The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jamincan

I'd say it's more that you clearly have some sort of axe to grind against people you perceive as SJWs.

Only the ones I perceive to be on the extremes (which are expanding IMO).

I happen to agree with most SJW principles myself.

[dleung]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I happen to agree with most SJW principles myself.

Lol, says the MAGA apologist who insists that "breonna taylor was no angel"

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's quite possible that the synagogue story might only be "from French Canada' in the strictest geographic sense, much the same way the U of Ottawa n-word controversy was technically in "English Canada".

I guess we'll see how the story unfolds.

You're free to simply admit that you didn't care about the story because you don't view the synagogue as being a part of French Canada as much as you do a Francophone teaching at a university in Ontario, despite the former literally existing as physical space in French Canada. If it doesn't negatively affect Francophones or whites in some way it simply doesn't matter as much, and that's fine as a personal preference, I guess, but pretending otherwise is disingenuous. Trying to push it aside as we wait for the perpetrator just simply digs your hole further.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jhikka

you're free to simply admit that you didn't care about the story because you don't view the synagogue as being a part of french canada as much as you do a francophone teaching at a university in ontario, despite the former literally exist in french canada. If it doesn't negatively affect francophones or whites in some way it simply doesn't matter as much, and that's fine as a personal preference, i guess, but pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

lol!

[lio45]

Originally Posted by jamincan

You really have no — clue.

Actually, I'm unarguably right, as the only arbiter, when I'm telling you that I would find it a much more realistic, and much less arduous, "task", to have to save my career, and avoid seeing my life ruined, by flirting with men occasionally and having to take a blue pill to get it up and — one in the — extremely occasionally, than to have to save my career, and avoid seeing my life ruined, by achieving total fluency in written/spoken Mandarin.

You can't possibly try to disagree with the above.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Pavlov

Ms. Tuong's actual "choice of words": "I would like there to be a shift where we start looking toward the faces of other kinds of people [because I find the current faces "alienating" on the sole basis of their race]"

Yep, exactly.

I totally stand by what I posted about this story. These words betray a racist, toxic, and problematic view; in an ideal, colorblind, non-racist world, no one would care about the race of the people they're playing chess against.

"I'd like to apply to lio45's chess school!"
"Great. Let's see if we can accept you. Your skin color?"

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JHikka

More or less.

From the CHRC:

In certain organizations, if representation of the four designated groups is lower than market availability in a specific industry, employers must implement practices that to demonstrate they are doing all they can to achieve equality in the workplace and fill gaps in representation.


Doing all they can to achieve can mean simply asking these questions on application forms.
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In many cases I would assume it also means meeting quotas of some sort, which factor into the mandatory assessment of an organization's performance (ie meeting this and other objectives), and that of their executives.

If it's all just nice words and compiling stats, and whatever happens happens, then what's the use of having the policy in the first place?

Under such a hypocritical window-dressing scenario, designated groups most definitely would have something to complain about.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The appointee is a community activist of North African (Tunisian I think) origin who was involved as the spokesperson for one of Canada's more conservative Muslim organizations. For example they have advocated for separating boys and girls in school ...

We'll need to appoint an anti-sexism commissioner to watch that anti-racism commissioner!

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Acajack

In any event, since we have no info on the suspect so far, it's too early to say who will ''look bad" on this one.

"A man who was arrested after swastikas were spray-painted on a synagogue in Westmount has been charged with threatening to burn the same building.

Adam Riga, 28, a resident of the St-Laurent borough, appeared before a judge Thursday morning. He was ordered to undergo a quick mental health evaluation before his case returns to court on Friday.

Riga is charged with possessing incendiary and explosive materials with the intention of committing a criminal act. The materials are a container of gas and a lighter.

He is also charged with threatening to set fire to a synagogue. He was represented by a legal aid lawyer during his first court appearance.

According to provincial records, Riga does not appear to have a criminal record in Quebec.

He was arrested Wednesday afternoon after someone spray-painted swastikas on the Shaar Hashomayim synagogue on Kensington Ave. in Westmount."

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-n...-westmount-synagogue-that-was-vandalized

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JHikka

You're free to simply admit that you didn't care about the story because you don't view the synagogue as being a part of French Canada as much as you do a Francophone teaching at a university in Ontario, despite the former literally existing as physical space in French Canada. .

I wouldn't have thought that the fact that English Canada and French Canada are primarily but not exclusively or seamlessly geographic constructs would be such an obscure notion for people on SSP Canada.

[Pavlov]

Actually, I'm unarguably right, as the only arbiter, when I'm telling you that I would find it a much more realistic, and much less arduous, "task", to have to save my career, and avoid seeing my life ruined, by flirting with men occasionally and having to take a blue pill to get it up and — one in the — extremely occasionally, than to have to save my career, and avoid seeing my life ruined, by achieving total fluency in written/spoken Mandarin.

You can't possibly try to disagree with the above.

In fact, you are inarguably incorrect. This is what you stated:

Originally Posted by lio45

It's actually much easier for a gay person to court/screw girls to fit it than for an unilingual francophone to achieve fluency in "white speak"...

You are not in fact the only arbiter of this for every gay man. Many gay men might find the former more difficult and more disagreeable than the latter.

[lio45]

A Westmount Synagogue getting called "literally existing as physical space in French Canada" shows pretty extreme cluelessness, frankly.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Pavlov

In fact, you are inarguably incorrect. This is what you stated:



You are not in fact the only arbiter of this for every gay man. Many gay men might find the former more difficult and more disagreeable than the former.

I think we can establish "difficulty" in a way that isn't in the eye of the beholder.

But okay, let's just say nearly everyone agrees with me; I can concede that, I don't need absolutely every single human being in existence agreeing.

(Though I'm sure we both know with crystal clarity if someone put a — to your head and gave you a week to achieve either a gay — encounter or complete fluency in a foreign language of their choice, your only hope of staying alive would be the former path.)

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JHikka

If it doesn't negatively affect Francophones or whites in some way it simply doesn't matter as much, and that's fine as a personal preference, .

There are francophone synagogues in Montreal, and most (actually almost all) Jews I know would be considered "white" if I had to classify them racially.

So...

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lio45

I think we can establish "difficulty" in a way that isn't in the eye of the beholder.

But okay, let's just say nearly everyone agrees with me; I can concede that, I don't need absolutely every single human being in existence agreeing.

(Though I'm sure we both know with crystal clarity if someone put a — to your head and gave you a week to achieve either a gay — encounter or complete fluency in a foreign language of their choice, your only hope of staying alive would be the former path.)

The Evil Acajack took over for a minute and this episode of Black Mirror entered my mind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Anthem_(Black_Mirror)

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The Evil Acajack took over for a minute and this episode of Black Mirror entered my mind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Anthem_(Black_Mirror)

I don't think there's any question that if instead the bar to release the kidnapped person was to have the British PM achieve perfect fluency in Mandarin, there'd be less hope that we'd have that royal person back among us anytime soon ...

[lio45]

On the "francophobia vs homophobia" question.

Imagine a slightly alternate year 1800.

Scenario 1: New Royal Proclamation in 1800 takes everyone in the Colony of Canada by surprise. Cracking down on homosexuals, mercilessly. They are to be hunted down and massacred, no quarter. The ones who manage to successfully pretend (show interest in girls, marry, etc.) might actually get spared, and even have successful lives.

Scenario 2: New Royal Proclamation in 1800 takes everyone in the Colony of Canada by surprise. Cracking down on francophones, mercilessly. They are to be hunted down and massacred, no quarter. The ones who manage to successfully pretend (speak English fluently, write it flawlessly) might actually get spared, and even have successful lives.

Is there any debate possible that the survival rate of the hunted/persecuted group would be much higher in Scenario 1?

Those two scenarios aren't even that unrealistic, historically.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by Acajack

(I honestly can't believe that such things like being sufficiently black or African for a job, actually matter to intelligent people having serious discussions in 2021, but here we are. Il faut être de son temps je suppose.)

It only matters to other humanities majors, defund universities resonate with me. I don't consider these people intelligent either. How much good do these people bring anyways? They only bring division and hate.

[Pavlov]

I can't believe I was stupid enough to take the bait again.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by esquire

The two of them look like they could be siblings if you're going by skin tone!

I can understand allegations of being tone-deaf if they had appointed some middle aged white guy to the job, but the idea a qualified POC doesn't have enough "C" is a questionable line of reasoning...

It's actually quite possible that in some cases a middle-aged white guy might have been the most qualified person for this type of job. But right now even so it would be unthinkable to give it to him, I think we'd all agree.