Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed - Page 200

logicbomb · #**3981** Posted **Apr 23, 2021, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Given the choice between the GMB and the Broadway and Langley SkyTrains, I'll take the SkyTrains. I don't think there was ever a possibility of getting all three at once.

On one hand, this province is going to see a massive uptick in immigration in the next decade, and municipalities NoF will need to ramp up turnaround for project approvals and rezoning near Skytrain hubs, which may still not meet the demands of the rapidly growing population.

It is a given the ALR's need to die in some parts SoF. Many of them are just blueberry farms that have gigantic monster homes with truck storage parking lots leeching contaminants into the soil. I estimate a lot of ALR's in South Surrey will be heavily contaminated, and not suitable to grow crops for the region. It is unfortunate as I was a proponent of ALR and agriculture here, but the reality is these lands are not production anything nor will policy or the economic climate ever favour production in these parts of Canada unless we revert employers rights and heavily subsidize it. Even lands in the Interior are mass exporting local fruits overseas while we get most of ours from the United States and Central America.

It's a matter of time before we see explosive development in South Surrey, Delta and Tsawwassen that will compound traffic jams post-COVID. The GMB should have been built and nearing completion right now, and instead...we kicked the can down the road because many beneficiaries in these riding didn't vote orange.

Migrant_Coconut · #**3982** Posted **Apr 23, 2021, 7:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by logicbomb

It's a matter of time before we see explosive development in South Surrey, Delta and Tsawwassen that will compound traffic jams post-COVID. The GMB should have been built and nearing completion right now, and instead...we kicked the can down the road because many beneficiaries in these riding didn't vote orange.

Given the attitudes of Ladner, White Rock and North Delta toward density, it can be assumed that the GMB will be long done before that "matter of time" comes to pass.

hollywoodnorth · #**3983** Posted **Apr 23, 2021, 9:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

So essentially outside of the tunnel minimal improvements to the corridor.

Continued use of the shoulder as a “bus lane.”

Minimal upgrades to the interchanges bookending the tunnel (essentially retaining the existing late 1950’s era designs) with only a single overpass being replaced.

I am sure the direct southbound bus connection from Bridgeport Station will be a Mickey Mouse bare bones connection that will pale in comparison to the cancelled project’s version.

Oh well, just build the tunnel then and hopefully another project later will upgrade the highway.

Of course in the end that will take two multi billion dollar projects (one for the tunnel and one for the highway) with a combined price tag likely double or triple that of the cancelled project. Politics!

this is what happens when you vote NDP.

flipper316 · #**3984** Posted **May 10, 2021, 7:56 PM**

The signs on the approaches to the tunnel say that lighting project cost 25 million. I drove through the tunnel the other night. Where the fvck did the money go? Yes the lighting is improved but that's it. They couldn't even bother to paint shoulder lines in the tunnel. Nor add any cats eyes reflectors on the south end or Deas Slough section. I couldn't believe it. And what's with the section before and after the tunnel with the recessed cats eyes reflectors but the resr of the highway doesn't have that. Another half assed BC road project.

s211 · #**3985** Posted **May 10, 2021, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

The signs on the approaches to the tunnel say that lighting project cost 25 million. I drove through the tunnel the other night. Where the fvck did the money go? Yes the lighting is improved but that's it. They couldn't even bother to paint shoulder lines in the tunnel. Nor add any cats eyes reflectors on the south end or Deas Slough section. I couldn't believe it. And what's with the section before and after the tunnel with the recessed cats eyes reflectors but the resr of the highway doesn't have that. Another half assed BC road project.

"Community benefits" at work, more commonly known as union extortion.

WarrenC12 · #**3986** Posted **May 10, 2021, 9:24 PM**

They are still working on it aren't they? Big sections have been re-paved too, I'm assuming they are doing more of that (since it's down to 1 lane each way overnight).

Maybe you can bid on the next project.

libtard · #**3987** Posted **May 10, 2021, 11:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

The signs on the approaches to the tunnel say that lighting project cost 25 million. I drove through the tunnel the other night. Where the fvck did the money go? Yes the lighting is improved but that's it. They couldn't even bother to paint shoulder lines in the tunnel. Nor add any cats eyes reflectors on the south end or Deas Slough section. I couldn't believe it. And what's with the section before and after the tunnel with the recessed cats eyes reflectors but the resr of the highway doesn't have that. Another half assed BC road project.

It’s funny how BC is just now starting to install the reflectors in a recessed groove on highway 99. Reflectors on I-5 in Washington state have been like that for over 40 years

Klazu · #**3988** Posted **May 11, 2021, 5:39 AM**

Do such reflectors become loose easily? I have noticed several randomly placed reflectors at Burnaby intersection in where the tires roll. It's odd as they don't feel like are loose, just really randomly placed. Several intersections have at least few of these...

moosejaw · #**3989** Posted **May 11, 2021, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Do such reflectors become loose easily? I have noticed several randomly placed reflectors at Burnaby intersection in where the tires roll.

not really they use an epoxy adhesive to keep them grounded

flipper316 · #**3990** Posted **May 11, 2021, 7:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Do such reflectors become loose easily? I have noticed several randomly placed reflectors at Burnaby intersection in where the tires roll. It's odd as they don't feel like are loose, just really randomly placed. Several intersections have at least few of these...

Yea they do. Pretty bad along Marine Way. At least they put them in . Shows that they somewhat caring about road visibility unlike Vancouver Surrey or New West where they barely do the bare minimum.

SFUVancouver · #**3991** Posted **May 12, 2021, 3:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

The signs on the approaches to the tunnel say that lighting project cost 25 million. I drove through the tunnel the other night. Where the fvck did the money go? Yes the lighting is improved but that's it. They couldn't even bother to paint shoulder lines in the tunnel. Nor add any cats eyes reflectors on the south end or Deas Slough section. I couldn't believe it. And what's with the section before and after the tunnel with the recessed cats eyes reflectors but the resr of the highway doesn't have that. Another half assed BC road project.

Without any insight, I would imagine a lot more of the money went into invisible infrastructure vs just the new light fixtures. Perhaps new breakers, new conduit, new cables, new automation and management hardware, code update work, etc.? $25 million ain't what it used to be, either, when it comes to civil infrastructure.

flipper316 · #**3992** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 5:49 AM**

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021TRAN...A5r3dsOlHaKG8CbxHguFaXzhxkM-osr4D9VnUsb4

madog222 · #**3993** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 6:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021TRAN...A5r3dsOlHaKG8CbxHguFaXzhxkM-osr4D9VnUsb4

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Government has completed its review of the business case for the new crossing to replace the George Massey Tunnel. Discussions are ongoing with the federal government on cost sharing for this project. Details will be announced when those discussions have completed.

So we’ll be waiting until the next federal election cycle for some funding promises?

vanman · #**3994** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 10:29 AM**

This is going to cost 10 billion dollars by the time it's actually built.

s211 · #**3995** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 2:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by vanman

This is going to cost 10 billion dollars by the time it's actually built.

And reduced to one-lane, reversible, because... you know... climate emergency.

WarrenC12 · #**3996** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 5:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by madog222

So we’ll be waiting until the next federal election cycle for some funding promises?

That's probably this year. It would be nice to see some Federal $$$ for this and UBC Skytrain.

madog222 · #**3997** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

That's probably this year. It would be nice to see some Federal $$$ for this and UBC Skytrain.

UBC hahaha, they’ve yet to commit for the Langley Skytrain!

Klazu · #**3998** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 7:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

And reduced to one-lane, reversible, because... you know... climate emergency.

Time traveler confirmed.

cganuelas1995 · #**3999** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 7:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

And reduced to one-lane, reversible, because... you know... climate emergency.

No no, it will be a pedal-powered ropeway. A two seat swan boat if we have the budget.

cganuelas1995 · #**4000** Posted **Jun 24, 2021, 7:44 AM**

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When will we find out whether the province wants to build a new tunnel or bridge?

That’s the multi-billion dollar question that’s been raised as a business case for a George Massey Tunnel replacement has been submitted by the province to the federal government for funding, but details of that submission, including what option has been chosen and its cost, are not being released to the public.

https://www.delta-optimist.com/local-new...IieEuz9d8-M3xUB778g9dcyAKzKWYEjO3ZKhwffI