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Old Posted May 13, 2021, 5:46 PM
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If I was a betting man, I would put my money on megabus, since they already run the Toronto-Montreal bus, but anything is possible. Judging by the number of buses per day (pre COVID) I think Ottawa-Montreal was one of Greyhound's more successful routes.
For Ottawa <> Montreal, it could also be Orleans Express (they already run the Montreal <> Quebec City bus, they're part of transport giant Keolis) or Limocar (they're part of the competing transport giant Transdev and run the Montreal <> Bromont <> Sherbrooke bus)
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My intuition was good. Only a few hours after writing the post just above, I received a survey by email from Orléans Express - Keolis. They asked if I would use a Ottawa-Montreal service if they were to create one, how often I’d use it, etc.
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Didn't take long to get our answer.

Megabus has added Ottawa to it's network offering routes between Toronto, Scarborough, Kingston and Ottawa

They will operate out of St Laurent Station.

4 days a weeks. Service starts May 20th

The first week of service is FREE

The rates seem to then be $30 to Kingston and $50 to Toronto and Scarborough. (each way)

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/megabus-coming...ns-LNIvYmXsARBOP0mppiFw12uxLSBVyRIisbsIs

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OTTAWA -- One day after Greyhound Canada announced it is shutting down operations in Canada, Megabus says it is coming to Ottawa.

The new service will offer routes between Toronto, Scarborough, Kingston and Ottawa, filling a void left by Greyhound’s absence.

The double-decker service will operate from St. Laurent Station four days a week, Thursday through Sunday.


Tickets are now on sale for travel starting May 20. All tickets on the new Ottawa route will be free for the first week of service, the company said in a news release.

Ontario is in a stay-at-home order and the province is discouraging travel.

Megabus said it’s also offering an empty seat guarantee, enhanced cleaning and ticket flexibility during the pandemic.

On Thursday, Greyhound Canada said it was shutting down all bus service permanently.

Last October, Greyhound ceased operations from the Ottawa central bus station on Catherine Street. In February, developer Brigil said it had bought the property with a plan to redevelop it.
I note Montreal and Trudeau airport remains an unfilled service void.
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Megabus adds service to Ottawa, filling void left by Greyhound's exit

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: May 14, 2021 • 22 minutes ago • 1 minute read




A bus company has stepped up to offer service in Ottawa, just a day after Greyhound announced it was ending all its Canadian operations.

Megabus.com announced Friday that it would add Ottawa to its existing service, with stops in Kingston, Scarborough and Toronto.

Tickets went on sale Friday with service beginning on May 20. The company is offering free trips for the first week of service.

Megabus will operate out of St. Laurent Station with service running four days a week, from Thursday to Sunday.

During the pandemic, the company is offering an “empty seat guarantee” to ensure travellers aren’t seated side-by-side, as well as enhanced cleaning between runs. Face masks are required on board.

The company was founded in the United Kingdom in 2003 and expanded to the U.S. in 2006 and Canada in 2009. It operates a Montreal-Toronto run in wi-fi equipped double-decker buses.

Tickets can be booked at https://ca.megabus.com/

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...awa-filling-void-left-by-greyhounds-exit
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My intuition was good. Only a few hours after writing the post just above, I received a survey by email from Orléans Express - Keolis. They asked if I would use a Ottawa-Montreal service if they were to create one, how often I’d use it, etc.
Orléans Express is definitely a possibility to Montreal. They could even offer same-bus service all the way to Quebec City.

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Didn't take long to get our answer.

Megabus has added Ottawa to it's network offering routes between Toronto, Scarborough, Kingston and Ottawa

They will operate out of St Laurent Station.

4 days a weeks. Service starts May 20th

The first week of service is FREE

The rates seem to then be $30 to Kingston and $50 to Toronto and Scarborough. (each way)

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/megabus-coming...ns-LNIvYmXsARBOP0mppiFw12uxLSBVyRIisbsIs



I note Montreal and Trudeau airport remains an unfilled service void.
4 days a week. I imagine eventually this will increase to 7-8 times a day. I wonder what route they'll take? If everything stops in Kingston, might be 417/416/401 vs 417/7/15/401.

I wonder if they'll use double deckers to Ottawa?
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The rates seem to then be $30 to Kingston and $50 to Toronto and Scarborough. (each way)
Reminder that Ottawa-Toronto on VIA Rail costs the same $50 if you buy your ticket at least a week in advance.
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Canadian bus companies have plans to fill the gap left by Greyhound
From East and West Canada's bus companies say they're ready to ride to the rescue

Don Pittis · CBC News
Posted: May 15, 2021 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 5 hours ago


Almost every Canadian of a certain age can remember the first long bus ride that took them off on a youthful adventure.

In the case of your correspondent, part of that journey as a tender 17-year-old was on the exotically named Grey Goose Lines, which dropped me on a lonely highway somewhere east of Atikokan, Ont., for a summer job as a junior forest ranger.

While Greyhound Canada's announcement of its final departure from Southern Ontario and Quebec this week may have come as a shock to people who depend on the service, those in the know say the company's loss may have a silver lining.

Early reports that the 'Hound's disappearance sounds the death knell for an outmoded system of transportation are simply not true, said Terence Johnson, national president of Transport Action Canada.

Buses still matter, for people who don't drive or have access to a car, and to connect communities where airlines are too expensive or non-existent.

Now, Johnson says Greyhound's departure could be the catalyst for a new coast-to-coast bus network formed by an interlocking group of domestic bus companies from both east and west — provided the federal government is ready to help.

"A lot of Canadian companies don't mind seeing the back of Greyhound," said Johnson, who see's the bounce-back following the pandemic as a moment to transform and improve Canada's transportation system.

That transformation may not be immediate. Johnson said there may be a shakeout period as new bus services fill the gap left by the U.S. carrier, at a time when they're already struggling with a crash in traffic due to COVID-19 restrictions.

But these are not inexperienced start-ups. They're established regional players, and when you start looking, there are more of them than you might realize.

Already, companies across the country are looking at how to get a piece of what they see as the lucrative Central Canadian market for both passenger service and parcel delivery.

Just as Grey Goose Lines expanded out of a small startup in the 1920s in Sperling, Man., before being ultimately swallowed up by Greyhound and closed, there appears to be no shortage of strong regional companies looking take Greyhound's place.

"Rider Express is coming to Ontario and Quebec," says a notice on company's website posted on the same day Greyhound announced it was pulling out.

"As a truly Canadian company, Rider Express will be able to connect across Canada with a single bus ticket."

But how could a company that started small in Saskatchewan after the province cancelled the money-losing provincial Saskatchewan Transportation Company in 2017 make money where Greyhound could not?

According to Rider's general manager, Omer Kanca, after years of serving relatively sparsely peopled routes between Vancouver and Winnipeg, the Windsor–Toronto–Montreal corridor will be rich pickings.

"The fact that we achieve ... this in these areas itself proves that our business model is much better than Greyhound," said Kanca.

In partnership with Ontario Northland bus service based in North Bay, Kanca says Rider will be able to provide integrated service from the West right up to the edge of Atlantic Canada, a system that he is expecting to have running by summer.

"We are ready," said Kanca on the phone Friday. "We have buses waiting to be put in service."

Rider Express is not the only company with its eye on Greyhound's abandoned routes. Insiders say there were many reasons the U.S. company withdrew, but one was that as of July 1, the Ontario government is deregulating bus service in the province's well-travelled southern routes. That would open the way for any company that can get a licence to operate.

John Stepovy, director of business development at Edmonton-based Pacific Western Transportation, which operates EBus and Red Arrow on routes in Western Canada, says the company is looking into launching a service in Ontario.

Operating under Alberta's deregulated system since 2011, Pacific Western is prepared to compete. But it also sees value in cooperation with companies that understand their regional markets.

"We're continuing to look for opportunities to expand the service and to work with other regional carriers for connections," said Stepovy.

A system for coordinating with strong regional players like Pacific Western is exactly what Mike Cassidy, the owner of Coach Atlantic Maritime Bus, has in mind.

Cassidy hopes to create a coordinated national bus network, with regional bus services across the country and with cooperation from the federal government. Companies already in talks include Pacific Western, Kasper, which operates in Manitoba and Northwestern Ontario, and Cassidy's Coach Atlantic.

"For the last six months ... we've been presenting a coast-to-coast bus coalition where you do not give total responsibility for a trans-Canada bus line to one particular company," said Cassidy.

Part of his plan would see some kind of government subsidies for the capital costs of inter-city buses similar to the money given to urban bus services.

The idea is not to just cherry pick the lucrative routes but to provide a cost effective service, connecting a backbone cross-country network to regional participants offering routes to small and Indigenous communities.

Using a shared system of software, Cassidy foresees a system where passengers will be able to move seamlessly from carrier to carrier. It would also offer each local operator access to the lucrative package delivery system traditionally run by bus services.

One of the advantages of such a network of parts, says Transport Action's Johnson, is that the system would be less likely to collapse because one company failed. He said Greyhound seemed to think it was too big to fail and deserved federal handouts to keep going.

Johnson, like many others across the country, believes the federal government must be involved to help coordinate an inter-provincial transportation service that integrates urban and inter-urban systems to serve all Canadians.

"There is a great deal of finessing of this relationship to make it all work properly for the person who matters, the passenger, the Canadian, who wants to go from Corner Brook to Sudbury to go to university," said Johnson.

"She should be able to buy a ticket and know all those connections are going to work, and it should be easy."

—with files from James Dunne
Follow Don Pittis on Twitter @don_pittis


https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/greyhound-bus-column-don-pittis-1.6026564
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Old Posted May 16, 2021, 1:48 AM
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Greyhound's departure clears the road for others
Governments don't need to immediately jump in and 'solve' the problems of intercity transportation.

Ottawa Citizen Editorial Board
Publishing date: May 15, 2021 • 14 hours ago • 2 minute read


Greyhound Canada, which shut its Canadian operations temporarily last year, is making the pullout permanent. The first reaction, typically Canadian, has been to demand that government do something.

What? Subsidize a new intercity bus industry? Or outright organize a national service? We have become so used to government bailouts that we assume this is the solution.

Is it? After all, we do have “real world” data (to borrow a phrase from COVID experts) to see what might happen next. In 2018, Greyhound permanently pulled out of Western and Northern Canada. Its service was never universally applauded, but the lack left a vacuum — and several other companies rolled in, trying for a piece of the market previously blocked by Greyhound’s dominance.

Edmonton-based Cold Shot, for instance, took a stab at expansion, including hiring many unemployed Greyhound drivers. Calgary-based Pacific Western also moved in, as did others. On popular routes, some companies reported that there was suddenly too much competition. Meanwhile, problems that existed before still do, such as skimpy service in remote areas. Indigenous communities in particular have felt the gap. The intercity transit landscape is still sorting itself out.

As it does so, it is not immediately clear how Big Brother’s intervention, now that Ontario and Quebec are losing Greyhound too, would provide any better options.

Competition can serve consumers well, and staying out of the way — at least to start — so that other bus operators can rev their engines may be government’s wisest course, particularly in an economy made vulnerable by the pandemic. Ontario had already planned to deregulate aspects of intercity bus travel this summer in order to boost competition. Removing red tape helps smaller, entry-level companies. And other models of intercity transit, such as organized ride-sharing, may emerge as affordable alternatives.

Meanwhile, for the city of Ottawa, already without a central bus station, preliminary plans to adapt a light-rail station as an intercity bus hub remain perfectly viable. The bus company involved needn’t be Greyhound. In fact, Megabus.com said Friday it is adding an Ottawa leg to one of its routes.

Something else about buses, though: they are not the most climate-friendly way to shuttle people around. Ottawa’s Jim Watson recently joined three other mayors in asking the federal government to get behind VIA Rail’s high-frequency rail project, calling it a plan “that will support a green and inclusive recovery for our cities and regions.” The federal government is listening. If it wants to move people between cities more effectively, it should focus less on buses and more on rail.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/editorial-greyhounds-departure-clears-the-road-for-others
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Even as Megabus steps in, Greyhound closure leaves many passengers 'stuck'
Greyhound shutting down service across Canada permanently

Nicole Williams · CBC News
Posted: May 16, 2021 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: May 16


The shutdown of Greyhound bus routes across Canada has left people without affordable transit according to anti-poverty and student advocates in Ottawa, even as another company adds routes west of the city.

On Thursday, Greyhound Canada announced it was permanently shutting down all of its remaining bus routes in Canada after a year of suspended service because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Just a day later, Megabus announced it would be adding a stop in Ottawa, providing service to Toronto, Scarborough and Kingston, but officials with the company said it had no current plans to replace service east of the city.

Some in Ottawa say that leaves a significant gap in mobility for those who need it most.

"It's quite unfortunate," said Emilly Renaud, the national co-ordinator for Canada Without Poverty, a non-profit anti-poverty organization based in Ottawa.

"So many rely on Greyhound, either because Via Rail or other transportation services in their communities are a lot less affordable."

Renaud said groups like women fleeing domestic violence, including Indigenous women, use services like Greyhound because it's affordable, and not having routes across the country is "borderline a human rights issue."

Students from Quebec or the Maritimes also need affordable transit, said Tim Gulliver, student union president for the University of Ottawa.

"This is a significant loss for students," he said. "What we're going to see, especially after the pandemic, is an inability of students to get home."

Being left with no option but to pay for "the cost of a plane ticket or a train ticket, those financial constraints become even even tougher."

Gulliver himself would ride a Greyhound bus to visit his home in Sherbrooke, Que. He said now he will have to look for alternate arrangements.

Both Renaud and Gulliver called on the federal government to establish or subsidize a national transit service.

"This could be an opportunity for the government to step in and work with Megabus to ensure that routes aren't just in the most profitable areas, because that is actually how a private sector is going to run," said Renaud.

She said government has a responsibility to make transportation to communities across Canada as accessible as possible so "people can have the freedom to move ... and access services and employment and not have to be stuck."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/greyhound-closure-students-low-income-passengers-1.6027668
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Have these people forgotten that we are in the middle of a pandemic and Greyhound hasn't operated any of these routes since shortly after it began a year ago? Give it a few months for us to pull out of the pandemic and for the dust to settle. The fact that megabus is starting up a replacement route before the pandemic is over is a good sign.
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There was a Megabus circling St Laurent station today for apparently training purposes. Double decker. The stop will likely be at the far east end.
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With Greyhound gone, let’s replace it with a national public intercity operator
How can the country trust private firms to run frequent, affordable routes for those who need them most?

David Moscrop, Canadian Dimension
May 16, 2021


After serving Canadians with varying degrees of success for the better part of a century, Greyhound Canada has elected to cease serving them at all. On May 13, the intercity coach service ended its routes in the country for good. The national press release discussed the “decision rationale” for closing up shop. The company looked back to 2018 and its suspended services in the west, citing “years of declining ridership and the impact of a changing and increasingly challenging transportation environment, including de-regulation and subsidized competition such as VIA Rail and publicly owned bus systems.” Then, it pointed the finger at the pandemic and a 95 percent drop in ridership along with “negligible” support from the public purse. In short, the private market space was untenable.

Claiming competition is a barrier to operation and then complaining that governments aren’t subsidizing your company enough is classic capitalist logic. Vampiric and inconsistent with the purported values of a “free market,” Greyhound, which has rolled on public roadways in the country since 1929, has at least admitted to market failure. Further parsing the absurdities of the company’s decision rationale is surplus effort to the broader point: it couldn’t extract the desired profit, so it folded. Good riddance. Let its ashes blow away and let’s replace it with a national public intercity operator—perhaps integrated with existing and, one hopes, soon greatly improved, public rail service.

The case for a national, public intercity bus service is clear and irrefutable. Across the country, especially in rural and northern cities and towns and Indigenous communities, we require safe, affordable, accessible, and consistent transportation. Canadians have a moral right to preserve their communities and a legal right to move about the country. But without access to transportation beyond automobiles, that right is undermined in many localities to the point that it has become non-existent.

Bus service is also a matter of personal safety. The National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, in its Master List of Report Recommendations, cited a “need for more frequent and accessible transportation services to be made available to Indigenous women.” The cited theme drew on over a half-dozen reports stretching back to 2003, including the 2006 Highway of Tears Symposium Report. Between 1970 and 2020, dozens of women—mostly Indigenous—went missing or were murdered along northern British Columbia’s Highway 16. Indeed, national intercity bus service is essential to protecting women fleeing abuse throughout the country. It is also crucial for many who need to access medical care or other appointments outside their communities. The same holds for visiting family. That these critical needs were ever subjected to the market imperative in the first place is a stain on the country. Now we have a chance to do better and we should take it.

In the aftermath of the Greyhound shutdown, regional bus services across the country have indicated an interest in filling the gap. But how can the country trust private firms to fulfill an essential service that has been abandoned before and risks being abandoned again to the vicissitudes of the market and acts of God? How can the country trust private firms to run frequent, affordable intercity routes for those who need them most, not just to populated centres? We can’t. Full stop. Nor should we try. Instead, we ought to adopt a national service, complemented as needed by regional bus services and a mix of national and local rail.

The Amalgamated Transit Union is now organizing to create just such a thing, calling for “national intercity public transit service now” and organizing a letter writing campaign (I am among the hundreds of senders). The word to watch here is national. While transportation policy within a given province is a provincial responsibility, cross-border travel is a federal responsibility. Naturally, there is no reason that sub-national jurisdictions can’t operate bus services within their territory alongside federal rail and regional commuter transit. Some already do. But the country, quite plainly, needs a more reliable and accessible transportation network and the private sector is incapable of delivering that—certainly without massive subsidies, at any rate. And if the state is going to have to pay for the service to operate anyway, why not go the whole way?

A national public intercity service, especially if supported by regional public services, would make for a welcome system dedicated to the public interest rather than the profit motive. Moreover, it’s a fine moment to adapt and build out our regional and national transit system in the service of meeting—even exceeding—our climate targets. The Pembina Institute argues public transportation—and public support for it—must be part of our decarbonization efforts, citing the fact that a quarter of our national emissions come from the transportation sector. Worse still, those emissions are on the rise.

Canada is already investing in electrifying local public transit buses and school buses. Once more, why not go the whole way? In fact, why not make the effort part of the country’s pandemic recovery plan? At this point, the idea ought not to even qualify as a “big” or “bold” initiative, to draw a couple of adjectives from the centrist technocratic lexicon. Why not adopt a fossil fueled-powered service now for immediate needs and build out an electric service later? Generate local, provincial, and national capacity. Support companies that contribute to social goods. Create and support jobs. The technological capacity is not yet where we need it to be for our national purpose, but the idea itself is nowhere near novel and there’s more than enough capacity to get started.

The details of how we might design a national public intercity system alongside regional systems are important, but for the moment the principle of the idea matters most. So will public support and political will. If we wish to pursue this idea, and we ought to, we will have to sort out jurisdictional and technological issues, not to mention logistical considerations that exceed the paygrade of a politics writer for hire. But lest we default to sleepwalking into “market solutions” that will merely burn us once more down the road, we should toss our cap over the wall and commit to a national public intercity system now.

David Moscrop is a contributing columnist for the Washington Post and the author of Too Dumb for Democracy? Why We Make Bad Political Decisions and How We Can Make Better Ones. He is a political commentator for television, radio, and print media. He is also the host of Open To Debate, a current affairs podcast. He holds a PhD in political science from the University of British Columbia.

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I understand why the Amalgamated Transit Union would like to see a "national intercity public transit service" to ensure the drivers are union members; however, I would rather see a "national intercity public transit system" which is a network of private and public inter-city bustransportation operators with integrated ticketing and operations. This way each region (not necessarily province) has better control over what level of service they have based on local needs. This system should include VIA Rail as a member to allow seamless train/bus transfers.

The national system could financially support interprovincial routes and leave the financial support of the intraprovincial routes to the provinces and territories.

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I would agree with that!
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I expect we need more "living-wage" jobs, which requires unionization.
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Have these people forgotten that we are in the middle of a pandemic and Greyhound hasn't operated any of these routes since shortly after it began a year ago? Give it a few months for us to pull out of the pandemic and for the dust to settle. The fact that megabus is starting up a replacement route before the pandemic is over is a good sign.
The fact that there's only an outcry when the service is officially terminated and not this whole time says a lot. They care more about the status of having service, than the service itself.
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The fact that there's only an outcry when the service is officially terminated and not this whole time says a lot. They care more about the status of having service, than the service itself.
Meh, I think you are ignoring the effect of the pandemic. While some arrogant, self centred, idiot scum of the earth are continuing to travel between cities for vacations and to visit family, most people are following the rules and staying at home. Not having intercity bus service when you aren’t allowed to use it isn’t much of an inconvenience, but knowing there isn’t ever going to be service when you are allowed to travel again is a whole other kettle of fish.

Don’t forget students are a major user of intercity buses and all the universities have been had remote learning for the past year.
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There was a Megabus circling St Laurent station today for apparently training purposes. Double decker. The stop will likely be at the far east end.
With 3/4 of the bus stops at St. Laurent station no longer in use, there's ample room for Megabus to set up shop. I still think co-locating buses at the train station would be optimal...and it would be an easy 5 minute drive to pit stop at the St. Laurent mall before hitting the Queensway.
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Meh, I think you are ignoring the effect of the pandemic. While some arrogant, self centred, idiot scum of the earth are continuing to travel between cities for vacations and to visit family, most people are following the rules and staying at home. Not having intercity bus service when you aren’t allowed to use it isn’t much of an inconvenience, but knowing there isn’t ever going to be service when you are allowed to travel again is a whole other kettle of fish.

Don’t forget students are a major user of intercity buses and all the universities have been had remote learning for the past year.
Very true. Keep in mind a few dozen people a day would commute regularly on the Montreal-Ottawa route. (including a colleague of mine that lives on the West Island and would commute into downtown Ottawa 3x/week). Given Quebec bus routes are still regulated, the Quebec government will decide on who gets Ottawa-Montreal, which was undoubtedly Greyhound's most profitable route. I bet Orléans Express is a front runner.
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