The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

Sounds like a religious experience.

If that is your only frame of reference for feeling those things I guess.

The major religions are at their core just lessons in empathy after all.

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

If that is your only frame of reference for feeling those things I guess.

The major religions are at their core just lessons in empathy after all.

Especially Islam. Muhammad was the ultimate empath. I learn from him every day on how to be empathetic.

[rousseau]

[cabotp]

Originally Posted by rousseau

It does make one wonder how many of these triggered SJWs are actually just white people having a tantrum.

[savevp]

Pity is the new admiration, victimhood is the new achievement for the woke left. And as a "privileged" white person, pity and victimhood can only be acquired by proxy; adopting the outrage apparently felt by the racialized folks they claim to represent. Of course this only comes across as patronising and a new form of white supremacy - the messianic white person looking out for the little people.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

This interpretation is your choice. Ranting louder and harder does not make it universally true. Those that want to abolish the police have no chance of achieving that goal so what is the point in being alarmed.

MonctonRad does not look "alarmed" at all to me. Rather, it seems clear that he took the time to consider the demands and arguments with an open mind, found them insane and ridiculous, dismissed the people pushing for those things as lunatics not worth listening to, and went on with his life.

I find it very easy to understand, since my view is the same on that one...

acottawa put it the best: in my home province - and I'm assuming it's like that in every province - one perpetually hot topic is how to try to optimize healthcare­, a huge provincial budget item that everyone has a stake in; plenty of non-unhinged people taking part in those discussions, people of various political leanings, with plenty of differences of opinion; however no one would ever listen to nutcases screaming in front of the hospital holding "Defund Health Care!!!" signs.

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

BLM is a movement. It is not an organization. People are taking it seriously.

Some people are. Many aren't. As this thread proves.



On a semi-related note, I haven't missed SSP as much as I thought during my leave... also, my week was pretty damn productive. (I'd be afraid to know how many hours I spent discussing stuff, sometimes totally unproductively, on this forum, over the last decade+)

[LakeLocker]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

Leftists:

We WaNt To CeNtEr PoC vOiCeS aNd LeArN fRoM tHeM.

*PoC expresses a view they don't agree with*

Leftists:

YoU sOuNd HyStErIcAl


At least that's a step up from the usual ad hominem like Uncle Tom, race traitor, etc. that the left abuses minorities with when minorities aren't helping them win.

I feel like you're the one who sounds a bit crazy with your White supremacy masquerading as social justice.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is12FbYy62A

This one brings tears to my eyes.


FYI, genetic screenings of fetuses with autism is already becoming a thing. In a generation people with autism are gonna be a lot less likely to be born.

I also suffer from epilepsy . . . maybe I should be aborted? Who's with me?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

If that is your only frame of reference for feeling those things I guess.

The major religions are at their core just lessons in empathy after all.

More like to explain to oneself the meaning of life, and what happens to you after it ends.

[wave46]

I dislike the excessive use of the term 'racist', especially in regards to people who aren't really very racist, if at all.

It dulls the meaning and effect of the word. To hurl the accusation writ large on everyone at every chance means the word loses its power. At one point, being accused of being racist was a serious accusation.

Once you start accusing everyone of being racist (ironically by the simple virtue of the colour of their skin) you're going to provoke one of two reactions:

1. You'll drive many allies you might have away. If I'm guilty of being racist by the simple virtue of the colour of my skin pigment, I will never be not racist in your eyes. Thus, I am irredeemable no matter what I do no matter how stridently I support your cause. It's not exactly a conducive attitude to enticing me to aid your cause.

MLK needed his white (secretly racist, I guess) allies (Walter Reuther, president of the UAW and President Kennedy) to achieve the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. Alienating those people would been the worse outcome.

2. They own the word. The worst outcome. You've now created something worse - someone who doesn't care about being labeled a racist. They say "whatever" and shrug their shoulders. In extreme cases, you've driven them into the arms of the people who actively oppose your cause. You've another hardcore Trump supporter. If the goal is to make things worse come November and the next four years, this is the way to accomplish it.

In healthcare, we now know to use antibiotics as sparingly as possible. Simply because if we use them too liberally, bacteria evolve resistance to them. People react the same way with the label "racist". Use sparingly and only on the worst cases.

[MonctonRad]

+1

Excellent post.

Some of the people who are now liberally accused of being racist fought against the Nazis in WW2. Did they fight in vain?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by wave46

I dislike the excessive use of the term 'racist', especially in regards to people who aren't really very racist, if at all.

It dulls the meaning and effect of the word. To hurl the accusation writ large on everyone at every chance means the word loses its power. At one point, being accused of being racist was a serious accusation.

Once you start accusing everyone of being racist (ironically by the simple virtue of the colour of their skin) you're going to provoke one of two reactions:

1. You'll drive many allies you might have away. If I'm guilty of being racist by the simple virtue of the colour of my skin pigment, I will never be not racist in your eyes. Thus, I am irredeemable no matter what I do no matter how stridently I support your cause. It's not exactly a conducive attitude to enticing me to aid your cause.

MLK needed his white (secretly racist, I guess) allies (Walter Reuther, president of the UAW and President Kennedy) to achieve the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. Alienating those people would been the worse outcome.

2. They own the word. The worst outcome. You've now created something worse - someone who doesn't care about being labeled a racist. They say "whatever" and shrug their shoulders. In extreme cases, you've driven them into the arms of the people who actively oppose your cause. You've another hardcore Trump supporter. If the goal is to make things worse come November and the next four years, this is the way to accomplish it.

In healthcare, we now know to use antibiotics as sparingly as possible. Simply because if we use them too liberally, bacteria evolve resistance to them. People react the same way with the label "racist". Use sparingly and only on the worst cases.

Excellent points. I keep saying this as well but no one seems to be listening.

On point number 2, I suppose a classic (yet ironic) example of this is the appropriation of the N-word itself by African-Americans. It's most evident in hiphop song lyrics of course but they also use it to address each other in everyday speech. (Not sure if current trends will change that, but up until very recently what I say is true.)

In Haitian Creole, which is considered a bona fide language and not a dialect, the actual dictionary word for man/guy/dude is "nèg". Which is obviously an appropriation (unsure if it's out of defiance or for some other reason) of the term the French used for black people during that country's colonial period.

And of course, on the non-racial side, the gay community have appropriated certain insulting terms for their people.

So yeah, there is a strong possibility that at some point being called "racist" could become a mark of ironic or defiant pride for people who are racist, and even for some who perhaps aren't (or at least not much).

I know that for myself, I don't appreciate being called a racist (as I clearly am not) but this allegation I take far less seriously depending on who it comes from.

There are a few posters on here who come to mind.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by wg_flamip

We ought to make a distinction between those who believe in creating and nurturing globalized identities and those who merely seek to facilitate the global movement of goods and capital. Though the latter group may appropriate the language of the former to make their actions palatable and/or defensible, the two groups are fundamentally at odds.

Global capital has a vested interest in preventing the formation of a global class consciousness among workers. In the current globalized economy, national identity and, by extension, nationalism are used to alienate parts of the global supply chain from each other. Labour in the Uzbek cotton field, the Bangladeshi garment factory and the Canadian clothing shop are kept from forming a united front against the capitalist class that extracts wealth from their combined labour, for example.

My view is that the former are actually (and ever increasingly) simply pawns in the scheme of the latter.

[Pavlov]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Excellent points. I keep saying this as well but no one seems to be listening.

On point number 2, I suppose a classic (yet ironic) example of this is the appropriation of the N-word itself by African-Americans. It's most evident in hiphop song lyrics of course but they also use it to address each other in everyday speech. (Not sure if current trends will change that, but up until very recently what I say is true.)

In Haitian Creole, which is considered a bona fide language and not a dialect, the actual dictionary word for man/guy/dude is "nèg". Which is obviously an appropriation (unsure if it's out of defiance or for some other reason) of the term the French used for black people during that country's colonial period.

And of course, on the non-racial side, the gay community have appropriated certain insulting terms for their people.

So yeah, there is a strong possibility that at some point being called "racist" could become a mark of ironic or defiant pride for people who are racist, and even for some who perhaps aren't (or at least not much).

I know that for myself, I don't appreciate being called a racist (as I clearly am not) but this allegation I take far less seriously depending on who it comes from.

There are a few posters on here who come to mind.

Has anyone in this thread called you a racist? (genuinely curious)

[lio45]

Pretty damn certain that both Acajack and I have been called racist in all seriousness on this forum already.

(Also, I think dreambrother808 has been pretty close to calling a bunch of other forumers racist, though I can't say whether he actually did, or merely suggested it.)

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I know that for myself, I don't appreciate being called a racist (as I clearly am not) but this allegation I take far less seriously depending on who it comes from.

Yeah, when it comes from someone who's clearly not all there mentally, I just shrug it off.

In my several decades of living, I've been called worse things by better people...

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by lio45

Pretty damn certain that both Acajack and I have been called racist in all seriousness on this forum already.

(Also, I think dreambrother808 has been pretty close to calling a bunch of other forumers racist, though I can't say whether he actually did, or merely suggested it.)

He has certainly strongly implied that all white people are racist, either directly, or by association, and he has certainly liberally used the term "snowflake" for those he thinks intolerant of criticism. I personally feel like I've been told that I am racist on here (at least implicitly), which I strongly resent.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lio45

Pretty damn certain that both Acajack and I have been called racist in all seriousness on this forum already.

(Also, I think dreambrother808 has been pretty close to calling a bunch of other forumers racist, though I can't say whether he actually did, or merely suggested it.)

He accused Rousseau of posting lots of racist stuff no later than yesterday (which is basically the same thing IMO), and may have come out and called him racist as well at some point in recent weeks.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Excellent points. I keep saying this as well but no one seems to be listening.

On point number 2, I suppose a classic (yet ironic) example of this is the appropriation of the N-word itself by African-Americans. It's most evident in hiphop song lyrics of course but they also use it to address each other in everyday speech. (Not sure if current trends will change that, but up until very recently what I say is true.)

In Haitian Creole, which is considered a bona fide language and not a dialect, the actual dictionary word for man/guy/dude is "nèg". Which is obviously an appropriation (unsure if it's out of defiance or for some other reason) of the term the French used for black people during that country's colonial period.

And of course, on the non-racial side, the gay community have appropriated certain insulting terms for their people.

So yeah, there is a strong possibility that at some point being called "racist" could become a mark of ironic or defiant pride for people who are racist, and even for some who perhaps aren't (or at least not much).

I know that for myself, I don't appreciate being called a racist (as I clearly am not) but this allegation I take far less seriously depending on who it comes from.

There are a few posters on here who come to mind.

Are the Black and LGBT communities really comparable to the racist "community"?

[urbandreamer]

Meanwhile in the real world I see many interracial couples: on the beach, hiking the Bruce Trail, hanging out in downtown Hamilton, everywhere in my Toronto neighbourhood.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Pavlov

Has anyone in this thread called you a racist? (genuinely curious)

dleung I am pretty sure has, even though he might go into Shakespearean "what's in a name?" sophisms and denials about it, claiming that technically he didn't.

There are quite a few posters on here who strongly insinuate that anyone who is even remotely critical of BLM's methods, or even not sufficiently enthusiastic, is racist.

Not being rah-rah-rah BLM can do wrong = I want to go back to 1961 (or 1860) in terms of race relations.