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[FrankieFlowerpot]

Originally Posted by flar

I heard this the other day. That's incredibly slow, London to Toronto is only two hours by car!

And $30 one-way. Not that much cheaper than the Via Rail cost

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by flar

I heard this the other day. That's incredibly slow, London to Toronto is only two hours by car!

Just wait till the GTA adds another million people this decade, and the car travel time becomes 3 hrs downtown to downtown off-peak.

[travis3000]

It's also important to realize... What party won the most seats in BC this election? CPC?...Nope. NDP?....Nope. It was the Liberals.

Despite polls showing the LPC plunging into oblivion in the province, the party finished first in the # of ridings won.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Just wait till the GTA adds another million people this decade, and the car travel time becomes 3 hrs downtown to downtown off-peak.

Why wait a decade? Google Maps gives Toronto -> London by car between 2hr10mins and 3hr30mins via the QEW if you leave today at 4PM.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by travis3000

It's also important to realize... What party won the most seats in BC this election? CPC?...Nope. NDP?....Nope. It was the Liberals.

Despite polls showing the LPC plunging into oblivion in the province, the party finished first in the # of ridings won.

Greater Vancouver really came through for the Liberals this election. This is why I called out the polls from several weeks ago showing BC going con massively to be a bunch of bs, they didn't match my on the ground experience.

BC Going overwhelmingly Con in this election made no sense because we literally just elected a majority NDP gov in 2020. BC has been trending leftward of years, that wasn't going to be undone in 3 weeks

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Why wait a decade? Google Maps gives Toronto -> London by car between 2hr10mins and 3hr30mins via the QEW if you leave today at 4PM.

That's peak. I think it's going to 3 hrs on a summer Saturday afternoon in 2030, if there is no rail alternative to really relieve the traffic.

[JHikka]

Just checking in. tw sa

People's Party Leader Maxime Bernier Has Twitter Frozen After Targeting Journalists

After Maxime Bernier sent out the contact info of journalists and told his followers to "play dirty," the information was reposted by white nationalists and the journalists were set upon by 4chan trolls.

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Within hours of being posted, Bernier’s plea to target the journalists was amplified into the notorious /pol/ board of the imageboard 4chan, known for its trolly neo-Nazi community. The 4chan users spent several hours documenting their harassment of the journalists, including sending them racist hate mail and using bots to send them massive amounts of spam.

“I just wanted to wholeheartedly express how much I hope that all propagandists like you get brutally raped before being lynched and strung up from the nearest study tree or lamp post,” says an email sent to one of the targeted journalists. “You are a traitor to your nation and your people. Remember, kill the traitors before the enemy.”

Bernier’s tweets caught the eye of Twitter Canada and three posts were removed shortly after 11 p.m. Wednesday. Bernier’s account was also placed into a 12-hour read-only mode.

“We’ve taken enforcement action against the account you referenced for violating our private information policy,” Cam Gordon, the head of Twitter Canada’s communication team, told VICE World News.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3d83j/p...itter-frozen-after-targeting-journalists

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Racism too. I've had people tell me (a brown guy) that Toronto is "not Canadian".

That's sort of universal to major metros all over the developed world. They are not seen as fitting the national stereotype anymore, because of their diversity.

That's a factual observation though. "Very Culturally Polish" and "Extremely culturally diverse" are mutually exclusive, and if I've always dreamed of visiting Poland for example, then it's likely not in order to go interact with an Indian immigrant who barely speaks any Polish serving me Tandoori Chicken in the retail section of a nondescript international-style glass office tower in the Warsaw CBD.

I'd say it's universal to major metros in the Western world--the chunk of the planet that is a magnet for immigrants. Tokyo would be a nice counter-example: megacity, but still culturally very Japanese.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by flar

I heard this the other day. That's incredibly slow, London to Toronto is only two hours by car!

VIA continues to serve Toronto-London in just over 2hrs..

the GO train is a mess and rightly ridiculous but the government is taking the attitude of "lets get something running now and upgrade it" instead of "wait years to upgrade and then start running stuff".

GO does this with most of it's extensions, starts with a slow crappy service on existing infrastructure and upgrades it.

[jigglysquishy]

Western alienation isn't an inherently left or right wing movement. Just a general political trend of feeling Ottawa doesn't care about you.

You see it in NDP and Tory circles. It's widespread in rural and indigenous communities.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

Western alienation isn't a problem in BC and anyone who claims it is is a grifter.

My entire life I haven't known anyone with any real grievances against Eastern Canada here, so I have no idea what anyone is talking about. Alberta however hates the east but they hate BC too.

How often do you leave the Lower Mainland? Not trying to be flippant.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by rofina

How often do you leave the Lower Mainland? Not trying to be flippant.

first 20 years of my life in Kelowna, even then, I didn't see anti eastern sentiment, I saw anti Vancouver and anti Alberta sentiment

[rofina]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

The northeast isn't really BC, it's more of an extension of Alberta

Also these people make up an infinitesimally tiny minority of people that they shouldn't be taken seriously. There isn't any western alienation, theres partisan cons butthurt they lost again.

Your dismissive attitude to these folks grievances is a primary cause for the division were seeing in the West.
Your attitude, and City folks like yourself, provide the cannon fodder necessary for the manufacturing of culture wars.

You're so sure that what they see is wrong you're willing to cast them aside, and not be taken seriously.

This is literally how you end up with a Donald Trump in office; these folks are vulnerable to a populist message.

The successful answer for us a country isn't to dismiss them and cast them aside as insignificant.

Maybe it takes 5, maybe it takes 10, or 15 years, but regardless of how much it pains urban types, we need to find a way to mend the rural and urban gap.

There is no benefit to dividing the country between urban and rural.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lio45

That's a factual observation though. "Very Culturally Polish" and "Extremely culturally diverse" are mutually exclusive, and if I've always dreamed of visiting Poland for example, then it's likely not in order to go interact with an Indian immigrant who barely speaks any Polish serving me Tandoori Chicken in the retail section of a nondescript international-style glass office tower in the Warsaw CBD.

I'd say it's universal to major metros in the Western world--the chunk of the planet that is a magnet for immigrants..

It's (considered) a horrible thing to evoke, but it will be *interesting* going forward to see how all of that evolves.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by rofina

Your dismissive attitude to these folks grievances is a primary cause for the division were seeing in the West. Your attitude, and City folks like yourself, provide the cannon fodder necessary for the manufacturing of culture wars.

Your so sure that what they see is wrong you're willing to cast them aside, and not be taken seriously.

This is literally how you end up with a Donald Trump in office.

I'm sorry but people spewing conspiracy theories and believing in literal nonsense shouldn't be taken seriously. The people you literally quoted are anti vaxxers, who make up no more than 5-10 percent of the population, opinion discarded, period.

The grievances of these people are fake, theres no western alienation, theres rural alienation, you find these same people in rural southern ontario.

[jigglysquishy]

You can't just lie and say western alienation doesn't exist. It's been a political reality for 140 years whether or not you want to recognize it exists.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

my feed is full of it, I grew up in NE BC and they vote Liberals Provincially and Conservatives federally and don't understand why they work their asses off so Quebecers can live off their money.

Canada is run by an Eastern Dictatorship and unless BC gets proportional representation we need to separate is their mantra.

Here is what one woman wrote about some comments about why/how did Trudeau win? She is also an anti-vaxxer

I had commented the West separating would just be swallowed up by the USA after she had posted some crazy rant and then she followed up with this.



and this



and this

To quote your uneducated friend
"Which would be a hell of a lot better for us than being swallowed up by an ungrateful and unbudging quebec! We still provide huge economic transfer payments to Quebec from our oils and gas revenues but they are constantly trying to shut the entire western Canadian economy down while heavily polluting the waterways with their raw sewage! A totally hypocritical province that only thinks about quebecers and that's why we are tired of economically supporting a country that kicks its cash cow in the mouth every chance it gets! You all deserve Trudeau but we in the west are fed up and want out! "

You claim this person lives in BC yes? Do they not realize the BC Economy is NOT reliant on oil and gas? This person is just another alberta brainwashed BCer who thinks she's somehow an albertan and not a BCer, par for the course for Northeast BC which has about as much in common with the rest of BC as Quebec does with Ontario.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by jigglysquishy

You can't just lie and say western alienation doesn't exist. It's been a political reality for 140 years whether or not you want to recognize it exists.

CPC partisan talking points sowing seeds of regional division isn't "western alienation"

These people talk the same way in Rural Ontario. BC Rejected the CPC this election, 15 Libs, 13 NDP and 1 Green to only 13 CPC.

We aren't Alberta regardless of what rural people in Fort St John think

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I probably won't answer your question directly, but having travelled extensively in Western Canada for work and pleasure, and discussed this topic with many Westerners around boardroom tables, restaurant place settings, barstools and online, I'd say that Atlantic Canada doesn't factor into the equation much at all in their minds.

Overall, you guys get off scot free even though equalization per capita is way higher in Atlantic Canada than in Quebec. (Manitoba's per capita equalization is also higher than Quebec's, actually.)

Ontario does get crapped on of course because it has the most population, the biggest city and the capital located within it.

But nothing comes close to the venom directed at Quebec.

This hate is supposedly explained (justified) by a few things:

That while equalization per capita to Quebec is the lowest of the have-nots (often by a huge margin), the total number of dollars is by far the biggest. Due to Quebec's large population.

While Atlantic Canada is a huge recipient per capita, at least they never tried to separate and break up the country.

I'd add one that no one ever refers to: Alberta in particular has a fairly decent share of its population made of people from Atlantic Canada (especially Newfoundland) and their descendants.

Which of course leads us to the elephant in the room that probably explains a lot of the acrimony which is that Quebec is "French" (sic) whereas Atlantic Canada is not. Or at least is not perceived as such.

yeah, this is my take as well.

[jigglysquishy]

The NDP can and does represent western alienation. The old MP for the NDP here in Regina (until 2017) even said in debates, that "we deserve a progressive voice that cares about the west".