Electric Vehicle Charging Stations in Ottawa-Gatineau - Page 28

roger1818 · #**541** Posted **Sep 11, 2020, 7:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by qprcanada

I think dealers are having difficulty coming to terms with the fact that their largest profit centre, the Service Dept will suffer as people transition to BEV. Their business model will have to change and perhaps the direct sales model like Tesla employs will become the norm.

I agree that it is especially difficult for dealers, and it is easy for them to ignore EVs while their sales were low. They are starting to see that sales of EV are growing. We will have to see how COVID affects things in the long term, but Canada's targets of 10% ZEV sales by 2025 and 30% by 2030 are not unrealistic. If they don't do anything, that will be a huge dent in their bottom line.

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I've driven a BEV for just over two years and 30K km now and would never purchase another ICE again.

I am of the same opinion. I didn't think I would like driving my BEV as much as I do. You don't realize how much you like it until you go back to driving an ICEV after driving a BEV for a while. SidetrackedSue is in for a real treat.

AuxTown · #**542** Posted **Sep 11, 2020, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by roger1818

I am of the same opinion. I didn't think I would like driving my BEV as much as I do. You don't realize how much you like it until you go back to driving an ICEV after driving a BEV for a while. SidetrackedSue is in for a real treat.

Agree, 1.5 years with my Model3 and I still REALLY enjoy driving it. It is a "fun" vehicle and all the tech features are just icing on the proverbial cake!

Tesladom · #**543** Posted **Sep 14, 2020, 12:37 PM**

27 months and counting here, Model 3 LR RWD!!

roger1818 · #**544** Posted **Sep 14, 2020, 2:04 PM**

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Agree, 1.5 years with my Model3 and I still REALLY enjoy driving it. It is a "fun" vehicle and all the tech features are just icing on the proverbial cake!

And that is the thing. Tesla gets a lot of attention for its "tech features," but even a bare bones BEV provides a great driving experience. Just look at the well reviewed VW e-up (and its siblings) sold in Europe. It doesn't even have a touchscreen display, but instead has the option for a factory installed, smartphone cradle.

Image Courtesy of Autocar

SidetrackedSue · #**545** Posted **Sep 14, 2020, 2:35 PM**

I can't get over how much the fast charging costs! For some reason, I thought it would be cheaper than gas but, certainly in winter, it will be more expensive. Note: this only applies to road trips but since we only own one car, our road trips suddenly got more expensive (especially considering we'll be having to use hotels that also offer charging so may have to choose a more expensive hotel as well.)

On road trips my Prius gets 5L/100km. So that's currently roughly $5 per 100km. That will get me roughly 15 minutes of charging and I should get more range than 100km for that.

In the winter, on a road trip, the Prius gets 6.5L/100km. So that's roughly $6.50 but the charging rate is less efficient in winter so it will be hard to hit break-even. Especially if it is a long road trip, since my range will be reduced so dramatically in the cold.

Not that we take road trips often in the winter, but there's usually a trip to Peterborough or Toronto at least once a winter.

Tesladom · #**546** Posted **Sep 14, 2020, 2:47 PM**

Supercharging is still much cheaper than gas, my stops are usually $11-$13 (Tesla Supercharger network)

Here's a few pointers (From Tesla specific perspective)
- only juice up when your battery is low, say 20%, your charging rate levels are lower once above 50%. You have charged by the minute, not KW/hr. So aim for highest charging rate. avoid idle charging fees
- Don't bother filling up the battery, look at your destination and have enough to get there - assuming your destination is home or somewhere with a charger available - I only stay at Hotels with destination charging. Get free electrons that way.

Although Supercharging rates can be steep as compared to home charging, they should still be cheaper than gas, but also understand that you get cheap or free electrons at home or your destinations, only Supercharge to get you there, no need to "refill"

roger1818 · #**547** Posted **Sep 14, 2020, 3:41 PM**

Tesladom provides some great advice. The other thing to consider is that while charging at the hotel is obviously the most convenient option, if the hotel with charging is significantly more expensive than one without, see if there is somewhere else you can charge nearby one of the hotels without charging. This will become less and less of an issue as more hotels have EV charging available.

The other thing is I know you don't drive much in your daily life, but how much will you save on gas for that compared to how much you will pay for charging on road trips?

CanadaGoose · #**548** Posted **Sep 14, 2020, 4:31 PM**

I drove to Montreal the past weekend.

At the Jardin Botanique, I arrived with almost empty charge. Paid 12$ parking and 2.50$ for a full charge session of about 4 hours, got 200km.

The cheapest charging network seems to be Tesla always.

If it helps, my charging bill every month is around 40$ to 60$.

roger1818 · #**549** Posted **Sep 15, 2020, 3:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by SidetrackedSue

I can't get over how much the fast charging costs! For some reason, I thought it would be cheaper than gas but, certainly in winter, it will be more expensive

Don’t forget that unlike all other Teslas, the Model Y has a heat pump, so it will be significantly more efficient in the winter. There will be a bit of a drop in cold weather, but not nearly as bad as it is with the Model 3. The MY’s winter efficiency will be more in line with the newer Kia BEVs, which have very good heat pumps and have so far set the bar for winter efficiency.

Truenorth00 · #**550** Posted **Sep 15, 2020, 10:51 AM**

The issues described here sound like friction to user adoption. Manageable. But would be irritating to those who don't want to be early adopters. Regular folks don't think about hypermiling and charging based on charges rates at different battery levels.

Truenorth00 · #**551** Posted **Sep 15, 2020, 10:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by roger1818

Don’t forget that unlike all other Teslas, the Model Y has a heat pump, so it will be significantly more efficient in the winter. There will be a bit of a drop in cold weather, but not nearly as bad as it is with the Model 3. The MY’s winter efficiency will be more in line with the newer Kia BEVs, which have very good heat pumps and have so far set the bar for winter efficiency.

I thought all Teslas came with heat pumps? Surprised to hear the M3 doesn't have one. Is it optional in some kind of winter package?

roger1818 · #**552** Posted **Sep 15, 2020, 11:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I thought all Teslas came with heat pumps? Surprised to hear the M3 doesn't have one. Is it optional in some kind of winter package?

No. Heat pumps are not available as an option on other Teslas. There is talk of adding it to the Model 3, but it hasn’t been done yet. I don’t know why Tesla has been so slow to add one to their vehicles.

CanadaGoose · #**553** Posted **Sep 15, 2020, 12:26 PM**

There’s not even proof that heat pumps are effective.

Last rumour was it helps the efficiency at near freezing temperatures. Nothing about Ottawa’s -10 to -30.

The best tip is always be plugged in even if it’s a 120v

roger1818 · #**554** Posted **Sep 15, 2020, 6:39 PM**

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There’s not even proof that heat pumps are effective.

Last rumour was it helps the efficiency at near freezing temperatures. Nothing about Ottawa’s -10 to -30.

The best tip is always be plugged in even if it’s a 120v

It depends on the heat pump. What you say is true for the heat pump in the Nissan LEAF. However, the one used by Hyundai-Kia is very effective in cold temperatures. According to this article about a test done by the Norwegian Automotive Federation:

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The Hyundai Kona Electric, which uses the new heat pump technology, took first place, traveling 405 km in the cold, compared to the nominal 449 km under combined cycle testing conditions (23° C / 73° F). In severe cold weather, the Kona Electric delivered 91 percent of its nominal range.

I would hope Tesla would use a decent heat pump in the Model Y, but you never know.

TransitZilla · #**555** Posted **Sep 15, 2020, 6:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by roger1818

It depends on the heat pump. What you say is true for the heat pump in the Nissan LEAF. However, the one used by Hyundai-Kia is very effective in cold temperatures.

I follow a channel called "EV-olution" on YouTube run by the owner of a Kia Niro EV from the Montreal area.

He did a good comparison of the Hyundai Kona to the Kia Niro; one of the things I learned is that the Kona includes the heat pump and battery thermal management at a lower-price trim level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxS5dFykm0

Truenorth00 · #**556** Posted **Sep 15, 2020, 8:02 PM**

It really 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 that a lot of this just isn't standard on all EVs. Sort of erodes confidence in the whole field.

roger1818 · #**557** Posted **Sep 15, 2020, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

It really 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 that a lot of this just isn't standard on all EVs. Sort of erodes confidence in the whole field.

Give it a couple years. Tesla is one of the last automakers to add heat pumps and cold climate heat pumps are still quite new.

SidetrackedSue · #**558** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 1:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by CyrusKafaiwu

If it helps, my charging bill every month is around 40$ to 60$.

It does a little bit. In 2019, I spent $1154 on fuel for the Prius. (And just $285 since March 1.)

Of course our distances traveled could be different. My son just got 800km on a tank for his Outback. Something I can't do on my Prius, but then again, his tank holds about 75% more than mine! (He semi-hypermiles in order to get that sort of mileage.)

The plus for me, is that I'll only be paying for electrons when on road trips since my building is not billing me for the electricity used. So that puts me ahead of the average EV owner.

On the other hand, it was well over $800 for the 110V outlet, so my 'fuel' costs for 2020/21 will be more with the EV than the Prius if I take a road trip next summer.

SidetrackedSue · #**559** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 2:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tesladom

- I only stay at Hotels with destination charging. Get free electrons that way.

Is there a one-stop website for finding hotels with destination chargers?

I see them on Google but ABRP sent me only to superchargers for my theoretical Atlantic Canada trip, and didn't direct me to a hotel along the way with a charger (I added Edmunston as a stop along the way and it still had me charge in St. Leonard and the destination charger there is at the Casino, not at a hotel.)

I know I'm just haven't found the right website for this use-case.

CanadaGoose · #**560** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 2:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by SidetrackedSue

Is there a one-stop website for finding hotels with destination chargers?

I see them on Google but ABRP sent me only to superchargers for my theoretical Atlantic Canada trip, and didn't direct me to a hotel along the way with a charger (I added Edmunston as a stop along the way and it still had me charge in St. Leonard and the destination charger there is at the Casino, not at a hotel.)

I know I'm just haven't found the right website for this use-case.

PlugShare.

I personally check here (because I am all Marriott rewards):

https://www.marriott.com/corporate-social-responsibility/electric-vehicle-hotels.mi

But, I haven’t taken advantage of the EV Chargers ever.