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Acajack · #**13461** Posted **Nov 12, 2019, 8:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

I suspect they anglicized the pronunciation of Pimisi to "pim-missy" instead of "pee-mee-see" is to avoid sounding like a caption to this sign in Europe.

I could be good on your Pictionary team, too!

Nice try, but I don't have a Pictionary team!

Uhuniau · #**13462** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 3:12 AM**

I think we need an Ottawa toponymy thread.

TheMatth69 · #**13463** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 5:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

If you're an anglophone, why should it bother you how they pronounce things in French? That part of the announcement is not for you. It still means the same street or person it was named after, the spelling is intact. Thank goodness we don't have a station at Dalhousie

Totally agree. Furthermore even if "Lyon" is the surname of an English man, in the end it's still a French Surname. I don't think that Anglophone Canadians with a French Surname (theirs plenty of them out there) would argue if you would pronounce their name the French way, even if that's not the pronunciation they use daily.
My boss's surname is "Pelletier" and even if she doesn't speak a word of French and pronounces her name wrong (she pronounce's it Pelle-tier with 'er' sounding like NovembER), she always begs me to pronounce it the French way because she knows that it's how it's pronounced.

lrt's friend · #**13464** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 5:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by TheMatth69

Totally agree. Furthermore even if "Lyon" is the surname of an English man, in the end it's still a French Surname. I don't think that Anglophone Canadians with a French Surname (theirs plenty of them out there) would argue if you would pronounce their name the French way, even if that's not the pronunciation they use daily.
My boss's surname is "Pelletier" and even if she doesn't speak a word of French and pronounces her name wrong (she pronounce's it Pelle-tier with 'er' sounding like NovembER), she always begs me to pronounce it the French way because she knows that it's how it's pronounced.

It is very presumptuous to suggest that it is a French surname. We can debate forever on the origins of a whole variety of surnames.

lrt's friend · #**13465** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 5:47 AM**

We are now up to 5 straight days of LRT failures and pressures are mounting to resume parallel bus service until LRT proves reliable.

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I feel horrible for commuters tonight delayed in the cold by another train failure. It’s time to bring back the suburban routes until some period of virtually flawless performance is achieved. @JimWatsonOttawa, we need to initiate discussions on how to do this. @cmckenney

From Jeff Leiper's Twitter

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I waited for 4 trains at Parliament station. They were full. I left my office at 350 downtown and I arrived home in Orleans at my house at 6pm.

From Catherine McKenney

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After careful consideration @JLeiper and I are calling for the restoration of all R1 busses until the trains are dependable. #LRT

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When asked what rating he would give RTG, @AllanHubley_23 said "What's below an F?" #OttNews #OttCity

lrt's friend · #**13466** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 5:59 AM**

We now know why we can't run 14 trains, because we can't even run 13 trains without problems.

When we were unable to run the planned 15 trains during the 12 day trial, wasn't this a predictor of serious reliability problems that we have been experiencing for over a month?

acottawa · #**13467** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 8:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by TheMatth69

Totally agree. Furthermore even if "Lyon" is the surname of an English man, in the end it's still a French Surname. I don't think that Anglophone Canadians with a French Surname (theirs plenty of them out there) would argue if you would pronounce their name the French way, even if that's not the pronunciation they use daily.
My boss's surname is "Pelletier" and even if she doesn't speak a word of French and pronounces her name wrong (she pronounce's it Pelle-tier with 'er' sounding like NovembER), she always begs me to pronounce it the French way because she knows that it's how it's pronounced.

It is a fairly rare surname in France with that spelling (and almost non-existent among francophones in Canada) and a fairly common Scottish name (through Clan Lyon) and periodically an English surname. The English surname is probably of Norman origin (via the Norman Conquest 1000 years ago), which is related to French but the Norman pronunciation was probably different anyway.

acottawa · #**13468** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 8:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

We now know why we can't run 14 trains, because we can't even run 13 trains without problems.

When we were unable to run the planned 15 trains during the 12 day trial, wasn't this a predictor of serious reliability problems that we have been experiencing for over a month?

To me this is the biggest failure. It was an unproven vehicle, being put to an unproven use, it is somewhat reasonable to expect problems. The city should have just come out and said that the system could not operate the way they anticipated, but they had decided to accept a system with reduced capability, and were going to keep operating a significant bus supplement service until they could get the system operational, and then try to sue RTG for the extra cost.

OCCheetos · #**13469** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 12:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

We now know why we can't run 14 trains, because we can't even run 13 trains without problems.

When we were unable to run the planned 15 trains during the 12 day trial, wasn't this a predictor of serious reliability problems that we have been experiencing for over a month?

We ran nearly a month without any serious issue.

Nothing seems to be an indicator of anything.

acottawa · #**13470** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 1:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by OCCheetos

We ran nearly a month without any serious issue.

Nothing seems to be an indicator of anything.

That month was when a full parallel bus system was operational, when starting the system below the anticipated capacity was not going to be a problem.

OCCheetos · #**13471** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 1:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by acottawa

That month was when a full parallel bus system was operational, when starting the system below the anticipated capacity was not going to be a problem.

TCMS issues don't seem to be related to carrying capacity, or number of users.

That's the primary source of issues right now.

daud · #**13472** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 2:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by OCCheetos

TCMS issues don't seem to be related to carrying capacity, or number of users.

That's the primary source of issues right now.

What is the issue today specifically? Is it cold weather related? There are some tweets about "cracks in tracks" and someone noting the line running extremely slow with odd bumps between tremblay and hurdman.

Confirmed speed reduction (more like I can walk faster) east bound between Hurdman and Tremblay (via STN). Driver said speed will pick up after next set of switches. Felt a few unusual bumps along the way

We were told ‘cracks in the track’

whatever it is 5 straight days of downed trains is a total disaster. I really feel for the transit users and this is quickly turning into a nightmare scenario for the city.

lrt's friend · #**13473** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 2:45 PM**

Six straight days of failures.

Carol Anne Meehan makes three councilors who want to return to parallel bus service until the trains prove reliable.

Acajack · #**13474** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by acottawa

It is a fairly rare surname in France with that spelling (and almost non-existent among francophones in Canada) and a fairly common Scottish name (through Clan Lyon) and periodically an English surname. The English surname is probably of Norman origin (via the Norman Conquest 1000 years ago), which is related to French but the Norman pronunciation was probably different anyway.

Manitoba had a Premier by the name of Sterling Lyon 20 or 30 years ago. There wasn't anything Franco-Manitoban about him that I recall. And the name Sterling Lyon sounds very Scottish to me.

YOWflier · #**13475** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 3:12 PM**

I'm just going to quote myself from June:

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Originally Posted by ac888yow

My thoughts on all of these delays having been involved in both engineering development and project management and certification of massive programs like this are the following:

I completely understand peoples' need (or temptation) to react with anger and/or frustration and it's definitely warranted. However, at the risk of sounding like an apologist delays like this aren't exactly unusual (yes, even years-long delays) and the last thing we need or want is to go live with this project and have excessive/significant in-service issues. Those would be infinitely more disruptive and consequential to the delays we're having now, so I'm totally on-board with the City remaining steadfast in its refusal to accept a handover without a certain threshold of quality and reliability being reached.

Until then, the City should keep the heat on and continue to demand new dates from RTG, collecting a million bucks each time they blow past it. Succumbing to public pressure by accepting an immature product would be absolutely the wrong thing to do here. RTG owns this mess, let them stew in and pay for it.

We could and should have continued reaping penalty cash while RTG stewed over this mess and instead we were project managing in the public/media eye and ultimately the City was pressured into accepted a hunk.

OCCheetos · #**13476** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 3:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by daud

What is the issue today specifically? Is it cold weather related? There are some tweets about "cracks in tracks" and someone noting the line running extremely slow with odd bumps between tremblay and hurdman.

Confirmed speed reduction (more like I can walk faster) east bound between Hurdman and Tremblay (via STN). Driver said speed will pick up after next set of switches. Felt a few unusual bumps along the way

We were told ‘cracks in the track’

whatever it is 5 straight days of downed trains is a total disaster. I really feel for the transit users and this is quickly turning into a nightmare scenario for the city.

That sounds like the track broke because of the cold. The winter opposite of sun kinks.

That's a maintenance concern with some evident minor delays in service (longer end to end time, by maybe a minute). Also nothing to do with capacity.

Horus · #**13477** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 3:22 PM**

OTownandDown · #**13478** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 4:03 PM**

daud · #**13479** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 4:52 PM**

https://twitter.com/CBCOttawa/status/1194649145845440513

kwoldtimer · #**13480** Posted **Nov 13, 2019, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by OCCheetos

That sounds like the track broke because of the cold. The winter opposite of sun kinks.

That's a maintenance concern with some evident minor delays in service (longer end to end time, by maybe a minute). Also nothing to do with capacity.

One wonders what could happen when it actually gets COLD!