Federal Government & Politics | Election 2021 FORUM POLL - Page 31

lio45 · #**601** Posted **Sep 23, 2021, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

79/159 Liberal seats are in Ontario. Does that make the Liberals the Bloc Ontarian?

They'd be the official opposition in this Parliament, so clearly a major party. (Tories of Canada would be a minority govt with ~120 seats and the Opposition would be the Ontario Bloc with ~80.)

To answer your question: kinda.

Scheer's version of the CPC could've been said to be the Prairie Bloc as well; doing well there and having (nearly only) the interests of that region in mind, with the price to pay being that they are too regionally-focused to ever form government.

Truenorth00 · #**602** Posted **Sep 23, 2021, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

My point is the NDP is in a crisis, they do well in BC but almost nowhere else.

This is a good point. I believe they've been shut out of the GTA for 3 elections now. Couldn't even beat a Liberal candidate whose own party withdrew support in downtown Toronto.

People are questioning O'Toole's performance? I don't get why there isn't a real push on to replace Singh, based purely on performance.

lio45 · #**603** Posted **Sep 23, 2021, 11:22 PM**

Replace Singh with who? (Mulcair won't accept to come back, and Layton isn't coming back either.)

jigglysquishy · #**604** Posted **Sep 23, 2021, 11:22 PM**

The Liberals won an additional 23 seats in Gatineau and greater Montreal. So not Bloc Ontario, but Bloc Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal.

The NDP have about 5 ridings in Toronto that, based on progressive vote and income, should be considered NDP safe. Another 5 that should lean NDP. Getting shut out in Canada's largest city should absolutely be considered a failure.

thurmas · #**605** Posted **Sep 23, 2021, 11:25 PM**

Ndp is content being mediocre they don't care about winning. They are more obsessed about left wing purity tests thats why Mulcair was ousted. They should be looking at Horgan and Notley models in how moderate NDP always has a good chance of winning.

jigglysquishy · #**606** Posted **Sep 23, 2021, 11:31 PM**

Really, all political parties are heavily regional. Liberals in urban Ontario, Montreal, and Atlantic Canada. Conservatives in rural Canada and suburban prairie. NDP in BC. Bloc in Quebec. And Greens on Vancouver Island.

No party can claim wide support in every region. The Liberals in 2015 are the only instance of that happening since Chretien.

SpongeG · #**607** Posted **Sep 23, 2021, 11:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

To quote your uneducated friend
"Which would be a hell of a lot better for us than being swallowed up by an ungrateful and unbudging quebec! We still provide huge economic transfer payments to Quebec from our oils and gas revenues but they are constantly trying to shut the entire western Canadian economy down while heavily polluting the waterways with their raw sewage! A totally hypocritical province that only thinks about quebecers and that's why we are tired of economically supporting a country that kicks its cash cow in the mouth every chance it gets! You all deserve Trudeau but we in the west are fed up and want out! "

You claim this person lives in BC yes? Do they not realize the BC Economy is NOT reliant on oil and gas? This person is just another alberta brainwashed BCer who thinks she's somehow an albertan and not a BCer, par for the course for Northeast BC which has about as much in common with the rest of BC as Quebec does with Ontario.

She lives in Ft St John, I have no idea who she is, she was commenting on something an old friend who now lives in Pr George, from school days had posted about how did Trudeau win blah blah blah. The place is all oil & gas and that's the prevailing attitude there that without Ft St John BC would have nothing. You try to point things out to them and they just scream Fake News basically. Trudeau only won because we don't get representation in Ottawa blah blah blah and if we don't we'll show them by separating.

It's laughable. Even though I grew up there my family were immigrants and my dad hated it there but the job was good, we moved as soon as he retired. So i never got the whole brainwashing.

From the friends I have on Facebook, the ones who left the town are generally University educated, have lived in other parts of the country and now live in Vancouver area or Vancouver Island and are pretty open minded and liberal. The others either still live there or live in Alberta now and generally woriking in oil & gas and are pretty close minded and currently very much in the anti-vaxxer state of mind and love Trump.

Ft St John is also a place where you will see many vehicles with only back license plates cause they won't put them on the front cause they buy their cars in Alberta and screw BC basically.

Acajack · #**608** Posted **Sep 23, 2021, 11:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Replace Singh with who? (Mulcair won't accept to come back, and Layton isn't coming back either.)

Niki Ashton?

Bcasey25raptor · #**609** Posted **Sep 23, 2021, 11:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Niki Ashton?

If they do that they'll lose everything, very bad idea, she's nuts.

MolsonExport · #**610** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 12:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Replace Singh with who? (Mulcair won't accept to come back, and Layton isn't coming back either.)

What about Vegas Girl?

Bloc Québécois Yves Perron 19,133 35.22 -2.40
New Democratic Ruth Ellen Brosseau 18,200 33.50 -1.45

jigglysquishy · #**611** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 2:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

If they do that they'll lose everything, very bad idea, she's nuts.

I've seen friends on Facebook call for her to be NDP leader and others wanting Poilievere to be Conservative leader.

That's an easy Liberal majority right there.

Hecate · #**612** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 3:17 AM**

Yes let’s have Niki Ashton lead the NDP… ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. The woman who abandoned her constituency while the military was being called in to help during a pandemic. Lol. Oh yeah her grandma was sick… I know two people who died in hospitals here in Manitoba without family by their side. But she’s going to Greece. Lol. What a leader. I can’t even believe somebody would suggest her. Lol.

Loco101 · #**613** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 5:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hecate

Yes let’s have Niki Ashton lead the NDP… ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. The woman who abandoned her constituency while the military was being called in to help during a pandemic. Lol. Oh yeah her grandma was sick… I know two people who died in hospitals here in Manitoba without family by their side. But she’s going to Greece. Lol. What a leader. I can’t even believe somebody would suggest her. Lol.

I agree with you.

Loco101 · #**614** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 5:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Replace Singh with who? (Mulcair won't accept to come back, and Layton isn't coming back either.)

My MPP Gilles Bisson would likely do much better as leader than Singh. Bisson did run for leadership of the Ontario NDP in the party's last leadership election but of course lost to Andrea Horwath. He's been my MPP since 1990, is bilingual and relates well to many people who aren't typical NDP supporters.

Acajack · #**615** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 11:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hecate

Yes let’s have Niki Ashton lead the NDP… ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. The woman who abandoned her constituency while the military was being called in to help during a pandemic. Lol. Oh yeah her grandma was sick… I know two people who died in hospitals here in Manitoba without family by their side. But she’s going to Greece. Lol. What a leader. I can’t even believe somebody would suggest her. Lol.

I am not a cheerleader from Ashton or even a Dipper.

Just saying that her name gets thrown around a lot.

Acajack · #**616** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 12:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

My MPP Gilles Bisson would likely do much better as leader than Singh. Bisson did run for leadership of the Ontario NDP in the party's last leadership election but of course lost to Andrea Horwath. He's been my MPP since 1990, is bilingual and relates well to many people who aren't typical NDP supporters.

She being from northern Ontario, I think my wife probably has one degree or a half-degree of separation from Gilles Bisson.

In that I am pretty sure if you mentioned her name to him he'd say "oh yeah I know her" and say something about her.

I've never met him but he does seem like a sharp and effective politician.

I would expect the way he speaks French (accent, vocabulary, turns of phrase) would lead to some interesting "discussion" if ever he became a figure on the national stage. (Though obviously that shouldn't be a deal-breaker if he were to want to go federal.)

MonctonRad · #**617** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 12:17 PM**

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I would expect the way he speaks French (accent, vocabulary, turns of phrase) would lead to some interesting "discussion" if ever he became a figure on the national stage. (Though obviously that shouldn't be a deal-breaker if he were to want to go federal.)

So, the vocabulary, elocution and loquaciousness of one's French verbiage is the most important thing to one's electoral success in Quebec?

So, this is how you determine a person's quality?

Sounds like the late Roman republic to me. He who spoke the best Latin was the most admired, and the most politically successful.

Who is the modern day Cicero at the present time in la belle province. Who best passes muster???

Acajack · #**618** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 12:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

So, the vocabulary, elocution and loquaciousness of one's French verbiage is the most important thing to one's electoral success in Quebec?

So, this is how you determine a person's quality?

Sounds like the late Roman republic to me. He who spoke the best Latin was the most admired, and the most politically successful.

Who is the modern day Cicero at the present time in la belle province. Who best passes muster???

Not really, but as a francophone his mastery of French (or lack thereof) would factor into people's perceptions of his eventual policy positions on various identity, linguistic and cultural matters.

MonctonRad · #**619** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 12:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Not really, but as a francophone his mastery of French (or lack thereof) would factor into people's perceptions of his eventual policy positions on various identity, linguistic and cultural matters.

So, a person with a French last name from the RoC who has poor French language skills should be considered a vendu or a traitor then?

Acajack · #**620** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 1:08 PM**

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So, a person with a French last name from the RoC who has poor French language skills should be considered a vendu or a traitor then?

As I said: that depends on their views and positions.

I've witnessed heated discussions between Franco-Ontarians speaking hopelessly bastardized and anglicized French arguing with Quebecers that French doesn't need any protection.

(For some reason Acadians don't get or give this as much.)