Broadway Subway - Millennium Line Extension to Arbutus | U/C

[Jimbo604]

Yes yes, with enough time and money anything is possible even a multitude of infill stations. Water is wet and so on.

Let's hear your station list predictions for stage-1 (if it ever starts).

Here's mine, THREE:

- Macdonald
- Alma
- UBC (Wesbrook Mall & University Blvd)

[Migrant_Coconut]

TransLink's own commissioned study (page 136) is aiming for FOUR, presumably UBC, Sasamat, Alma and Macdonald. Ballpark is $50-100M each against a $3,500M total budget.

[Migrant_Coconut]

TransLink's own commissioned study (page 136) is aiming for FOUR, presumably UBC, Sasamat, Alma and Macdonald. Ballpark is $50-100M each against a $3,500M total budget.

[dleung]

I only see 4 stations as well: UBC, Jericho (future), Alma, Macdonald



Wesbrook would be nice, but requires curving onto East Mall and shifting UBC station further out from centre of campus, and it's better for UBC to be the terminus station

[dleung]

I only see 4 stations as well: UBC, Jericho (future), Alma, Macdonald



Wesbrook would be nice, but requires curving onto East Mall and shifting UBC station further out from centre of campus, and it's better for UBC to be the terminus station

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by dleung

I only see 4 stations as well: UBC, Jericho (future), Alma, Macdonald

Wesbrook would be nice, but requires curving onto East Mall and shifting UBC station further out from centre of campus, and it's better for UBC to be the terminus station

Agreed with the siting of the Jericho Lands station.

For UBC Station, there was a post ages ago that said a station would be built on the site of The Wesbrook Building (the Microbiology bldg backin my day) and the guideway would round the corner and head down East Mall to Wesbrook Village, so your 2nd map looks right, except the curve may have a straight section in the middle for the UBC station.
[EDIT - the Hive story below suggests the station would be to the east of the cut-through the Wesbrook Bldg site]

I'm also thinking the UBC section would be elevated away from University Blvd (to preserve the ceremonial entry to campus), but no clear indication either way.

I would also expect Wesbrook Village Station to point in the direction of SW Marine Drive (ie towards 41st Ave.)

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

TransLink's own commissioned study (page 136) is aiming for FOUR, presumably UBC, Sasamat, Alma and Macdonald. Ballpark is $50-100M each against a $3,500M total budget.

Here's a Daily Hive story from January 2019 - probably in response to the study posted by Migrant Coconut (January 2019):

UBC SkyTrain route options examined along 8th Avenue and East Mall
Kenneth Chan
Jan 24 2019, 7:03 am
....

But west of Alma Street within Point Grey, the University Endowment Lands (UEL), and UBC, the route is far from certain and obvious at this early stage of planning.

According to the findings of the new detailed technical analysis released by TransLink earlier this week, rapid transit west of Arbutus Street to UBC needs to be SkyTrain to ensure the system is built with future-proof capacity. The final decision on rail technology lies with the Mayors’ Council.
...


The analysis briefly examines the routing of this concept by extending the more affordable elevated guideway option that begins just west of Blanca Street. From the UBC central station at University Boulevard just east of East Mall, the elevated guideway would turn south onto east mall by running through the existing Wesbrook Building, which is ageing and slated for future redevelopment.

The Wesbrook Building is at the southeast corner of the intersection of University Boulevard and East Mall. By using the building’s site, trains could run at “a higher speed through this segment and would also help to minimize noise and vibration effects,” reads the report.

Travelling south on the East Mall, the guideway would run on the east side of this local street, which is narrow with just two lanes and bordered by buildings for the first 600 metres between University Boulevard and Thunderbird Boulevard.

Once it reaches Thunderbird Boulevard, the guideway would transition onto the median on the wider portion of East Mall between Thunderbird Boulevard and West 16th Avenue.

The second station would be located in the area just north of the intersection of East Mall and West 16th Avenue, just north of Wesbrook Village.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/ubc-skytrain-route-options

Here are the excerpts:


https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...pid_transit_study_jan_2019.pdf#view=fitH

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...pid_transit_study_jan_2019.pdf#view=fitH

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by dleung

I only see 4 stations as well: UBC, Jericho (future), Alma, Macdonald

Wesbrook would be nice, but requires curving onto East Mall and shifting UBC station further out from centre of campus, and it's better for UBC to be the terminus station

Agreed with the siting of the Jericho Lands station.

For UBC Station, there was a post ages ago that said a station would be built on the site of The Wesbrook Building (the Microbiology bldg backin my day) and the guideway would round the corner and head down East Mall to Wesbrook Village, so your 2nd map looks right, except the curve may have a straight section in the middle for the UBC station.
[EDIT - the Hive story below suggests the station would be to the east of the cut-through the Wesbrook Bldg site]

I'm also thinking the UBC section would be elevated away from University Blvd (to preserve the ceremonial entry to campus), but no clear indication either way.

I would also expect Wesbrook Village Station to point in the direction of SW Marine Drive (ie towards 41st Ave.)

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

TransLink's own commissioned study (page 136) is aiming for FOUR, presumably UBC, Sasamat, Alma and Macdonald. Ballpark is $50-100M each against a $3,500M total budget.

Here's a Daily Hive story from January 2019 - probably in response to the study posted by Migrant Coconut (January 2019):

UBC SkyTrain route options examined along 8th Avenue and East Mall
Kenneth Chan
Jan 24 2019, 7:03 am
....

But west of Alma Street within Point Grey, the University Endowment Lands (UEL), and UBC, the route is far from certain and obvious at this early stage of planning.

According to the findings of the new detailed technical analysis released by TransLink earlier this week, rapid transit west of Arbutus Street to UBC needs to be SkyTrain to ensure the system is built with future-proof capacity. The final decision on rail technology lies with the Mayors’ Council.
...


The analysis briefly examines the routing of this concept by extending the more affordable elevated guideway option that begins just west of Blanca Street. From the UBC central station at University Boulevard just east of East Mall, the elevated guideway would turn south onto east mall by running through the existing Wesbrook Building, which is ageing and slated for future redevelopment.

The Wesbrook Building is at the southeast corner of the intersection of University Boulevard and East Mall. By using the building’s site, trains could run at “a higher speed through this segment and would also help to minimize noise and vibration effects,” reads the report.

Travelling south on the East Mall, the guideway would run on the east side of this local street, which is narrow with just two lanes and bordered by buildings for the first 600 metres between University Boulevard and Thunderbird Boulevard.

Once it reaches Thunderbird Boulevard, the guideway would transition onto the median on the wider portion of East Mall between Thunderbird Boulevard and West 16th Avenue.

The second station would be located in the area just north of the intersection of East Mall and West 16th Avenue, just north of Wesbrook Village.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/ubc-skytrain-route-options

Here are the excerpts:


https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...pid_transit_study_jan_2019.pdf#view=fitH

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...pid_transit_study_jan_2019.pdf#view=fitH

[dleung]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Agreed with the siting of the Jericho Lands station.

For UBC Station, there was a post ages ago that said a station would be built on the site of The Wesbrook Building (the Microbiology bldg backin my day) and the guideway would round the corner and head down East Mall to Wesbrook Village, so your 2nd map looks right, except the curve may have a straight section in the middle for the UBC station.
[EDIT - the Hive story below suggests the station would be to the east of the cut-through the Wesbrook Bldg site]

I'm also thinking the UBC section would be elevated away from University Blvd (to preserve the ceremonial entry to campus), but no clear indication either way.

I would also expect Wesbrook Village Station to point in the direction of SW Marine Drive (ie towards 41st Ave.)

I was thinking that University Blvd between East Mall and Wesbrook Mall could become a glass-covered plaza, with an open trench for a sun-lit station platform and multiple pedestrian crossings at plaza level The station wants to be fairly close to the bus loop for transfers.

I think it'll be hard to justify the 41st ave subway ever going west of Kerrisdale

[dleung]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Agreed with the siting of the Jericho Lands station.

For UBC Station, there was a post ages ago that said a station would be built on the site of The Wesbrook Building (the Microbiology bldg backin my day) and the guideway would round the corner and head down East Mall to Wesbrook Village, so your 2nd map looks right, except the curve may have a straight section in the middle for the UBC station.
[EDIT - the Hive story below suggests the station would be to the east of the cut-through the Wesbrook Bldg site]

I'm also thinking the UBC section would be elevated away from University Blvd (to preserve the ceremonial entry to campus), but no clear indication either way.

I would also expect Wesbrook Village Station to point in the direction of SW Marine Drive (ie towards 41st Ave.)

I was thinking that University Blvd between East Mall and Wesbrook Mall could become a glass-covered plaza, with an open trench for a sun-lit station platform and multiple pedestrian crossings at plaza level The station wants to be fairly close to the bus loop for transfers.

I think it'll be hard to justify the 41st ave subway ever going west of Kerrisdale

[Migrant_Coconut]

Perhaps, but it'd be equally hard to justify a half-SkyTrain, half-RapidBus solution for 41st. Might as well keep the R4 all the way to Joyce until there's demand in Wesbrook Village and Southlands.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Perhaps, but it'd be equally hard to justify a half-SkyTrain, half-RapidBus solution for 41st. Might as well keep the R4 all the way to Joyce until there's demand in Wesbrook Village and Southlands.

[Klazu]

SkyTrain between Joyce and Kerrisdale would be great already. Have that connect with buses to UBC. Kerrisdale as it is, is so disconnected transportation wise.

[Klazu]

SkyTrain between Joyce and Kerrisdale would be great already. Have that connect with buses to UBC. Kerrisdale as it is, is so disconnected transportation wise.

[mcminsen]

I go to Kerrisdale every Thursday. Have been doing that for many years now and I appreciate how fast and easy it is. Great connections.

I take the Canada Line from downtown to Oakridge and then the R4 express bus to Kerrisdale. Once I'm done in Kerrisdale I like the options to head in any direction. Very quick on the express bus to get to UBC. Very quick to to just head back to Oakridge. Or sometimes I go north to Arbutus and Broadway. All very well connected.

[mcminsen]

I go to Kerrisdale every Thursday. Have been doing that for many years now and I appreciate how fast and easy it is. Great connections.

I take the Canada Line from downtown to Oakridge and then the R4 express bus to Kerrisdale. Once I'm done in Kerrisdale I like the options to head in any direction. Very quick on the express bus to get to UBC. Very quick to to just head back to Oakridge. Or sometimes I go north to Arbutus and Broadway. All very well connected.

[djh]

To make it easier to visualise potential routes of the UBC extension, I made a Google Map of the potential extension.
It's way easier to actually *see* where places are in relation to potential stops, so I've added all of the major upcoming developments, transit-oriented destinations, and points of interest within a reasonable radius of the route. If there's any I've left out, please feel free to add to the map.

It would be great if we could add the potential alternative routes discussed here to the map, so that we can see their validity with respect to future growth around the route. It might also make it easier to debug benefits and problems when looking at the route, using both a satellite and Street view level.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1mAsHWUFB1H8HgqLadwucF-N-ZCTfemJd&usp=sharing

[djh]

To make it easier to visualise potential routes of the UBC extension, I made a Google Map of the potential extension.
It's way easier to actually *see* where places are in relation to potential stops, so I've added all of the major upcoming developments, transit-oriented destinations, and points of interest within a reasonable radius of the route. If there's any I've left out, please feel free to add to the map.

It would be great if we could add the potential alternative routes discussed here to the map, so that we can see their validity with respect to future growth around the route. It might also make it easier to debug benefits and problems when looking at the route, using both a satellite and Street view level.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1mAsHWUFB1H8HgqLadwucF-N-ZCTfemJd&usp=sharing

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by dleung

...I think it'll be hard to justify the 41st ave subway ever going west of Kerrisdale

A Dunbar station might not be the most used at present, but a line along 41st with a UBC connection could perhaps be justified in that it would provide some relief for the Canada, Millennium and Expo lines. Passengers destined for UBC from Richmond and other points south would leave the Canada Line at 41st instead of Broadway, while commuters from much of Vancouver adjacent to and south of 41st could avoid the Expo and Millennium lines in favour of 41st Street.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by dleung

...I think it'll be hard to justify the 41st ave subway ever going west of Kerrisdale

A Dunbar station might not be the most used at present, but a line along 41st with a UBC connection could perhaps be justified in that it would provide some relief for the Canada, Millennium and Expo lines. Passengers destined for UBC from Richmond and other points south would leave the Canada Line at 41st instead of Broadway, while commuters from much of Vancouver adjacent to and south of 41st could avoid the Expo and Millennium lines in favour of 41st Street.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

A Dunbar station might not be the most used at present, but a line along 41st with a UBC connection could perhaps be justified in that it would provide some relief for the Canada, Millennium and Expo lines. Passengers destined for UBC from Richmond and other points south would leave the Canada Line at 41st instead of Broadway, while commuters from much of Vancouver adjacent to and south of 41st could avoid the Expo and Millennium lines in favour of 41st Street.

Will a line along 41st also involve additional platforms at JC? If the track is going under 41st, I'd imagine additional platforms, maybe a second station under it?

I'd also imagine the next step after a relief line under Boundary perhaps going all the way up to North Van, but now I'm getting carried away.