Edmonton Public Transit

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Sadly, there was no priority for 102Ave, a lesson learned for the west. We simply cannot have a stretch like that in the middle of our Downtown closed for so long.

why not???

after all, closing streets and traffic lanes for immeasurably longer periods of time than really necessary is the most edmonton thing we do everywhere, not just downtown.

[Slide]

Alongside cost, wasn't one of the other main reasons for not tunneling the downtown section to avoid lengthy road closures? I constantly heard how the original line had jasper avenue closed for many years causing irreversible damage to businesses etc... and keeping the line at surface through downtown would avoid that. lol.

How many years was jasper avenue closed for?
How many years has 102 avenue been closed for?

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Slide

Alongside cost, wasn't one of the other main reasons for not tunneling the downtown section to avoid lengthy road closures? I constantly heard how the original line had jasper avenue closed for many years causing irreversible damage to businesses etc... and keeping the line at surface through downtown would avoid that. lol.

How many years was jasper avenue closed for?
How many years has 102 avenue been closed for?

i can't recall the exact number of years but - like 102 avenue - it wasn't actually tunneled. it was as disruptive as it was for as long as it was because it was excavated on a "cut and cover" basis. the only difference between that line and this one was the depth of the excavation, not the extend or the length of the disruption.

[mcc16]

Blaming lrt on jasper ave’s demise is a bit of an exaggeration/oversimplification considering Southgate centre, city centre mall, Kingsway, Londonderry, and west Ed were all built before, during, and immediately after lrt construction...

As for 102ave, hopefully the pain will be worth the gain. What was there before? A tea shop, a subway, and a mall that was already on the decline. But obviously it is a major inconvenience for businesses on nearby streets and the overall flow pedestrian, vehicular, and bicycle traffic. Is west phased? Or all at once like this one? Going to be a bigger potential nightmare if/when 109st and 104 ave is reduced/closed...

[Coldrsx]

The Valley Line West LRT route is being prepped for full construction of the project to begin next year. Crews are busy completing utility relocations and building removals to accommodate the new infrastructure.

Valley Line Southeast construction continues and Edmontonians will see shelter structures going in for the stops, the final sets of cable stays being installed on the Tawatinâ Bridge and Train #13 arriving in the city. (AHEM - no mention of a completion or opening date I see)

Additionally, the Kâhasinîskâk Bridge has been lifted into place over Connors Road and crews continue to finalize the installation.

The Metro Line Northwest Extension Phase 1 from NAIT to Blatchford began construction in June.

The City’s 40-plus year-old LRT network requires maintenance and upgrades to ensure it continues serving Edmontonians efficiently and reliably over the long-term.
In May, the City began major maintenance and revitalization projects to the network. Since then, we have completed several LRT crossing enhancements and upgraded the McKernan LRT Station Platform.

Work has begun on the Stadium Station Redevelopment project, it is expected to be complete by January 2022.

[adam-machiavelli]

Caution tiles and strips have been installed on the Valley Line Churchill Station platforms!

[Coldrsx]

https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/1298269648639553538

Jason Kenney
@jkenney
·
13m
Alberta has signed a Memorandum of Understanding to support a feasibility study of a
@TransPod_Inc
hyperloop between #Calgary and #Edmonton.

If developed, this could mean a fully electrified high-speed corridor between our two cities within a decade.

[Coldrsx]

Government of Alberta and TransPod Sign Memorandum of Understanding on Development of a 1000 km/h Hyperloop Transportation System
August 25, 2020
TransPod project poised to create 38,000 jobs and put the province at the forefront of innovation

EDMONTON, ALBERTA – August 25, 2020 – TransPod, the startup that is building the world’s leading hyperloop system (the TransPod system) to disrupt and redefine commercial transportation, today announced it has signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the Government of Alberta in Canada to support the development of safe, high-speed transportation in Alberta, based on the 1000 km/h TransPod vehicle. The MOU facilitates the process of attracting private investment to the province, in order to build a multi-billion-dollar infrastructure project. The project is estimated to create up to 38,000 jobs over 10 years, diversify Alberta’s economy, improve the efficient movement of people and goods, and reduce Alberta’s carbon emissions by up to 300,000 tonnes per year.

The MOU will see Alberta Transportation:

Support TransPod undertaking further study on the feasibility of developing its technology in Alberta
Share available transportation data as appropriate that may assist TransPod in assessing the feasibility of its technology
Work with TransPod officials to identify suitable land that can safely accommodate a test track
Participate in discussions with potential large institutional investors where suitable
No financial commitments or endorsements have been made by Alberta Transportation regarding the TransPod project.

The phases of the Alberta TransPod project are as follows:

Short-term: feasibility study (2020-2022)
Short-term: research and development phase (2020-2024)
Medium-term: test track construction and high-speed tests (2022-2027)
Long-term: construction of a full inter-city line between Edmonton and Calgary (to begin in 2025)

https://transpod.com/2020/08/government-...00-km-h-hyperloop-transportation-system/

[Hardhatdan]

Top priority!

[Hallsy's Toupee]

I'd like to know the proposed Hyperloop route from EIA to downtown Edmonton, especially when crossing Old Strathcona, going across the river and the downtown terminal.

[stefanYEG]

Calgary to Edmonton, or in reality downtown Calgary to EIA(?!).

No idea how realistic this project really is, but if it ever does go ahead, they need to bring it right into the middle of the city (Scona, DT, UofA, whatever).

[Harrison]

HSR is proven technology, so why not go with that other than using some newfangled, unproven technology?

[Coldrsx]

Not enough of a disruptive pivot. Needs more innovation.

[Hardhatdan]

Why is this important again?

[s211]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/1298269648639553538

Jason Kenney
@jkenney
·
13m
Alberta has signed a Memorandum of Understanding to support a feasibility study of a
@TransPod_Inc
hyperloop between #Calgary and #Edmonton.

If developed, this could mean a fully electrified high-speed corridor between our two cities within a decade.

FFS. Rome is burning, and THIS gets resurrected?

[Glenco]

https://youtu.be/-XFMIqiDWAc
I have posted this before. Apparently Kenney did not see it.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Hardhatdan

Why is this important again?

it's not. unless your dad and/or your grandfather worked for the railroad and you have nostalgic memories of how great things were.

it says they need 5 - 6 million passengers a year although it's unclear as to whether those are single trip or return trip passengers.

lets be generous and say they're single trips which means you need 3 million return trip passengers. that means you need to carry 8,219 passengers per day each way. assuming your travel is going to take place over a 15 hour period (say 6:30 am to 10:00 pm) that's 548 passengers per hour.

the typically hyped pods carry between 28 and 40 passengers. if 40 passenger pods are used at 75% capacity, it will take 18 pods to carry 548 passengers. 18 pods per hour is 9 per 1/2 hour trip. for a 1/2 hour trip that means 3 minutes and 20 seconds headway.

if 28 passenger pods are used at an average 75% capacity, it will take 26 pods to carry 548 passengers. 26 pods per hour is 13 per 1/2 hour trip. For a 1/2 hour trip that means 2 minutes and 30 seconds headway.

you can't unload and load a pod in 2 minutes and 30 seconds, particularly if you are going to provide both security and cleaning so you need quite a fleet of pods to try and deliver that headway.

and that's before you introduce those "freight pods" which probably need separate terminals for both loading and unloading so they need their own pods and their own headway.

for comparison, at subway speeds toronto transit uses a 2 minute headway for their ridership projections and 5 minutes for lrt. now think about the difference in speeds between lrt and hyperlink.

and now you're going to stretch this out not from suburb to core but run it between two cities 300 km apart in a fully enclosed tightly fitted chamber in a climate that sees perhaps the largest seasonal changes in temperature of anywhere in the world.

what could possibly go wrong?

[Sewciu85]

The only reality of this is the make-work feasibility study AB Transport will assist in.
I’m 100% for public transport and can’t wait for west end lrt but this is the dumbest f***ing waste of time and resources; a 2 year feasibility study to look for imaginary pent up demand.
This is either someone returning a favour or getting their pockets stuffed.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Sewciu85

The only reality of this is the make-work feasibility study AB Transport will assist in.
I’m 100% for public transport and can’t wait for west end lrt but this is the dumbest f***ing waste of time and resources; a 2 year feasibility study to look for imaginary pent up demand.
This is either someone returning a favour or getting their pockets stuffed.

maybe they could dust off this one:

https://www.cesarnet.ca/sites/default/files/pdf/posters/2015PosterT06.pdf
it says hyperloop makes sense if you could:

capture 60% of all calgary - edmonton travel!

capture 30% of all calgary - edmonton freight movement!

do you really need to do any more analysis of the underlying financial assumptions needed to make it work even if you could make it work physically?

as for the system, it said hyperloops can reach speeds of up to 1,200 km/hour and should be operational by 2030.

the analysis was based on 28 passenger pods. i shudder to think about what the headway would have to be reduced to meet those numbers or how many elevated tunnels would need to work flawlessly to provide a realistic headway.

[Jaws]

Hyperloop is a waste of energy. A distraction brought to you by the swing-for-the-fence UCP which has no arrows left in its economic recovery quiver.

I can’t imagine the engineering hurdles that need to be overcome to build a 300 km vacuum tube. Pipelines are designed to move slightly to compensate for freeze/thaw cycles. That’s why they are built with horizontal or vertical kinks in the pipe at intervals. Those kinks would make for a wild ride at 600 kmh.

The future lies with autonomous vehicles using existing roads.