Broadway Subway - Millennium Line Extension to Arbutus | U/C

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

A Dunbar station might not be the most used at present, but a line along 41st with a UBC connection could perhaps be justified in that it would provide some relief for the Canada, Millennium and Expo lines. Passengers destined for UBC from Richmond and other points south would leave the Canada Line at 41st instead of Broadway, while commuters from much of Vancouver adjacent to and south of 41st could avoid the Expo and Millennium lines in favour of 41st Street.

Will a line along 41st also involve additional platforms at JC? If the track is going under 41st, I'd imagine additional platforms, maybe a second station under it?

I'd also imagine the next step after a relief line under Boundary perhaps going all the way up to North Van, but now I'm getting carried away.

[Klazu]

The 41st Avenue line would be most useful in cutting down the time between all of eastern Metro and YVR, bypassing Downtown completely. Even with the Broadway Line coming online, getting to the airport is still better done via the 49 bus, which is annoying.

[Klazu]

The 41st Avenue line would be most useful in cutting down the time between all of eastern Metro and YVR, bypassing Downtown completely. Even with the Broadway Line coming online, getting to the airport is still better done via the 49 bus, which is annoying.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I'd also imagine the next step after a relief line under Boundary perhaps going all the way up to North Van, but now I'm getting carried away.

If there's a Burnaby-North Shore line, it'll probably be Willingdon; connecting Metrotown and Brentwood is too good to resist. The 41st line's best bet would be a terminus at BCIT via Moscrop.

And now perhaps we could move all this to the Fantasy thread before a mod steps in?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I'd also imagine the next step after a relief line under Boundary perhaps going all the way up to North Van, but now I'm getting carried away.

If there's a Burnaby-North Shore line, it'll probably be Willingdon; connecting Metrotown and Brentwood is too good to resist. The 41st line's best bet would be a terminus at BCIT via Moscrop.

And now perhaps we could move all this to the Fantasy thread before a mod steps in?

[Aroundtheworld]

For everybody saying "oh this station won't be used much", keep in my mind that even the least busy stations on this extension will still be far busier than most stations on the Evergreen Extension. Yes, they will be more expensive to build but the fact that they are in areas that are already built up with good existing transit ridership leads me to believe it will more than makeup for the extra cost.

[Aroundtheworld]

For everybody saying "oh this station won't be used much", keep in my mind that even the least busy stations on this extension will still be far busier than most stations on the Evergreen Extension. Yes, they will be more expensive to build but the fact that they are in areas that are already built up with good existing transit ridership leads me to believe it will more than makeup for the extra cost.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

...keep in my mind that even the least busy stations on this extension will still be far busier than most stations on the Evergreen Extension.

How do you come to this conclusion? Burquitlam is surrounded by towers, Moody Centre has all the commercial property along with the walkups and mixed density up the hill, Inlet Centre has all those new towers and Newport Village up the way, Coquitlam Centre is surrounded by parking lots so you might have that one, but Lincoln and it have access to Coquitlam Centre and also Lincoln and Lafarge Lake are surrounded by towers. Comparing any of these stations to a theoretical "Macdonald St. Station" or "Dunbar Station" kind of pales in comparison density wise.

You can just look at 99 stop usage to get an idea, I remember there is some feasibility study for the extension that shows almost no one on the 99 uses Sasamat or Alma, and Macdonald is barely used.

Bear in mind, I think UBC is desparately in need of the extension, but the Jericho land densification is crucial to making any of these stops make sense.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

...keep in my mind that even the least busy stations on this extension will still be far busier than most stations on the Evergreen Extension.

How do you come to this conclusion? Burquitlam is surrounded by towers, Moody Centre has all the commercial property along with the walkups and mixed density up the hill, Inlet Centre has all those new towers and Newport Village up the way, Coquitlam Centre is surrounded by parking lots so you might have that one, but Lincoln and it have access to Coquitlam Centre and also Lincoln and Lafarge Lake are surrounded by towers. Comparing any of these stations to a theoretical "Macdonald St. Station" or "Dunbar Station" kind of pales in comparison density wise.

You can just look at 99 stop usage to get an idea, I remember there is some feasibility study for the extension that shows almost no one on the 99 uses Sasamat or Alma, and Macdonald is barely used.

Bear in mind, I think UBC is desparately in need of the extension, but the Jericho land densification is crucial to making any of these stops make sense.

[officedweller]

Everegreen Extension - growth-shaping
UBC Extension - Growth-serving

[officedweller]

Everegreen Extension - growth-shaping
UBC Extension - Growth-serving

[Aroundtheworld]

Originally Posted by chowhou

How do you come to this conclusion? Burquitlam is surrounded by towers, Moody Centre has all the commercial property along with the walkups and mixed density up the hill, Inlet Centre has all those new towers and Newport Village up the way, Coquitlam Centre is surrounded by parking lots so you might have that one, but Lincoln and it have access to Coquitlam Centre and also Lincoln and Lafarge Lake are surrounded by towers. Comparing any of these stations to a theoretical "Macdonald St. Station" or "Dunbar Station" kind of pales in comparison density wise.

You can just look at 99 stop usage to get an idea, I remember there is some feasibility study for the extension that shows almost no one on the 99 uses Sasamat or Alma, and Macdonald is barely used.

Bear in mind, I think UBC is desparately in need of the extension, but the Jericho land densification is crucial to making any of these stops make sense.

I think you underestimate how built-up Vancouver is compared to the Northeast sector. While the western neighbours are mostly single-family housing, most of those houses have multiple households in them. Although some of the station areas in the Northeast sector have highrises near them, much of the land surrounding them is empty or parking lots. They also don't have many people transferring from buses. Macdonald and Alma stations will get significant bus feed-in ridership.

If you don't believe me, have a look at Translink's own data. They don't show how many people board the 99 B-Line at the equivalent Skytrain stations but I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't close to Evergreen station levels right now.

[Aroundtheworld]

Originally Posted by chowhou

How do you come to this conclusion? Burquitlam is surrounded by towers, Moody Centre has all the commercial property along with the walkups and mixed density up the hill, Inlet Centre has all those new towers and Newport Village up the way, Coquitlam Centre is surrounded by parking lots so you might have that one, but Lincoln and it have access to Coquitlam Centre and also Lincoln and Lafarge Lake are surrounded by towers. Comparing any of these stations to a theoretical "Macdonald St. Station" or "Dunbar Station" kind of pales in comparison density wise.

You can just look at 99 stop usage to get an idea, I remember there is some feasibility study for the extension that shows almost no one on the 99 uses Sasamat or Alma, and Macdonald is barely used.

Bear in mind, I think UBC is desparately in need of the extension, but the Jericho land densification is crucial to making any of these stops make sense.

I think you underestimate how built-up Vancouver is compared to the Northeast sector. While the western neighbours are mostly single-family housing, most of those houses have multiple households in them. Although some of the station areas in the Northeast sector have highrises near them, much of the land surrounding them is empty or parking lots. They also don't have many people transferring from buses. Macdonald and Alma stations will get significant bus feed-in ridership.

If you don't believe me, have a look at Translink's own data. They don't show how many people board the 99 B-Line at the equivalent Skytrain stations but I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't close to Evergreen station levels right now.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Either way, we're talking about 41st three decades from now; Crofton Manor's already redeveloping, and you can guarantee the Dunbar Loop "village" will be right behind it.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Either way, we're talking about 41st three decades from now; Crofton Manor's already redeveloping, and you can guarantee the Dunbar Loop "village" will be right behind it.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

I think you underestimate how built-up Vancouver is compared to the Northeast sector. While the western neighbours are mostly single-family housing, most of those houses have multiple households in them. Although some of the station areas in the Northeast sector have highrises near them, much of the land surrounding them is empty or parking lots. They also don't have many people transferring from buses. Macdonald and Alma stations will get significant bus feed-in ridership.

I found the business case from 2012, it's basically what I said.






https://skytrain.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploa...tudy-Phase-2-Alternatives-Evaluation.pdf

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

I think you underestimate how built-up Vancouver is compared to the Northeast sector. While the western neighbours are mostly single-family housing, most of those houses have multiple households in them. Although some of the station areas in the Northeast sector have highrises near them, much of the land surrounding them is empty or parking lots. They also don't have many people transferring from buses. Macdonald and Alma stations will get significant bus feed-in ridership.

I found the business case from 2012, it's basically what I said.






https://skytrain.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploa...tudy-Phase-2-Alternatives-Evaluation.pdf

[Jimbo604]

All these "stations everywhere" fantasy posts belong in the transit fantasies thread.

[Jimbo604]

All these "stations everywhere" fantasy posts belong in the transit fantasies thread.

[Migrant_Coconut]

In fairness, that's the westbound graph - not a lot of Point Grey/West Kitsilano residents going to UBC. I'd be curious to see what the nonexistent eastbound graph looks like.