Edmonton Public Transit

[Rocket252]

^ Waste of time and money. How about making Highway 2 a fully functional 3 lane freeway with built in inteligence for the self driving crowd

[s4.audios]

Definitely would not want my provincial taxes go to this. I second the motion of 3 lane freeway QE2, with a speed limit increase to 140KM.

Any hyperloop or HSR should be funded and operated with profits going to EIA. Since all we ever hear when these ideas pop up is how the EIA is going to lose more flights to Calgary. Why not profit from the mode to get to Calgary?

[Coldrsx]

City-wide LRT in our two major cities would be a far, FAR better investment.

That said, VC support for fledgling companies would be even better.

Alas

[Hallsy's Toupee]

Sorry Alberta but a hyperloop in the Quebec City/Windsor corridor would be a far superior investment.

[Coldrsx]

Hyperloops are not density based IMO, they are distanced based balanced with ROI.

[Hallsy's Toupee]

If you want distance-based ROI then Windsor/QC is over 1,100 km compared with 300 km for Edmonton/Calgary.

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by Jaws

Hyperloop is a waste of energy. A distraction brought to you by the swing-for-the-fence UCP which has no arrows left in its economic recovery quiver.

Except UCP political pressure on AIMCO and Alberta Treasury.

"In a surprising development, however, the Alberta provincial government has agreed to invest about US$1.1 billion as equity in the project, thus substantially covering planned construction costs through the end of 2020.

The remaining US$6.9 billion is expected to be funded through a combination of a US$4.2-billion project level credit facility to be fully guaranteed by the Alberta government and a US$2.7-billion investment by TC Energy."

https://globalnews.ca/news/6755383/keystone-xl-pipeline-project-going-ahead/

[Rocket252]

Originally Posted by s4.audios

Definitely would not want my provincial taxes go to this. I second the motion of 3 lane freeway QE2, with a speed limit increase to 140KM.

Any hyperloop or HSR should be funded and operated with profits going to EIA. Since all we ever hear when these ideas pop up is how the EIA is going to lose more flights to Calgary. Why not profit from the mode to get to Calgary?

Profits going to EIA for what? The hyper loop would shut down EIA as an airport.

[Black Star]

Hey Alberta Government. Here's an Idea....how bout we focus on our economy/Oil & gas first. And if this pipe dream does happen to materialize down the road...maybe the revenue from Pipelines and increased production of Oil & Gas will produce this dream project. Cart before horse.

[Sewciu85]

Originally Posted by Black Star

Hey Alberta Government. Here's an Idea....how bout we focus on our economy/Oil & gas first. And if this pipe dream does happen to materialize down the road...maybe the revenue from Pipelines and increased production of Oil & Gas will produce this dream project. Cart before horse.

We definitely need an AB government that focuses more on the economy/o&g - it’s not talked about enough for sure. All I’ve ever heard any ab govt talk about for years is education, nanotechnology, robots, aviation industry, solar f***en panels, rockets, building shit. Gotta focus more on the future economy there and getting all that o&g to market - US, China, and EU is demanding it!

Edit: before I get banned for trolling, I support ab o&g 100%, but I think a narrow focus on that sector has come to our detriment and is responsible for the hole we find ourselves in right now. I think the solution is broadening our focus and supporting multiple industries which far too often gets painted as a win-lose.

[YegFan]

Originally Posted by Black Star

Hey Alberta Government. Here's an Idea....how bout we focus on our economy/Oil & gas first. And if this pipe dream does happen to materialize down the road...maybe the revenue from Pipelines and increased production of Oil & Gas will produce this dream project. Cart before horse.

^ another narrow minded post here.

Just imagine if we focused on technology here 10 or 20 years ago and we produced the Zoom and the Amazons of the world....Oil and Gas is not the only answer.

As major city in this country, we lag tremendously in the technology sector which is driving economic growth in many parts of the world.

Look at where Seattle was 30 years ago and where they are now Better yet, look at Austin, TX.

[Coldrsx]

Tawatinâ Bridge






https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x164/coldrsx/DSC_0068.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds
(all mine)

[Hardhatdan]

Originally Posted by Black Star

Hey Alberta Government. Here's an Idea....how bout we focus on our economy/Oil & gas first. And if this pipe dream does happen to materialize down the road...maybe the revenue from Pipelines and increased production of Oil & Gas will produce this dream project. Cart before horse.

How exactly would you improve the Oil and Gas markets beyond what is going on?
Slashing taxes on wells
Dumping a billion and a half dollars into a pipeline (and there are 2 major pipelines under construction and if Keystone stalls, its not because of Canada)
Dumping millions into a "war room" and other various marketing trips, talking points, advertising, blah blah blah

The provincial government cannot reverse the tide of a global GLUT of oil and gas in regular times, let alone during a pandemic. Can people not understand basic supply and demand economics? (This is ignores some pretty interesting progression on alternate energy technologies that will really mature over the next 1-2 decades).

Throwing more into O&G is going to come with ever declining returns.

[Hallsy's Toupee]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Tawatinâ Bridge

I found this on Skyrise Edmonton

https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/forum...-m-s-city-of-edmonton.24534/post-1588310

Did anyone ever figure out what that mass in the river was from?
We confirmed it was formed but unreinforced concrete likely associated with the original bridge foundation or construction methods.

What specifically changed with the bridge design to work around said mass?
Nothing changed with the design of the Tawatinâ Bridge foundation; once we were able to stabilize the steel cofferdam shoring to work around the mass and safely reached the concrete mass, we were able to remove a portion of the conflicting concrete mass and proceed with the micro pile installations beneath the main bridge pier. The remaining portion of the concrete mass that originally prevented the steel cofferdam shoring from being fully installed remains buried beneath the riverbed and remains in its original location.

(I was mistaken to have said previously that they needed to revise the bridge design)

There seems to be a big push to get construction wrapped up in the southeast areas from Avonmore to Strathearn, when can those communities expect to see the work completed, barriers removed, etc.?
You are correct that there is a push to get construction wrapped up in the southeast, however the reality is this same push exists across the entire 13km of the Project. This is not unexpected or unplanned. By the end of 2020 the majority of visible and intrusive construction activities will be complete, and we will be well into train commissioning activities.

When will we see work begin on the pedestrian bridge under the Tawatinâ, and when might we see it opened?
The concrete bridge deck final concrete pour, something we refer to as the “closure pour” will occur in early September 2020. Shortly after the closure pour, the pedestrian bridge installation will begin. For clarity the pedestrian bridge is an underslung shared use path, often called an SUP.

Before pedestrian access can be opened, we must first reconstruct the trail networks within the Louise McKinney and Henrietta Muir parks. The trail works cannot begin until the construction laydown yards are removed. The construction laydown yards cannot be removed until the river berms are removed. The river berms are required for access to install the underslung SUP structure.

Will the Tawatinâ bridge have accent lighting or LED features to brighten it up at night?
There will be LED lights “uplighters” for the towers. And the SUP will be lit for pedestrian use 24-hours per day.

(I was also told that the lighting will be fairly restrained, as too much lighting can negatively impact wildlife moving through the valley).

When might we expect to see test trains rolling through more of the line (i.e., north of the Gerry Wright facility)?
Train system testing on the tracks will gradually progress further and further north, including north of the Gerry Wright Operations and Maintenance Facility throughout this summer. Edmontonians will soon see more and more traction power poles and cables being strung and trains out on the line testing further and further north from Millwoods. They will cross the river in 2021 and testing in downtown will begin.

When might we expect to see revenue service begin?
We are working hard to have the Valley Line southeast operational for passenger service in 2021.

When can we expect to start seeing the various public art pieces installed along the line?
The public art will be installed “just in time” as a method to prevent accidental damage from construction or potential vandalism. We are working closely with our partner the City of Edmonton and the artists themselves to ensure the beautiful and unique pieces are installed exactly as the artist envisioned. In some cases, the artist will be standing directly beside a TransEd worker as the pieces are mounted.

Has the Alstom purchase of Bombardier's rail transportation division affected the delivery timelines of the LRVs? Is delivery of all vehicles anticipated for the opening of the line?
The probable Alstom acquisition of Bombardier's rail Transportation division has had no effect on the delivery timelines of the LRVs. The remaining 13 of 26 LRVs ordered for the project are will be delivered by the end of 2020.

There's a rumour that the grade of the line at Bonnie Doon and Whyte Avenue somehow got out of spec; is there any truth to that, and if so, what is being done to adjust for the difference?
This is a rumor. There is no issue with the rail or roadway grades or how they interface with each other along 83rd Street at the 82nd Avenue (Whyte Ave) intersection or along 83rd Street at the Bonnie Doon Stop.

In the overall construction of the system, which style of LRT does the Valley Line more so resemble, a streetcar similar to Toronto's light rail or a traditional LRT similar to Edmonton's existing system?
The Valley Line is what we call an urban integrated low floor LRT system. It’s different from a streetcar system, like that of Toronto’s in which traffic and transit vehicles travel in the same road lanes, because although the route primarily follows existing roadways, Edmonton’s Valley Line LRT is not intended or designed for vehicles to share the trackway.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule, for example, Emergency Vehicles. A prime example of where the Valley Line Southeast was designed to share with emergency vehicles is along 83 Street where the tracks run through the centre of the roadway with a single lane of traffic in each direction. In this area the Valley Line Southeast LRT was designed with embedded tracks and semi-mountable curbs which will enable emergency vehicles to safely bypass traffic if they are en-route to an emergency.

Additionally, the Valley Line Southeast LRVs will stop to allow passengers to embark and disembark the train at each stop, this is a traditional LRT approach rather than the streetcar approach in Toronto where passengers request that the streetcar stop at the next stop on the route.

All stops along the Valley Line feature step-free boarding which is different from the Toronto streetcar network where depending on the stop, users may have to step up onto the vehicle or use a ramp.

When it comes to the demographics of future riders, is it expected that the majority will be current transit users and new ones through TOD, or is it anticipated that many vehicle users will turn to the LRT for their commute now that they have the option?
In 2013, a benefit analysis report estimated ridership around 30,000 per day upon opening the Valley Line Southeast with long-term ridership projections at nearly 50,000 by 2044. These numbers are just for the Valley Line Southeast, a Valley Line West business case projects ridership of 78,000 for the entire route by opening day for the Valley Line West, and an increase to about 128,000 daily riders twenty years beyond the opening of the West.

The exact demographics of riders is difficult to predict, we anticipate that it will be a combination of existing transit users (due to adjustments to bus routes) and residents of the near-by communities through infill and TOD and existing residents who choose LRT as their preferred form of public transportation.

Will trains always be operating in a two-vehicle consist or will only single vehicles be used during off-peak times?
The trains will occasionally move in pairs during on-peak hours.

If the ridership demand for the line is greater than anticipated after opening, is it likely that more vehicles will be ordered from Bombardier (Alstom) for that reason alone?
The Valley Line Southeast project included the procurement of 26 LRVs. LRVs for the Valley Line West are being procured directly by the City. The competitive procurement process for these LRVs is anticipated to begin in October of this year. They will not necessarily be Bombardier Flexity units, but will be compatible with the infrastructure, power, and communications systems used for the Valley Line Southeast. Both the Bombardier Flexity LRVs ordered by TransEd and the new LRVs to be procured by the City will travel along the full 27 km route from Mill Woods to Lewis Farms.

It’s not uncommon for multiple suppliers/models to be used for LRVs along a single LRT route.

[Black Star]

Originally Posted by Hardhatdan

How exactly would you improve the Oil and Gas markets beyond what is going on?
Slashing taxes on wells
Dumping a billion and a half dollars into a pipeline (and there are 2 major pipelines under construction and if Keystone stalls, its not because of Canada)
Dumping millions into a "war room" and other various marketing trips, talking points, advertising, blah blah blah

The provincial government cannot reverse the tide of a global GLUT of oil and gas in regular times, let alone during a pandemic. Can people not understand basic supply and demand economics? (This is ignores some pretty interesting progression on alternate energy technologies that will really mature over the next 1-2 decades).

Throwing more into O&G is going to come with ever declining returns.

I've heard this for 3 decades now. It 100% false. Before the pandemic and the slow down and a federal liberal government and Provincial NDP Govt hell bent on some fairy dust green energy policy, Alberta was still holding their own.

"Alternate energy technologies that will really mature over the next 1-2 decades".

And what would that be lol. Would that be wind turbines and solar panels that are dependant on carbon energy to be manufactured and maintained.

I suggest watching Michael Moore's latest movie. (Planet of the humans)

Here's something that might help you understand where we are with worldwide oil consumption, renewables etc.

https://www.capp.ca/energy/world-energy-...20million%20barrels%20of%20oil%20a%20day.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/global_oil.php

[Hardhatdan]

Originally Posted by Black Star

I've heard this for 3 decades now. It 100% false. Before the pandemic and the slow down and a federal liberal government and Provincial NDP Govt hell bent on some fairy dust green energy policy, Alberta was still holding their own.

"Alternate energy technologies that will really mature over the next 1-2 decades".

And what would that be lol. Would that be wind turbines and solar panels that are dependant on carbon energy to be manufactured and maintained.

I suggest watching Michael Moore's latest movie. (Planet of the humans)

Here's something that might help you understand where we are with worldwide oil consumption, renewables etc.

https://www.capp.ca/energy/world-energy-...20million%20barrels%20of%20oil%20a%20day.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/global_oil.php

The fact you think nothing charged within the oil sector itself in the last decade shows you aren't paying attention (hint, it's the US' own production). .

Oil is a viable commodity, it likely will be for several decades in my opinion, but not in the way it was pre 2015. As for your partisan polish views, I'm not going to bother with a discussion on that, it's pointless.

Keep throwing all your eggs in one basket... Double down on it if you really believe it

I certainly won't be.

[feepa]

Using Michael Moores film as any sort of justifying one misguided opinion lol

That thing has more lies and deception than the entire UCP party and their cronies.

[feepa]

And how cute. Complaining about liberals and alberta ndp who are the only resson the tmx pipeline is getting built. Sounds like someone has been smoking too much of said fairy dust.

Lol conservatives are all been brained washed by big oil.

[Black Star]

Originally Posted by Hardhatdan

The fact you think nothing charged within the oil sector itself in the last decade shows you aren't paying attention (hint, it's the US' own production). .

Oil is a viable commodity, it likely will be for several decades in my opinion, but not in the way it was pre 2015. As for your partisan polish views, I'm not going to bother with a discussion on that, it's pointless.

Keep throwing all your eggs in one basket... Double down on it if you really believe it

I certainly won't be.

Well....I sure hope you don't like driving or heating your house with Oil & Gas. I don't think you grasp or care about the situation.

"Oil is a viable commodity, it likely will be for several decades in my opinion, but not in the way it was pre 2015"

How do you know this? Your magic 8 ball tell you this lol. As literally everything you do and use rely on Oil & Gas.

You mean since Trudeau has been in office lol. Your statement is inherently contradictory. Oil and Gas is just not for the combustible engine or heating your house.

https://youtu.be/winJj-1Q3uk

BTW...its getting old that these basic facts have to be explained over and over again to the brainwashed. Facts....they are damn important!

[Black Star]

Originally Posted by feepa

And how cute. Complaining about liberals and alberta ndp who are the only resson the tmx pipeline is getting built. Sounds like someone has been smoking too much of said fairy dust.

Lol conservatives are all been brained washed by big oil.

Wow.. Still having a hard time with actual facts and Knowledge i see. No worries. Let me educate you

Harper not only approved of the Northern Gateway pipeline (that only died when Trudeau cancelled it) he also approved Keystone XL (which only failed because Obama cancelled it) He also approved and presided over the reversal of line 9, the vital pipeline that now supplies up to 80% of Quebec's fuel needs with Western Canadian oil. He also approved and saw to the completion of Enbridge line 67 (Clipper) from Alberta to Wisconsin. Moreover, he presided over the construction and completion of the original Keystone pipeline albeit this one having been previously approved by a Liberal government. In addition, he pre-approved of line 3 from Alberta to the lake head which like TM is a much-needed replacement of an existing line which has been held up by anti-pipeline forces in both Canada and the U.S. Harper also ensured the full construction of the Canadian portion of Line 3. So, Kelly, Harper did get four pipelines completely built - Clipper, Line 9 reversal, original Keystone and Canadian portion of Line 3. That he didn't get the other projects completed was for no lack of trying and any fault to be attributed to his other approved pipelines can only be laid at the feet of the said Justin Trudeau.

This was the status of the last Liberal Parliament where it came to environmental hacks....
The Prime Minister’s former Chief of Staff was Gerald Butts, the former President of the World Wildlife Fund Canada, and a strong supporter of the Oil Sands Campaign. The Chief of Staff to Catherine McKenna (Minister of Environment and Climate Change Canada) was Marlo Raynolds, formerly Senior Advisor and Executive Director of the Pembina Institute, and a supporter of the Oil Sands Campaign.The Chief of Staff to Amarjeet Sohi (Minister of Natural Resources Canada) was Zoë Caron, formerly the President of the Sierra Club Canada and Specialist at World Wildlife Fund - Canada, and both supporters of the Tar Sands Campaign. The Senior Policy Advisor to Trudeau on energy and the environment was Sarah Goodman, formerly the VP of Tides Canada and, both supporters of the Tar Sands Campaign. When Kinder Morgan asked to meet with the Trudeau government, they were often passed off to Zoë Caron (former president of the Sierra Club) and Sarah Goodman (Director, Policy in the Prime Minister’s Office and former Senior Vice President of Tides Canada) .
If anyone thinks Trudeau had any intention of permitting any new pipelines you haven’t been paying attention lol. Liberals! Anti Canadian...Anti business...Anti freedom of speech.