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[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Maybe the francophone citizens at that time referred to him as Monsieur Lyon pronounced the French way? Trudeau's name is pronounced differently in in French and English today. Rideau, Tremblay and Cyrville all have alternate pronunciations in the announcements. I actually think the pronunciation of Pimisi should also be adjusted to be more phonetic in French, the first short i sounds unnatural.

Don't confuse different accents with different languages. All those names are French. If you tried to say any of them "in English", you'd have a very different sound from anything made by anyone in Ottawa.

[lrt's friend]

There is a degree of political correctness on these things, and it seems that bilingualism on names has become a one way street. Heaven forbid that we use a true English pronunciation for a surname that has both an English and French version, when it is indeed referring to the French version.

[Kitchissippi]

If you're an anglophone, why should it bother you how they pronounce things in French? That part of the announcement is not for you. It still means the same street or person it was named after, the spelling is intact. Thank goodness we don't have a station at Dalhousie

[GoTrans]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

If you're an anglophone, why should it bother you how they pronounce things in French? That part of the announcement is not for you. It still means the same street or person it was named after, the spelling is intact. Thank goodness we don't have a station at Dalhousie

If you want a real laugh just listen to Google Maps to see how they bastardize the french or "franglais" languages. If Saint Laurent Blvd were a road it would be pronounced as : "kemin Saint Lorent road" in "english" by google.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by acottawa

As far as I know Lyon Street was named after Robert Lyon, the Mayor around the time of Confederation, who was a Scotsman.

Not sure about the details but Lyon St. in Ottawa is definitely named for someone who had origins in the British Isles, not after the city in France.

Among local francophones you get a mix of both the English and French ways of saying, but longer established local francophones probably default more to the English way because that's the way all of the francophone traffic reporters on the radio say it.

STO's on board stop announcements also say Lyon the English way.

Francophone tourists in town from Montreal, Caraquet or even Lyon itself probably all say it the French way.

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by Catenary

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[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

If you're an anglophone, why should it bother you how they pronounce things in French? That part of the announcement is not for you. It still means the same street or person it was named after, the spelling is intact. Thank goodness we don't have a station at Dalhousie

The point is that anglophones are expected to accept French pronunciations in English announcements but this does not apply the other way around.

In this particular case, it will eventually get to the point that many will believe that Robert Lyon was a francophone name. It probably has already reached that point when requests have been made to change the pronunciation.

I am sorry but I am a bit of stickler about proper pronunciation of names. I know it is a lost cause especially with the long mispronounced Smyth Road, named after Lt Col. William Smyth (Smith) and his son John Smyth.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

The point is that anglophones are expected to accept French pronunciations in English announcements but this does not apply the other way around.

In this particular case, it will eventually get to the point that many will believe that Robert Lyon was a francophone name. It probably has already reached that point when requests have been made to change the pronunciation.

I am sorry but I am a bit of stickler about proper pronunciation of names. I know it is a lost cause especially with the long mispronounced Smyth Road, named after Lt Col. William Smyth (Smith) and his son John Smyth.

Just to be clear - what does the O-Train announcement for Lyon Station say at the moment?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by TheMatth69

A lot of but hurted anglophone in this thread.
Lebreton was always pronounced in English even though it's a French name (pronounced L'breton),

LeBreton has AFAIK always been pronounced "Lubb-retton" in English, and the French way in French.

For the record it was named for a pioneer of the area who was actually British, from the Channel Islands I believe.

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Not sure about the details but Lyon St. in Ottawa is definitely named for someone who had origins in the British Isles, not after the city in France..

Which can be traced farther back in time to the Normans from Lyons-la-Forêt in Haute-Normandie, which in turn got its name not from a lion but from its river La Lieure!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Which can be traced farther back in time to the Normans from Lyons-la-Forêt in Haute-Normandie, which in turn got its name not from a lion but from its river La Lieure!

Great stuff.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Which can be traced farther back in time to the Normans from Lyons-la-Forêt in Haute-Normandie, which in turn got its name not from a lion but from its river La Lieure!

Maybe, but when naming something after someone, we should be pronouncing it the way they wanted their name pronounced, not the way their distant ancestors might have pronounced their name.

A similar example is the correct way to pronounce the University of Notre Dame (in Indiana) is not the same as the way you would pronounce the cathedral.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Maybe, but when naming something after someone, we should be pronouncing it the way they wanted their name pronounced, not the way their distant ancestors might have pronounced their name.

A similar example is the correct way to pronounce the University of Notre Dame (in Indiana) is not the same as the way you would pronounce the cathedral.

Even francophone TV sports guys say "noe-ttur daym".

[lrt's friend]

I like hearing some of the old Irish pronunciations that in urban Ottawa have mostly been lost.

For example, we all pronounce Heron Road, Hair un. I was surprised to hear an old timer say Her un. I spoke to a descendant of that family who agreed that this is the way it used to be pronounced.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I like hearing some of the old Irish pronunciations that in urban Ottawa have mostly been lost.

For example, we all pronounce Heron Road, Hair un. I was surprised to hear an old timer say Her un. I spoke to a descendant of that family who agreed that this is the way it used to be pronounced.

I find it unfortunate when local place name pronunciations gets changed due to outside pressures.

I am thinking of MacKay St. and MacKay Lake, both of which were named for Thomas McKay and should be pronounced "mc-eye" but most people say "mc-ay".

It's not named for a local person but Gladstone Ave. should be pronounced "glad-stin" as per the former British PM it is named for, but everyone say "glad-stoan".

And was New "Edinburgh" ever pronounced like the city in Scotland?

[Kitchissippi]

This is how "L'enfant de Castille" turns into Elephant and Castle

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

This is how "L'enfant de Castille" turns into Elephant and Castle

I think I want you on my trivia team!

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I find it unfortunate when local place name pronunciations gets changed due to outside pressures.

I am thinking of MacKay St. and MacKay Lake, both of which were named for Thomas McKay and should be pronounced "mc-eye" but most people say "mc-ay".

It's not named for a local person but Gladstone Ave. should be pronounced "glad-stin" as per the former British PM it is named for, but everyone say "glad-stoan".

And was New "Edinburgh" ever pronounced like the city in Scotland?

I have found the McKay versus MacKay spelling so difficult to wrap my mind around and I wondered why they were so inconsistent about it.

Another interesting fact is that for years Crichton Street was named Creighton Street. Why the past misspelling, I don't know?

I have never heard anybody say Glad-stin in Ottawa. Something lost before current living memory?

I have heard somebody recently say Glow-ster (Gloucester), which surprised me. Most everybody now say Gloss-ter, but in my life time it changed from Gloss-siss-ter, which some older residents still use.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I have found the McKay versus MacKay spelling so difficult to wrap my mind around and I wondered why they were so inconsistent about it.

Yes, those two things named MacKay are in honour of Thomas McKay. There is also church called MacKay that is named for Thomas McKay.

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I think I want you on my trivia team!

I suspect they anglicized the pronunciation of Pimisi to "pim-missy" instead of "pee-mee-see" is to avoid sounding like a caption to this sign in Europe.

I could be good on your Pictionary team, too!