Regina Construction III - Page 539

Stormer · #**10761** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by pappcam

I mean, isn't that the purpose of building a new arena? Brandt Centre is basically 45 years old so something will need to be done at some point. Building a 15,000 seat stadium when the main tenant struggles to draw 5,000 is a tough sell.

New Mosiac is basically a shinier Taylor Field with 10% more seats.

Mosaic is a massive upgrade from Taylor Field. I was trying to make the point that to massively upgrade Brandt to big city standards would cost much more than they are estimating. If they only spend $100 million, it won't be a big improvement, and probably won't even have 10,000 seats.

Nathan · #**10762** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 10:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Stormer

Mosaic is a massive upgrade from Taylor Field. I was trying to make the point that to massively upgrade Brandt to big city standards would cost much more than they are estimating. If they only spend $100 million, it won't be a big improvement, and probably won't even have 10,000 seats.

Using MTS in Winnipeg as a guide (probably the best example given proximity/weather/ground conditions)... It is a fairly standard facility with $15k seats, though they did do some upgrades in preparation for the return of the Jets. Its inflation adjusted cost is right around $200 mill.

I'd be surprised if we'd be able to build something that is a significant upgrade to the Brandt Centre for anything less than $150 mill.

BrutallyDishonest2 · #**10763** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 1:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stormer

What is this "significant economic opportunity" requiring a whole section of City-owned land north of the refinery? http://reginask.iqm2.com/Citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=1&ID=4236&Inline=True

There are a whole bunch of proposals going around right now with the city and province looking to hand out corporate welfare in the name of "economic development". There's the biofuel plant, ag production, and a couple of ag bi-product proposals also out there as well.

Draftsman · #**10764** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 2:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by StealthGirl

Ball park.
New Brandt.
Masters was saying since the election Lawson replacement needs to be considered.
CFL is struggling and our stadium is still being paid off.
COVID means decreased revenues, more govt debt.

I have some concerns with all the spending demands on luxuries. The city is pressed to pay its bill as it for road maintenance, sidewalk repair, etc etc etc.

I agree with you 100%. It's time to get realistic.

The mayor · #**10765** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 3:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migs

It’s not really prime if it’s been empty for 10 years. A baseball stadium in that area would be fantastic, especially if the pedestrian bridge still goes ahead.

Exactly not only that half of the downtown core is vacant land so this is a win-win situation can’t wait for it to get built Way to go Regina you were on your way to prosperity

one_brick_at_a_time · #**10766** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 4:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by The mayor

Exactly not only that half of the downtown core is vacant land so this is a win-win situation can’t wait for it to get built Way to go Regina you were on your way to prosperity

thefourthtower?

yveseluj · #**10767** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 1:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by one_brick_at_a_time

thefourthtower?

We can only hope.

Jeremy6 · #**10768** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 6:04 PM**

It's not happening. Neither is the arena.

UPP · #**10769** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 6:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jeremy6

It's not happening. Neither is the arena.

I would say the arena has a better chance of happening than the ball park, considering the arena already has the blessing of city council to move forward in planning/proposals.

I'm conflicted by all this. I get that Currie Field is a dump but I don't think a new ballpark in the downtown is the answer.

The Brandt Centre has outlived it's best-before date but I think for it to be worthwhile, we'd have to build an arena with 12,000 seats to attract the kind of events that we want.

That's a lot of money.

yveseluj · #**10770** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 7:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by djforsberg

They were referring to the former poster named thefourthtower. Unless you were actually hoping for their return lol.

Oh I know, it was sarcasm. Doesn't translate well over text, you see.

jigglysquishy · #**10771** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 7:15 PM**

I agree the arena has a a substantially better chance of proceeding.

1) big business support (Evraz and Brandt)
2) political will (Masters was on the REAL board until last summer and clearly maintains a close relationship)
3) The Pats average over 10x the fans per season than the Red Sox
4) Concerts are a real tourism driver in a way the Pats and Red Sox are not
5) year round year vs 4 months of potential use

And perhaps most importantly, the Agridome 2.0 should attract a lot more private dollars vs the $0 of Currie Field 2.0

Stormer · #**10772** Posted **Apr 8, 2021, 10:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by jigglysquishy

I agree the arena has a a substantially better chance of proceeding.

1) big business support (Evraz and Brandt)
2) political will (Masters was on the REAL board until last summer and clearly maintains a close relationship)
3) The Pats average over 10x the fans per season than the Red Sox
4) Concerts are a real tourism driver in a way the Pats and Red Sox are not
5) year round year vs 4 months of potential use

And perhaps most importantly, the Agridome 2.0 should attract a lot more private dollars vs the $0 of Currie Field 2.0

I am not even following the ball park discussion as I view it as completely far fetched for a number of reasons.

I would point out that there is zero chance Evraz will continue to sponsor REAL. This was done in the IPSCO days. Evraz has no interest and no budget for this sort of thing.

McBean · #**10773** Posted **Apr 9, 2021, 2:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by jigglysquishy

I agree the arena has a a substantially better chance of proceeding.

1) big business support (Evraz and Brandt)
2) political will (Masters was on the REAL board until last summer and clearly maintains a close relationship)
3) The Pats average over 10x the fans per season than the Red Sox
4) Concerts are a real tourism driver in a way the Pats and Red Sox are not
5) year round year vs 4 months of potential use

And perhaps most importantly, the Agridome 2.0 should attract a lot more private dollars vs the $0 of Currie Field 2.0

Yup, you nailed it.

Draftsman · #**10774** Posted **Apr 10, 2021, 1:55 PM**

I noticed this morning, an article on cbc.ca/news/saskatchewan (link below) regarding the 'potential' sale of 633 acres of land just north of the refinery, as mentioned in this thread previously.

It sounds great, but having lived in Regina my entire life, I know how many proposed developments have never came to fruition, for one reason or another.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/regina-council-special-meeting-land-sale-1.5981893

StealthGirl · #**10775** Posted **Apr 10, 2021, 4:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Draftsman

I noticed this morning, an article on cbc.ca/news/saskatchewan (link below) regarding the 'potential' sale of 633 acres of land just north of the refinery, as mentioned in this thread previously.

It sounds great, but having lived in Regina my entire life, I know how many proposed developments have never came to fruition, for one reason or another.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/regina-council-special-meeting-land-sale-1.5981893

A ton of secrecy and selling below market value makes me nervous after the fiasco that was the GTH and the penchant of letting certain wealthy people to build/develop/etc near whatever they want in this city.

The mayor · #**10776** Posted **Apr 10, 2021, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Draftsman

I noticed this morning, an article on cbc.ca/news/saskatchewan (link below) regarding the 'potential' sale of 633 acres of land just north of the refinery, as mentioned in this thread previously.

It sounds great, but having lived in Regina my entire life, I know how many proposed developments have never came to fruition, for one reason or another.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/regina-council-special-meeting-land-sale-1.5981893

This Could be a very important development at 633 acres it could be like a bio chemical plant I guess we’ll find out more on Monday

BrutallyDishonest2 · #**10777** Posted **Apr 10, 2021, 11:21 PM**

Co-op just bought the biofuels company that the city agreed to give a million dollars to last month so presumably that's what the land is for.

That said, it's disgraceful that we'd sell the land for that low a price. It's barely over ag prices around Regina.

Festivus · #**10778** Posted **Apr 11, 2021, 7:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by BrutallyDishonest2

Co-op just bought the biofuels company that the city agreed to give a million dollars to last month so presumably that's what the land is for.

That said, it's disgraceful that we'd sell the land for that low a price. It's barely over ag prices around Regina.

Regina was founded on land scandals, it's only appropriate that we keep the tradition going.

pappcam · #**10779** Posted **Apr 12, 2021, 3:17 PM**

Sounds like we'd be "subsidizing" this land purchase because of a promise of jobs and economic development. Not really surprising. It happens everywhere.

Kegger · #**10780** Posted **Apr 12, 2021, 8:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by pappcam

Sounds like we'd be "subsidizing" this land purchase because of a promise of jobs and economic development. Not really surprising. It happens everywhere.

City council voted to give the biofuel company $1M a little while back. I believe that was the amount. With the promise of jobs etc. Would I be right in thinking this money may have been given out through a cheaper than market land sale?

Edit: And I see all kinds of craziness just happened at city council. I have no idea what is happening here.