to make a new State 200 plus years later. It would make an interesting constitutional case in the Supreme Court.

Which bring up the possibilities about breaking states up into 2, 3, or more states. How many States do you know desire giving up tax revenues?

Anything is possible, and given the right circumstances anything can be probable. But I do not ever see the circumstances where States will be willing to give up tax revenues and surrendering territory to another State.
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You're right that is hard to imagine - like impossibly hard. I see absolutely no indication of such a shift and I think its more likely the GOP won't even be a thing in 15 years. Not sure what political winds you are listing to. As for the motivation behind the DC statehood movement, I sort of resent your position that it is nothing more than a Democratic motivated push to more safely hold the majority in Congress. In case you didn't know, the DC statehood push has been around for decades and it strains credulity it was always about national Democratic politics, especially considering the Democrats held strong majorities for decades without the "need" for DC statehood. The primary motivation has always been about fair representation and representation that can actually vote, you know, like Wyoming. My position is they should stop framing it as "statehood" and just frame it as right and fair representation. No need to eff up the national flag, no need to rename anything. The District of Columbia would still be the District of Columbia outside of the small designated federal zone, it would just have a seat in the House and 2 seats in the Senate. Then when every American has the same democratic representation, let the political chips fall where they may.
If it was just about representation, then they'd be content with asking to be annexed by Virginia or Maryland.

I'm not an expert on Puerto Rico but it has 2X the population of Hawaii and is half the distance from the mainland, which is enough for me to take any wish of theirs for statehood seriously, but we hardly ever hear from them.
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If it was just about representation, then they'd be content with asking to be annexed by Virginia or Maryland.

I'm not an expert on Puerto Rico but it has 2X the population of Hawaii and is half the distance from the mainland, which is enough for me to take any wish of theirs for statehood seriously, but we hardly ever hear from them.
We're not talking about Puerto Rico. I'm sure there is a statehood constituency there but I'd also imagine one for independence as well. Not sure what that has to do with DC. Also, as far as the notion that if their motivations were anything other than representation and not how its currently framed as a D power grab of some sort, and if so they should just merge with Maryland or Virginia is really lacking. You seem to be saying they are (as a voting block) so craven in their motivations they wouldn't be bothered at all about essentially dissolving historical municipal identity for temporal political power that, as you say, may shift in the future where it wouldn't even matter (still unsure what possible future would transform DC residents into Republicans, but whatever). It's not totally unlike a notion that in an attempt to consolidate and coordinate trade and economic power, France , Germany, Italy, Belgium wouldn't just form a economic union but would completely dissolve national identity. That makes no sense. DC residents aren't Marylanders (or whatever they're called) or Virginians, and they wouldn't want to absolve their District identity just to help the Democratic Party. A hollow insinuation if I've ever read one.

This conversation has absolutely nothing to do with California HSR.
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