Broadway Subway - Millennium Line Extension to Arbutus | U/C

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Short term thinking I see.

Actually yes, he has. The planning department at Translink isn’t happy directly because of the design stipulations set by the province.

Economics 101: you can't spend money that isn't there.

So Victoria's stipulations, not Vancouver's.
Have you considered that this is a fiscal issue? It it were Geoff Meggs or Sadhu Johnston pulling the strings, the K.O. panels wouldn't be there, and neither would the connection at Broadway-City Hall. You'd have to get out and cross the street twice like Granville and City Centre.

[Metro-One]

Economics 101 revised

Recessions (although so far Vancouver and BC seem to be fairing pretty well with countless major sectors continuing to grow, tower proposals and construction continuing to pile up, and very few major cancellations having been announced) are the ideal time for investing in and building major infrastructure projects, especially when the Federal government has announced the largest stimulus program since World War 2.

Again, at minimum building the Broadway and Cambie hub with a second access point is not outside of the scope of essentially every subway line I have ridden and subway project I have seen.

Or at the bare bare minimum expanding the existing entrance to allow for a few more gates...

[Migrant_Coconut]

Economics 101 re-revised:

Recessions are a good time to spend extra... on things that give back, like an entire new SkyTrain line to Langley/UBC/North Van. One extra pedestrian tunnel more or less isn't going to make a lick of difference to the economy or community, not unless the existing entrance overflows or enough people are wasting enough time, and neither will happen between now and 2040.

[officedweller]

... at least we not getting to the point of considering mid-line single track segments (as was proposed for the area around Capstan Station).

[Express691]

I took this opportunity to practice speaking, using a lav mic, and presenting - some thoughts I had on the diagrams from this round of consultations. (I think a dedicated standalone mic will do a bit better for me).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwECFcuHohs

[AkariAkaza]

Originally Posted by Express691

I took this opportunity to practice speaking, using a lav mic, and presenting - some thoughts I had on the diagrams from this round of consultations. (I think a dedicated standalone mic will do a bit better for me).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwECFcuHohs

sounds good

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Putting aside the rather obvious point that the City of Vancouver isn't building, designing or able to significantly alter any aspect of this Provincially controlled project, how would an underground connection work to VGH? There's no underground public linkage between the different buildings on the VGH campus, so any underground connection would be into some sort of basement level, unconnected to other departments and buildings.

And the grade up from Broadway to W10th, (and W11th where Ambulatory Care is located) is significant, so there wouldn't be an obvious benefit of staying at grade - it would be a steep underground tunnel. Who would pay for this tunnel? There's been enough difficulty raising the money to build the line and stations. Adding in 'it-would-be-nice-to-have' expenses won't help.

Actually VGH does have an extensive tunnel system, but it's mostly used for equipment and maintenance workers. Even regular staff don't really use them. Also, creepy.

That said, the Broadway Line is too far to connect reasonably.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

That said, the Broadway Line is too far to connect reasonably.

Small correction: too far to connect with a North American budget. Many Asian cities have PATH networks over much longer distances.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Small correction: too far to connect with a North American budget. Many Asian cities have PATH networks over much longer distances.

That's true too, though I was reflecting mainly on the land ownership issue. There is more private land between the VGH campus and the "Oak St" station. Redeveloping the area and including a connection would be nice, though honestly I can't see it used too much.

[jollyburger]

Two more sites being cleared:

Broadway-City Hall Station Block (click to view notice)

Work begins the week of December 7, 2020 and will take place over several months.
Phase One: removal of hazardous materials at 400, 450, and 456 West Broadway. Work occurs weekdays from 7 am to 3 pm for approximately 10 weeks, with minimal noise and impact to traffic expected.
Phase Two: removal of electrical and HVAC systems and demolition of interior walls.
Phase Three: full demolition of these buildings, anticipated to begin in early 2021.

Oak-VGH Station Block (click to view notice)

Work begins the week of December 14, 2020 and will take place over several months.
Phase One: removal of hazardous materials at 906, 916, and 922 West Broadway. Work occurs weekdays from 7 am to 3 pm for approximately 8 weeks, with minimal noise and impact to traffic expected.
Phase Two: removal of electrical and HVAC systems and demolition of interior walls.
Phase Three: full demolition of these buildings, anticipated to begin in early 2021.

https://www.broadwaysubway.ca/construction/current-work/

[jollyburger]

He's come from 40 years in the future in a time machine to reshape history before we make a mistake of having a single entrance into a subway station. We must stop Translink before they make this catastrophic decision.

[DKaz]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Small correction: too far to connect with a North American budget. Many Asian cities have PATH networks over much longer distances.

There's an expectation of indoor pedestrian paths in Edmonton and Calgary. Example, one can walk from Rogers Place to Churchill Station via 6 different buildings (above ground) and one underground path without stepping outside at all. The side effect is that street life downtown is poor.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by DKaz

There's an expectation of indoor pedestrian paths in Edmonton and Calgary. Example, one can walk from Rogers Place to Churchill Station via 6 different buildings (above ground) and one underground path without stepping outside at all. The side effect is that street life downtown is poor.

Sure, but that's also because Alberta in general lacks the population. Go to Singapore or Tokyo, or even Toronto, and the streetscape AND underground are crowded.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by DKaz

There's an expectation of indoor pedestrian paths in Edmonton and Calgary. Example, one can walk from Rogers Place to Churchill Station via 6 different buildings (above ground) and one underground path without stepping outside at all. The side effect is that street life downtown is poor.

There is probably some logical reasons why some cities have huge underground pathways or shopping arcades. Weather is probably high up on the list or metropolitian cities that have long had extensive subway networks. Vancouver fortunately or unfortunately missed out on that fad.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

There is probably some logical reasons why some cities have huge underground pathways or shopping arcades. Weather is probably high up on the list or metropolitian cities that have long had extensive subway networks. Vancouver fortunately or unfortunately missed out on that fad.

They tend to be where the weather is crap. For example, Toronto and Montreal have crappy weather, so it makes walking around their downtown cores better.

[Metro-One]

The weather in most of Japan is better than that of in Vancouver, yet arcades and underground networks are everywhere, from big cities to small towns.

Arcades especially are wonderful. The feeling of being outside but completely protected from rain and snow.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

He's come from 40 years in the future in a time machine to reshape history before we make a mistake of having a single entrance into a subway station. We must stop Translink before they make this catastrophic decision.

I have also come to help your reading comprehension where I have clearly stated several times that this is not Translink’s doing. They want more access points.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

i wish we had a path network similar to toronto downtown. there is no reason we cant, other than bad CoV policies. and Broadway should have them to. i also thought it was a miss opportunity to not create one at Marine Gateway since that is such a huge intersection, it would have been good to link up all the corners together i think. waiting on those street corners suck. just like at Cambie & Broadway

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

He's come from 40 years in the future in a time machine to reshape history before we make a mistake of having a single entrance into a subway station. We must stop Translink before they make this catastrophic decision.

If the Beatty Street entrance at Stadium tells you anything - They don't care.

[DKaz]

Originally Posted by MIPS

If the Beatty Street entrance at Stadium tells you anything - They don't care.

Who's decision was it to permanently block that entrance? CoV or Translink?