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View Poll Results: Electric Vehicle Ownership Poll
I own a BEV (Battery Electric Vehicle) 7 21.88%
I own a PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) 2 6.25%
I own an HEV (Hybrid Electric Vehicle) 2 6.25%
I'm considering a BEV (Tesla, LEAF, Bolt, etc.) 6 18.75%
I'm considering a PHEV (Volt, etc.) 6 18.75%
I'm considering a HEV (Prius, etc.) 3 9.38%
I would only buy a non-electric gas or diesel car 3 9.38%
I don't want a car 4 12.50%
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2020, 3:43 PM
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Seems like a dumb decision. I looked up the Focus Active and it seems like the kind of vehicle (small hatchback) that has traditionally been pretty popular in Canada.
The Focus Active cancellation really had nothing to do with us and a lot to do with the US. The car was to be produced in China, and was the victim of US-China political relations and Ford not wanting to end up in the middle. Without the US market, it doesn't make much sense to import and certify a car for Canada alone.
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SidetrackedSue is in for a real treat.
I'll stay home long enough to post saying you are absolutely right! We love the car.

We've put over 900km on in the first 8 days, including two day trips out, one to the Seaway and back through Smiths Falls and the other to Peterborough and back. Went shopping at the furthest away Costco because it gave me freeway miles to get used to driving it in all sorts of conditions. It doesn't cost me any more, so why not?

Observations:

We still look at gas prices each time we pass a station.

Our old pattern was to put at least $10 of gas in the car when we stopped at a station to use the restrooms. Can't do that now!

Superchargers are easy to use. Had the Peterborough road trip been solely 'energized' by Superchargers it would have cost me about $7 less than the Prius. But of course, it wasn't, so only cost me $10.12 plus the amortized cost of the electrical to our parking spot.

CyrusKafaiwu: It cost $850 (including the admin fee from our manager) to install the 110V. It is a dedicated circuit and the app claims we are charging at 7 - 8km/h. So about 150km of range in 24 hours.

Since I need 160km for emergency round trip to my son, and our longest, in-city driving is under 40km and we only do that roughly 2x per week, we keep the charge level at 360 km and only raised it when we were prepping for the Peterborough trip.

Highway road noise is more than in the Prius. Doors sound clunkier when you close them (that annoys me, because I feel quality cars should have a solid door closing sound compared to the cheap rentals I get.) That sort of noise deadening doesn't seem to be something Tesla does. Possibly because of weight affecting range, so I've promised to lose 10lbs and then we'll add some aftermarket sound abatement.

I'm letting my husband drive almost exclusively now since he'll be unable to drive for 6 - 8 weeks when/if he gets his surgery. We recently found out he'll also be seated in the back seat (protection from the airbag) so I'm glad the MY has so much room in the back!

I've only done about 60km on it so far and the hardest part was adjusting to the turn signals and radio controls. I've got turn signals down pat but am still a bit unclear on the audio. The controls are different for a passenger than the driver so more time at the wheel will help.

My husband loves the one-pedal driving but took a bit longer to mentally adjust to it than I did because I was already using the regen braking on the Prius to slow the car. This is just an order of magnitude greater! I still engage the brake when stopped at a light. I figure it is a habit I should keep because we'll be driving other cars from time to time.

On the backroads outside Brockville we had an opportunity to test the acceleration (both from 80kph and dead stop) and were blown away despite it being on the 'chill' mode. That's more than we'll ever need for our driving style. Like the Prius, I appreciate the torque to get the hell away from a bad situation in a hurry, so knowing the pickup is there, even in Chill, is enough for me.

The car goes into the shop now for a week for PPF.

And after end of quarter we'll book an appointment to get the passenger door better aligned. That was our biggest complaint and the tech claims it is in spec but I believe that the doors should not stick out at all when closed and this one does quite visibly.
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I am glad you are enjoying it. Tesla is way ahead in terms of their tech (both electrical and software) but still have some catching up to do with their fit and finish, though they are getting better.

The thing that impresses me most about Tesla is they are continuing to innovate. Startups are often founded on a good idea, but the real question about their long term viability is, what other good ideas will they have. That has been the downfall of many a startup.
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Thanks for sharing SidetrackedSue. I have a Prius and thinking of a Model 3 or Model Y, would love a bit more power...
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From a tesla facebook group:

Coventry to be powered on October 26.
Tesla Supercharger Nepean to be powered in the next two weeks.

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Yes, the sound bothers me too in the Model 3, but then i realize I am no longer listening to an engine.

Build quality issues are less evident with the Model 3. I would give a year or two for them to resolve it.

Turn signals:
If you press up lightly, it will flash for about 3-5 seconds. If you press up fully, it will stay on. That was a trouble for me for my first week.
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It amused me re-learning turn signals was harder than one-pedal driving!

I'm back to driving the Prius (the MY is getting PPF now) and am constantly reminded I'm happy with my new car!

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I have a Prius and thinking of a Model 3 or Model Y, would love a bit more power...
Waterloowarrior you'll get more power for sure! We needed the cargo space the Y offers and wanted the higher seat position (we've owned vans, a PT, and the PriusV, all offering a more firm sofa vs. recliner driving position) so that's why we picked the Y.
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NRCan seeks local organizations to manage projects in latest EV-infrastructure RFP


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Funding will go to third-party organizations — provincial and municipal governments and non-profits, in particular — that are able to co-fund and administer payouts to recipients installing urban and suburban EV chargers

Natural Resources Canada recently opened its third request for proposals for its Zero-Emission Vehicle Infrastructure Program (ZEVIP), a key component of the federal government’s efforts to increase the availability of electric vehicle chargers across Canada.

In this RFP, NRCan is requesting proposals from third-party delivery organizations — such as provincial and municipal governments or non-profit organizations — that are able to share the costs of purchasing and installing EV infrastructure.

Delivery organizations whose applications are successful will then provide funding for Level 2 and DC fast chargers to the ultimate recipients of their choice. NRCan is running this RFP until December 10.

Public, workplace, MURB and fleet charging

Paula Vieira, director of NRCan’s fuel diversification division, says the ZEVIP is designed to bring EV charging to “where Canadians live, work and play” — that is, primarily urban and suburban areas.

As such, the ultimate recipients of its funding must be charging projects serving public-use parking lots, on-street parking, workplaces and multi-use residential buildings, as well as light, medium and heavy-duty commercial fleets and mass transit fleets.

NRCan will pay up to 50 per cent of total project costs to successful delivery organizations up to $2 million; each ultimate recipient will be eligible to receive up to $100,000 of that amount.

Level 2 chargers will be funded to a maximum of $5,000 per connector, 20kW-to-49kW fast chargers to a maximum of $15,000 per charger, and 50kW-fast chargers up to $50,000 per fast charger. Delivery organizations must seek funding for at least 20 EV chargers in order to apply.

20,000 chargers by 2024

The ZEVIP was established in 2019 with a pool of $130 million to be allocated over five years. This is the third request for proposals under the program’s banner, and the first to take a third-party delivery approach. A fourth RFP is set to open this December, and NRCan plans to continue issuing several per year until 2024.

“Our ultimate outcome is a target of 20,000 new chargers by the program’s end,” says Vieira. “We’ve deemed projects eligible under our first RFP that will result in over 2,200 chargers.”

The ZEVIP is one of two NRCan programs funding the expansion of zero-emission refuelling infrastructure across Canada. The other, the Electric Vehicle and Alternative Fuel Infrastructure Deployment Initiative (EVAFID), was established in 2016 and provided with $96.4 million to operate until 2022. Whereas the ZEVIP aims to bolster charging infrastructure in urban and suburban areas, the EVAFID targets projects along Canada’s national highway system.

“The two actually work together, because it really allows Canadians to use EVs the same way they use conventional vehicles,” says Vieira.

According to Vieira, the growing demand for EV chargers has caused a surplus of applications for funding to both programs which will likely continue for their duration.

“There is a huge need for infrastructure, and there really is a willingness to partner with government to deploy that infrastructure.”
https://electricautonomy.ca/2020/10/01/nrcan-local-ev-infrastructure/
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Fiat Chrysler and Unifor announce $1.5-billion investment to build EVs in Windsor


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Successful contract talks mean Fiat Chrysler’s Windsor assembly plant will undergo a multi-vehicle platform makeover, with plug-in and battery electric vehicle manufacturing starting in 2024

For the second time in three weeks, a major North American automaker has unveiled a multi-billion-dollar investment to manufacture electric vehicles in Canada. Today’s news comes by way of a joint deal between Unifor and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA), announced Thursday morning by union president Jerry Dias in Toronto.

The $1.3-to-$1.5-billion investment will bring “stability” to FCA’s Canadian operations, Dias said, and could result in the addition of as many as 2,000 jobs as part of a three-year collective agreement. The new workers will begin to come on in 2023 as the manufacturer retools to accommodate production of both a plug-in hybrid and battery electric vehicle. At least one additional new model will be added in 2025.

“This is, I will argue, a home run for the community of Windsor,” Dias added, calling the deal the “best economic agreement” to be struck there in at least 20 years.

EV and battery mandates a priority

It’s also a home run for proponents of electric vehicles, coming on the heels of a $2-billion deal between Unifor, Ford Motor Co. of Canada and the Ontario and federal governments to build EVs in Oakville.

Dias and Unifor have clearly made EV manufacturing mandates and battery manufacturing central to the current round of contract negotiations with the “Big Three” automakers and at least two have been ready to pivot.

The Windsor plant currently employs over 4,600 workers, FCA employs over 9,000 in the province and Unifor has over 20,000 auto industry members in Canada.

Under the new deal the Windsor plant will have two platforms: one for manufacturing Pacifica and Voyager minivans and the other, launching in 2024, for a new plug-in hybrid or EV model.

The Ford deal for in Oakville, meanwhile, will see the plant transition to a battery electric vehicle facility in 2024 with five new EVs being produced by 2028. Industry experts speculate the Ford deal set the tone for Unifor’s talks with FCA.

Deal at the deadline

News of the FCA deal was announced late Wednesday with just 10 minutes to spare before a midnight strike deadline. The Windsor plant, which accounts for 10 per cent of FCA’s North American production, has already been shutdown for three weeks due to scheduled downtime.

The agreement also includes investments in FCA’s plants in Brampton and Toronto, assuring stability for those operations as well.

FCA will be supplying the majority of the financial investment, but Dias said the company is still in talks with both the province and Ottawa for some financial support. Both of those governments contributed $295 million each to help seal the Ford deal.

Now it’s up to the FCA workers to decide the fate of the tentative labour agreement with a ratification process to be conducted over the weekend. Unifor will then turn its attention to negotiation with GM, the last the Big Three OEMs.
https://electricautonomy.ca/2020/10/15/fiat-chrysler-unifor-build-evs-windsor/
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We will have to see what that "new plug-in hybrid or EV model" is. FCA really is trailing the pack when it comes to BEVs, so I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a PHEV.

It will be interesting to see what sort of deal Unifor can make with GM.
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Union leader Jerry Dias on Canadian EV production: “We’re on the cusp of leading globally”


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Unifor’s national president speaks exclusively to Electric Autonomy about the pivotal role that governments played in securing EV production in Ontario and what the Ford and FCA deals mean for Canadian autoworkers and supply chain

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Unifor national president Jerry Dias says that the electric vehicle production won for Ford’s Oakville assembly plant in the union’s recent negotiations, slated to begin in 2025, was originally earmarked for Mexico. What made the difference in bringing that production to Canada, he says, is government cooperation and willingness to put forward the necessary investment.

“I haven’t seen this element of cooperation between the federal and provincial governments ever like this that I’m witnessing today,” Dias told Electric Autonomy Canada in an exclusive video interview recorded late last week after Unifor doubled up on the Ford news with a contract deal with Fiat Chrysler (FCA) that includes a $1.3-to-$1.5-billion investment to bring a plug-in hybrid and/or electric vehicle to the company’s Windsor facility.

Canada’s “fair share”

“To date, over $300-billion worth of electric vehicles have been announced globally, of which not one nickel had been allocated to Canada until the Ford announcement a couple of weeks ago. … It really is about Canada saying ‘Hey, hold on here: if we don’t start to win our fair share of battery electric vehicles, we stand to be left out in the cold.’”

Dias says that the government funding to seal the Ford deal was 15 per cent of the overall cost, which is higher than the 10 per cent typically seen on these types of investments. The FCA deal, which was ratified by the union in a vote that concluded today, is also dependent on government support that has not yet been announced.

“The projects that we’re talking about with [FCA], obviously there was the whole debate about Mexico as well,” Dias says. “One could argue we hijack these programs, but it wouldn’t have happened if the governments weren’t aggressive.”

Ripple effect

These deals, along with whatever may result from Unifor’s upcoming negotiations with General Motors of Canada, kick off a ripple effect that will reverberate through the entire automotive supply chain industry in Canada, Dias says.

“Our members who work for the supply base are feeling pretty comfortable, and their companies see this as one heck of an opportunity,” Dias says. “This is about putting workers back in our steel plants. This is about making batteries. This is about saying to aluminum workers in Quebec and B.C. … to lithium workers in Quebec … cobalt workers in Northern Ontario, you’re going to be a part of the solution.

“It is a transformative time. … We’re on the cusp of leading globally for where this incredible industry is going.”

To hear all of Dias’ comments, watch the full exclusive interview.
https://electricautonomy.ca/2020/10/19/unifor-jerry-dias-ev-interview/
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We will have to see what that "new plug-in hybrid or EV model" is. FCA really is trailing the pack when it comes to BEVs, so I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a PHEV.

It will be interesting to see what sort of deal Unifor can make with GM.
By 2024 I don't even know if FCA will still be viable or even still around. RAM + Jeep, that's all they have in NA.
All these mainstream manufacturers seem to think that EVs are the end goal, they are far from it!! Its all about autonomy. GM seems to be making some progress with Cruise, Ford invested a lot in the Blackberry business they got (Ottawa proud).
Maybe Waymo can partner or buy out dead FCA assets (if there's any value there)
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This is a good video outlining where we are in terms of technology, capability for autonomous vehicles etc...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQwIiUPWASo
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Two 50KW L3 Chademo/CCS chargers are almost ready at Galleries d’aylmer.
Recent new 50KW in Cantley just opened.

Also, We are still waiting on two near completed chargers to be powered on by Hydro Ottawa:
- 8 Tesla 250KW superchargers at Moodie / Richmond / Hazeldean?
- 1 Chademo/CCS, 3 CCS at Coventry and Lola
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By 2024 I don't even know if FCA will still be viable or even still around. RAM + Jeep, that's all they have in NA.
All these mainstream manufacturers seem to think that EVs are the end goal, they are far from it!! Its all about autonomy. GM seems to be making some progress with Cruise, Ford invested a lot in the Blackberry business they got (Ottawa proud).
Maybe Waymo can partner or buy out dead FCA assets (if there's any value there)
LOL. While I agree that FCA has a tough road ahead, but your estimate that FCA won't be around by 2024 is unfounded. The Ram Pickup was the number 2 vehicle sold in the USA in 2019 (behind the Ford F150)ref. There still aren't any electric pickup trucks on the market yet, and it will take a while to convince pickup truck drivers to switch to electric (though I expect it will happen eventually).

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This is a good video outlining where we are in terms of technology, capability for autonomous vehicles etc...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQwIiUPWASo
Interesting. I do find him a little impaired by drinking too much of Tesla's Kool-Aid. I prefer reports from those who go into it without a preconceived opinion as to the outcome (the "I think this but feel free to disagree in the comments" gets a little tiresome).
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The Ottawa Tesla Owners Facebook group reports the Supercharger at Canadian Tire in Bells Corners is now working.

It is apparently a 'soft launch' since it doesn't show on the Supercharger map yet.

Edited to add:

Went over to check it out this afternoon. Our 110V plug keeps us full up so we had no need to actually try it out, but there was one car charging when we arrived and two others charging when we left the store after buying a Christmas Tree. (Good chance to test out the cargo carrying capability of the MY!)

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LOL. While I agree that FCA has a tough road ahead, but your estimate that FCA won't be around by 2024 is unfounded.
FCA as a company is my statement, although I did say RAM and Jeep would stay. Expect FCA to be bought or merged into another company by this date, there's still that Peugoet/Citroen deal floating around
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FCA as a company is my statement, although I did say RAM and Jeep would stay. Expect FCA to be bought or merged into another company by this date, there's still that Peugoet/Citroen deal floating around
I don't see the relevance. Whether it is called FCA or FCPSA is irrelevant and a merged FCA/PSA would still want to try and boost their presence in North America beyond just Ram and Jeep. Since PSA no longer has any significant (if any) presence in North America, a merged FCPSA would likely either rebrand some of PSA's EVs under FCA brands for sale in North America, or use FCA's dealer network to sell one or more PSA brands.

Also, the Dodge Caravan and Chrysler Pacifica combined represent 10% of FCA's USA sales, so minivans are still important to the company. Regardless, a plant that makes EVs in North America will be increasingly important to either FCA or FCPSA.
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I posted this in the Hydro Ottawa thread, but thought I would cross post it here as it relates to the cost of charging an EV at home with the new Electricity Rate Selection options. Further discussion should probably be done in that thread though to keep things consolidated.

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I am surprised no one is discussing the new Electricity Rate Selection options. I don't know what others think, but it seems to me that they are priced such that for most people, the Tiered rates option would be cheaper than the Time-of-use rates option. The only exceptions I can think of are:
  • Those who always leave their home empty during the day (work away from home and have no kids), and
  • Those who charge an EV at home (and drive it a decent amount each day)

This seems silly as surely they want to make TOU rates cheaper for the average person and only make Tiered the better option for those in exceptional circumstances.

Ever since the TOU plan came into effect, I have tried to shift my use to off peak. Surprisingly, when I did an analysis of what the new rates would have cost (had they been options) using my historical data since May 2018, I found that for me, Tired would have been slightly cheaper every month average of up until I bought my EV in late June 2019. It wasn't cheaper by very much (only an average of $1.71 a month) but I was surprised it was at all cheaper.

After I bought my EV and started charging at home overnight, TOU became the cheaper option every month up until COVID hit, but only by an average of $7.61 a month. This surprised me as I thought with charging an EV off-peak would have made TOU a significantly cheaper option.

Doing the analysis after COVID was more difficult, as Hydro Ottawa lists all electricity used as Off-Peak, so I had to download the hourly usage and split it up On-, Mid- and Off-peak and then sum the monthly usage back up again. Since I wasn't driving as much, it went back to Tiered being the cheaper option most months (though there were 2 months that I did drive more, so for those TOU was cheaper).

In the end, for me it is so close that it probably doesn't matter which I choose, but I did find my results surprising.

I also find it frustrating that Hydro Ottawa isn't providing any good tools (that I know of) to help people do this analysis, especially with the limitations of how electricity was billed since March 2020.
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Two new FLO j1772 plugs at Farmboy - Trainyards and Science Tech museum
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Two new FLO j1772 plugs at Farmboy - Trainyards and Science Tech museum
Thanks for the update. There seem to be 2 plugs at each location which is good (though I suspect it is 1 double headed unit). It seems like the "Farm Boy - Rail Yards" location (as Flo calls it) is "Out of Service" but the "Canada Science and Technology Museum" location is operational. No check-ins on PlugShare though.

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