Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[vanman]

Originally Posted by s211

And reduced to one-lane, reversible, because... you know... climate emergency.

Hah don't give them any ideas.

[s211]

Originally Posted by vanman

Hah don't give them any ideas.

I could never wear that shame, and therefore will assert I took it from the ND party's platform in the last election.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

https://www.delta-optimist.com/local-new...IieEuz9d8-M3xUB778g9dcyAKzKWYEjO3ZKhwffI

...
Fleming, also noting the replacement project is in the budget as part of the transportation investment plan table, said consultations with First Nations and Local governments has been ongoing, but that those discussions are confidential.

He added they had also been working with Indigenous rights holders and local governments, alongside the panel of experts, on the business case development.

B.C. Minister of Finance Selina Robinson during a presentation on her government’s 2021 budget to the Delta Chamber of Commerce last month said the province is carefully analyzing the business case and consulting key stakeholders....

https://www.delta-optimist.com/local-new...IieEuz9d8-M3xUB778g9dcyAKzKWYEjO3ZKhwffI


I can't see First Nations supporting an in-river submersed tunnel over a brdgde with no piers in the river.

[Jimbo604]

Delta Optimist - Jun 26, 2021 4:00 PM By: Sandor Gyarmati:
Delta MLA Paton urges 'get shovels in the ground'

"The Green-backed New Democrat government, after the 2017 provincial election, announced the previous Liberal government’s George Massey Tunnel Replacement Project was cancelled.

It was a new 10-lane bridge project with associated highway works, a project that had gotten underway just prior to the election and was scheduled for completion in 2022."

[madog222]

Bus on-ramp design.



Full size PDF: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/drivin...rawings-bridgeport-rd-bus-connection.pdf
From BC MOTI https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/trans...l-tender-documents/project-no-08601-0001

[Metro-One]

Am I reading this right?

The multi use pathway crosses the south bound on ramp at grade???

Does the bus lane and multi use pathway cross sea island way at grade??????

Also I see there is no bus only off ramp…

People do know that despite using a single lane for a short distance, the previous project had both a bus only on and off ramp with full grade separation.

Edit: Just looked at the full size PDF. It is all 100% at grade.

What at awful design. As far as highway upgrades go this corridor is really getting thrown under the bus (pun intended)

[madog222]

Yes, this is very sad to look at given what we know could have been.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Am I reading this right?

The multi use pathway crosses the south bound on ramp at grade???

Does the bus lane and multi use pathway cross sea island way at grade??????

Presumably the one traffic light at the Sea Island Way crossing still results in a time savings.
Looks like the general traffic onramp from Sea Island Way to Hwy 99 southbound will also have a traffic light to allow the multi-use path to cross - or it could be cooridinated with the bus lane to give the bus priority access to Hwy 99 southbound .

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Presumably the one traffic light at the Sea Island Way crossing still results in a time savings.
Looks like the general traffic onramp from Sea Island Way to Hwy 99 southbound will also have a traffic light to allow the multi-use path to cross - or it could be cooridinated with the bus lane to give the bus priority access to Hwy 99 southbound .

I fail to see how a new light saves time for those traveling along Sea Island Way.

Point still stands: Original concept had direct access for buses in both directions (and didn’t need to share an on ramp with general traffic), did not have any conflicts with pedestrians and did not include the additional of new traffic lights, which this likely includes two.

Just admit the plan before was superior and we will have waited 5 to 7 years longer for an inferior project.

It’s okay to sometimes admit that a downgrade has occurred, even if the party you like is in power and behind the decisions.

[officedweller]

..time savings for the bus in the dedicated bus lane vs accessing via Great Canadian Way - it's a single minded / biased approach, not a balanced one.

It's obvious this is a downgrade (like Skytrain vs LRT with level crossings).
My comment was about whether the lower level of improvement (for buses) still justifies the project.

[xd_1771]

The multi-use pathway already crosses the Sea Island on-ramp to Highway 99 south. Except it does so without any usable crossing facilities.

The new config removes buses turning left from Great Canadian Way SB onto Sea Island EB. That will allow for the shortening of the long left turn phase there, so it should result in some time savings on Sea Island (despite the extra lights, which are short crosswalk lights and not full intersection signals).

All in all, seeing that the diagram matches my predictions almost exactly, I'm pretty excited

[Firebrand]

To be honest, this on-ramp design feels like the NDP giving the middle finger to Richmond and South Delta residents by feeding them scraps from the much better design that they axed back in 2017.

[libtard]

The funny thing is people actually thought this was going to be some sort of overpass design OVER sea island way. No shit this is at grade, how did you expect them to shoe horn in anything else?

[craner]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I fail to see how a new light saves time for those traveling along Sea Island Way.

Point still stands: Original concept had direct access for buses in both directions (and didn’t need to share an on ramp with general traffic), did not have any conflicts with pedestrians and did not include the additional of new traffic lights, which this likely includes two.

Just admit the plan before was superior and we will have waited 5 to 7 years longer for an inferior project.

It’s okay to sometimes admit that a downgrade has occurred, even if the party you like is in power and behind the decisions.

Re-quoted for truth!

This must be very frustrating for you guys.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by craner

Re-quoted for truth!

This must be very frustrating for you guys.

Yeah, bridge or tunnel doesn't bother me much anymore (still prefer a bridge though), but its obvious that outside of the tunnel mega structure itself, there are going to be minimal band aid improvements made to the 99 corridor itself.

So what this means is that after the tunnel is completed in 7 or so years from now it will take another major project afterwards to overhaul the corridor itself (widening, modernizing interchanges, having a true rapid bus system) which I am guessing will happen about 5 to 10 years after opening.

So by that time it will likely take around 25 extra years to get what we would have had by this time next year. (that's right, the project would have been less than a year from completion by now...)

This project is the NDP's biggest goof and I bet was only done to keep the Greens on their side as a minority government.

It is fun though watching forum members on here that are usually advocating for US style mega freeways twist in the wind since they support the NDP and don't want to say anything too directly bad about them regarding this boondoggle of a project.

For the record I feel the NDP have done satisfactory in most regards, except this project, this one is egg on their face.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Yeah, bridge or tunnel doesn't bother me much anymore (still prefer a bridge though), but its obvious that outside of the tunnel mega structure itself, there are going to be minimal band aid improvements made to the 99 corridor itself.

So what this means is that after the tunnel is completed in 7 or so years from now it will take another major project afterwards to overhaul the corridor itself (widening, modernizing interchanges, having a true rapid bus system) which I am guessing will happen about 5 to 10 years after opening.

So by that time it will likely take around 25 extra years to get what we would have had by this time next year. (that's right, the project would have been less than a year from completion by now...)

This project is the NDP's biggest goof and I bet was only done to keep the Greens on their side as a minority government.

It is fun though watching forum members on here that are usually advocating for US style mega freeways twist in the wind since they support the NDP and don't want to say anything too directly bad about them regarding this boondoggle of a project.

For the record I feel the NDP have done satisfactory in most regards, except this project, this one is egg on their face.

Are you going to repeat the same thing every time some tiny piece of news is released about this project? You sound like a broken record. No one is a fan of this value engineered project. Get over it

[Marshal]

Says the repeating record champion stuck for years on jersey barriers and asphalt paving. Libtard, say you're sorry to poor Metro-One.

(I know its childish/juvenile, but just watching the news and couldn't resist.)

[Klazu]

This whole petty fiasco is the only reason why NDP won't get my vote on the next provincial election. We are spending a billion more to get something totally subpar a decade later. This is criminally negligent use of public money.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Marshal

Says the repeating record champion stuck for years on jersey barriers and asphalt paving. Libtard, say you're sorry to poor Metro-One.

(I know its childish/juvenile, but just watching the news and couldn't resist.)

Yeah, was going to say. This project hasn’t even started and he is saying to shut up about it? He goes on about projects that have been completed nearly a decade ago! (SFPR anyone?)

Hell, the original project was already 100 million dollars in, pre loading complete, utility relocation compete, pile driving prep work complete, and yet the detractors didn’t shut up and were able to get the project cancelled!

So no, I won’t stop complaining or reminding people what a colossal waste of money and time this has been.

My hope is still have this iteration of the projects canned and reverted back to at least some state of the original. We still have time.

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by Klazu

This whole petty fiasco is the only reason why NDP won't get my vote on the next provincial election. We are spending a billion more to get something totally subpar a decade later. This is criminally negligent use of public money.

Oh, don't kid yourself. You were never going to vote for the NDP anyways.