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Old Posted Sep 5, 2019, 11:15 PM
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There was a DBJ article today with pictures of this project and several others planned for the area around 38th & Blake Station:

T3 - 250k sf office at 35th/36th & Blake


The Current River North - 200k sf office at 35th & Delgany


Watershed (Catalyst Phase 2) - 167k sf office at 36th & Brighton Blvd


World Trade Center - 300k office and 240 room hotel at 38th & Walnut


Train Denver - 250k office, 12 story residential tower and 16 story hotel tower at 40th & Blake


3750 Blake - 348 unit apartment tower at 37th & Blake


North Wynkoop - 392 unit apartment tower at 40th & Brighton Blvd


Novel Rino - 427 unit apartment tower at 40th & Walnut


https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/...ojects.html?iana=hpmvp_den_news_headline
Such an amazing amount of development planned in RiNO. We will see what actually gets under construction before the end of the cycle.

It's pretty clear that RiNO is sucking the air out of any new downtown development (I'm looking at YOU, Tabor II!). I saw today that Chipotle has still been unable to sublease most of its office space in 1144 15th Street - a seemingly bad sign for the likelihood of any new downtown construction this cycle.
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2019, 11:24 PM
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Not a bad looking building.



https://businessden.com/2019/09/04/100-a...eloper-pays-10-5m-for-cherry-creek-site/


I'm hearing a buzz in the hood that neighbors may try to stop it from getting built. 100 Unit Apartment building in Cherry Creek North! O, the humanity.
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That's a good looking building, but would completely lack context on this site - a curved glass tower, even with as much as a 5 story brick base, still isn't contextual whatsoever. Maybe something more like this?

https://no33parkrow.com/#luminous-park-front-living
Designing buildings to match the existing "context" of their surroundings is exactly how Denver has ended up with an endless sea of earth-toned "land barges" that give the impression our city was master-planned by a single architectural firm.

Cities are celebrated for their dynamism and diversity, and many of the best cities offer a wide array of aesthetics to appeal to a variety of tastes. Why shouldn't this follow for architecture as well? Just look at New York or Chicago, where buildings from several architectural epochs are all located on the same block standing in stark contrast to one another. This contrast allows each building to shine and be appreciated based upon their own individual architectural merit, rather then just "blending in" to conformity and becoming inconsequential in the urban vista.

In Denver, new building designs always end up capitulating to conformity. In other cities, buildings strive to be icons and make a bold statement while simultaneously raising the bar for future buildings to follow. This is the fundamental problem with Denver's architectural landscape, and why Denver is widely considered to have an architectural "problem" while other cities do not seem to struggle with this issue; they are not a boring "one note" city like Denver strives to be.

Designing a building for "context" will eventually lead to overwhelmingly dull monotony in the urban landscape with little opportunities to break up the aesthetic homogeny. Adhering to the "designing for context" philosophy is a tell-tale sign of a city unwilling to be adventerous or take risks - a city lacking any meaningful sense of identity, as reflected by its efforts to artificially manufacture a sense of place rather then letting the city evolve organically.

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Old Posted Sep 6, 2019, 3:22 AM
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This is really scary. If it passes in Lakewood, why wouldn't it pass in the Front Range generally?

Why is it that Colorado is the only place I hear about these kinds of measures? Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, and Austin hate "transplants" too. Might need to take a closer look at Minneapolis or Pittsburgh if this thing passes. This seems rather discriminatory, I wonder whether this would hold up in court.
I know. It's freaking horrifying. The Front Range isn't going to stop creating jobs (hopefully). If this piece of shit passes, we'd end up with an even more severe labor shortage and skyrocketing housing costs, as people keep trying to move here to fill those jobs but can't find a home they can afford among the scarce few that are available. I don't know why people can't understand that. This law would change the Front Range into an unrecognizable playground for the wealthy.

Colorado has always had this weird aversion to newcomers -- more so than any other place I've lived by far. It's a part of our culture that I don't like. I cringe every time a see a "native" sticker. It's a sticker that usually means: "I have more of a right to live here because I've lived here longer." Those tend to be the same people that do nothing but complain about the place. I'd honestly rather spend my time with people who recently moved here because they fell in love with Colorado, and are still in love with Colorado.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2019, 3:24 AM
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If this is indeed statutory, I see no way that it trumps the home rule provisions. Thus the home rule cities in theory could be free to ignore it.
I hope you're right.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2019, 11:33 AM
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Designing buildings to match the existing "context" of their surroundings is exactly how Denver has ended up with an endless sea of earth-toned "land barges" that give the impression our city was master-planned by a single architectural firm.

Cities are celebrated for their dynamism and diversity, and many of the best cities offer a wide array of aesthetics to appeal to a variety of tastes. Why shouldn't this follow for architecture as well? Just look at New York or Chicago, where buildings from several architectural epochs are all located on the same block standing in stark contrast to one another. This contrast allows each building to shine and be appreciated based upon their own individual architectural merit, rather then just "blending in" to conformity and becoming inconsequential in the urban vista.

In Denver, new building designs always end up capitulating to conformity. In other cities, buildings strive to be icons and make a bold statement while simultaneously raising the bar for future buildings to follow. This is the fundamental problem with Denver's architectural landscape, and why Denver is widely considered to have an architectural "problem" while other cities do not seem to struggle with this issue; they are not a boring "one note" city like Denver strives to be.

Designing a building for "context" will eventually lead to overwhelmingly dull monotony in the urban landscape with little opportunities to break up the aesthetic homogeny. Adhering to the "designing for context" philosophy is a tell-tale sign of a city unwilling to be adventerous or take risks - a city lacking any meaningful sense of identity, as reflected by its efforts to artificially manufacture a sense of place rather then letting the city evolve organically.

Who, specifically, is this "Denver," that, "strives to be boring." And who, specifically, is this "Building" fellow, who "capitulates to conformaty." It sounds like these people need a good talking to.
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I suspect that Market dude is to blame. That guy can be a real asshole.
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Something like Museum Tower in Dallas would be a better option on this small parcel, but with a brick base to better tie itself into Larimer Square.



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If you told me this building and the new Bell Tower massing concept were from the same architect I would believe you. I see very very little difference conceptually between them. Once the Bell is value engineered in a way this tower obviously was to make every floor identical to save construction costs and time you're going to basically have the same building anyway.
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I know. It's freaking horrifying. The Front Range isn't going to stop creating jobs (hopefully). If this piece of shit passes, we'd end up with an even more severe labor shortage and skyrocketing housing costs, as people keep trying to move here to fill those jobs but can't find a home they can afford among the scarce few that are available. I don't know why people can't understand that. This law would change the Front Range into an unrecognizable playground for the wealthy.

Colorado has always had this weird aversion to newcomers -- more so than any other place I've lived by far. It's a part of our culture that I don't like. I cringe every time a see a "native" sticker. It's a sticker that usually means: "I have more of a right to live here because I've lived here longer." Those tend to be the same people that do nothing but complain about the place. I'd honestly rather spend my time with people who recently moved here because they fell in love with Colorado, and are still in love with Colorado.
Agreed. I just can't believe people can be this stupid. It's also a subject that the far left and far right agree on. If it passes, this pretty much means my own kids will be living with us until we have to move to the home and then the can take over the house. It's already expensive enough to live here!
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Not a bad looking building.



https://businessden.com/2019/09/04/100-a...eloper-pays-10-5m-for-cherry-creek-site/


I'm hearing a buzz in the hood that neighbors may try to stop it from getting built. 100 Unit Apartment building in Cherry Creek North! O, the humanity.
Apparently a weed filled lot is better for the neighborhood? 5 stories would be shorter than the building just a block to the south, and the same height as a building a block to the west.
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Cities that cap new housing construction at 1% or whatever should also be required to cap job growth and other investments into the city by the same amount. It’s bull crap that Lakewood capped new housing construction at 1% but still wants as much job creation as possible at the Federal Center and throughout the city, as well as commercial and retail development.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2019, 5:54 PM
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This is really scary. If it passes in Lakewood, why wouldn't it pass in the Front Range generally?

Why is it that Colorado is the only place I hear about these kinds of measures? Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, and Austin hate "transplants" too. Might need to take a closer look at Minneapolis or Pittsburgh if this thing passes. This seems rather discriminatory, I wonder whether this would hold up in court.
This would further drive up the cost of housing - basic supply and demand. You limit the supply so it can't meet demand, then prices rise (both to own and to rent).

In theory, from a narrow pure economic self-interest, you could see why many residential property owners might favor this. Although home ownership has fallen, it appears its likely still north of 50% in Denver metro (couldn't find updated numbers). I would guess that homeowners are more likely to vote than renters, so a solid majority of voters very likely are homeowners.

What would be the consequences if it passed ?

* higher residential property values
* higher rents
* slowing of growth because Denver becomes a less desirable place to add jobs for companies because of high cost of living.


Of course, many land owners may say they are fine with all of the above.

I do think it unfairly hurts renters and younger people and would not support that personally.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2019, 5:57 PM
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Cities that cap new housing construction at 1% or whatever should also be required to cap job growth and other investments into the city by the same amount. It’s bull crap that Lakewood capped new housing construction at 1% but still wants as much job creation as possible at the Federal Center and throughout the city, as well as commercial and retail development.
If the whole Front Range adopts the cap, then I think the economic consequences would indeed reduce job growth and commercial development. Of course for many anti-growthers, that's a feature, not a bug.
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Not a bad looking building.

I'm hearing a buzz in the hood that neighbors may try to stop it from getting built. 100 Unit Apartment building in Cherry Creek North! O, the humanity.
The BusinessDen piece did mention that the rendering was done by Shears Adkins Rockmore but Mill Creek has since shifted to OZ Architecture. You know what that means.

I suspect Mill Creek must have confidence and patience for the planning-permitting approval process.

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If this is indeed statutory, I see no way that it trumps the home rule provisions. Thus the home rule cities in theory could be free to ignore it.
They must have gotten legal advise that believes differently.

After consulting with Wikipedia, aside from unincorporated areas virtually everything else is 'Home Rule.'
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There's a part of me that thinks the Front Range, on a whole, would strike this down on the ballot box pretty widely. I tend to think the folks who are the loudest on this issue may be a majority in places like Boulder/Lakewood/Golden, but are a minority when looking at the entire metro. That's my hope at least...... I also feel like these idiots are probably either natives, or folks who have lived here a pretty damn long time. In that case, they are definitely a minority as many other people are recent transplants and can recognize the dangers of legislation like this.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2019, 6:58 PM
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The BusinessDen piece did mention that the rendering was done by Shears Adkins Rockmore but Mill Creek has since shifted to OZ Architecture. You know what that means.

I suspect Mill Creek must have confidence and patience for the planning-permitting approval process.


They must have gotten legal advise that believes differently.

After consulting with Wikipedia, aside from unincorporated areas virtually everything else is 'Home Rule.'
They may or may not have gotten legal advice. They don't have to - there's nothing improper about the proposed measure on its face, the only question is whether home rule cities have the power to overrule it. If a city chooses not to, then there's no issue, everyone's happy, and the statute applies. If they exercise their home rule powers and override the statue on the basis that city "growth limits" are a local matter for which the city has superior constitutional authority over the state, and they don't want to abide by the statute, then the court fight follows.

Aside from the legal issue, there's the practical issue: Would the governing bodies of a home rule city vote to overrule a statute that their own voters approved? That seems doubtful to me.

Where it would get challenged is if the statute passed generally, but it failed in a home rule city and the home rule city adopted provisions inconsistent with the statute. The argument to the state courts (which I think is a winner), would be why do Golden/Boulder/Lakewood (or other cities) have the right to tell Denver what its growth policies should be? The state constitution gives home rule cities the right to overrule state law, when the law pertains to a purely local matter.

There's another truly remarkable feature of this initiative that, to my knowledge, has little precedent: Although it's a statewide initiative, in fact its restrictions apply only to the Front Range counties. Thus, remarkably, voters in Grand Junction and rural Colorado get to decide whether Front Range cities will be subject to restrictions that their own towns and cities will not be subject to. Imagine this: the measure barely fails in the Front Range counties, but the vote in the rest of the state carries the measure to victory. Thus, at least in theory you could have a situation where all of the counties that voted against restriction, are subject to it, while all of the counties that voted for the restriction, are not subject to the restriction. Imagine the precedent - it could cut both ways with future initiatives originated on the Front Range but only restricting rural and western counties in how they operate. I suspect there could be constitutional challenges based on this feature of the proposal.

Of course, if it passes everywhere then its easy to see a scenario where local governments simply go along with it, given the voter preferences.

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So let's make it a Two Shoe-drop Day as this is the day that our Boulder-Bob Governor shows his Boulder bona fides.

“Permitting definitely will get more difficult,” she said.

Colorado Asks EPA To Lower State’s Air Rating
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DENVER (AP) — Colorado took the unusual step of inviting the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to downgrade the air quality rating of the state’s biggest population center, and not everyone thinks that was a good idea.

It’s time to stop “sugar-coating” Colorado’s air problems, he said last month. “Moving to ‘serious’ status finally helps us stop sweeping our air quality crisis under the rug and gives us additional tools to move urgently to make our air cleaner,” he said.
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But business groups say the state’s own data shows Colorado would meet EPA standards if not for pollution from other states and even other continents. Lowering the air rating would hurt the economy by increasing the cost of doing business, they say.

Polis’ predecessor, Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper who ... is now running for the U.S. Senate — had asked for the exemption based on data showing that pollution elsewhere and forest fire smoke from other states had pushed Colorado over the limit, Seby said

“We’re talking about tens of millions of dollars in direct and indirect costs,” said Paul Seby, an attorney representing Defend Colorado, which advocates for business and industry on state and federal regulation.
Ka-ching, ka-ching
So who will be the winning law firms as the Front Range becomes Law Suit happy, happy?
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Anna Unruh, an air quality consultant for Trinity Consultants, which helps businesses get environmental permits and comply with regulations, agreed that a lower rating would complicate life for businesses and industry.
Statistics aside, it's a fact that Colorado has made great strides over the decades but admittedly population growth has mitigated much of that improvement.

So all you climate phobics be sure to vote for that one percent limitation to population growth in order to save the planet and please the Boulder Climate Gods.

Heh Joe; when can we expect that 30-foot fencing and tamper-free gates to get here?
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Cities that cap new housing construction at 1% or whatever should also be required to cap job growth and other investments into the city by the same amount. It’s bull crap that Lakewood capped new housing construction at 1% but still wants as much job creation as possible at the Federal Center and throughout the city, as well as commercial and retail development.
I don't get it. How is capping growth gonna solve the real problems for the average working stiff(Healthcare cost, affordable rents)? Seems silly.
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I don't get it. How is capping growth gonna solve the real problems for the average working stiff(Healthcare cost, affordable rents)? Seems silly.
Keeps others out, so I can live here without change. ...or something.
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Rage Against The Multifamily Machine — Resident Pushback Increasingly A Challenge For Apartment Developers
September 2, 2019 By Kerri Panchuk, Bisnow Dallas-Fort Worth
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Across the U.S., residents tired of urban development, density, traffic and housing costs have launched an outright war against developers to either reshape, curtail or stop apartments from coming into their communities.

In New York, developers have been yelled out of the room by area residents when trying to propose anything related to affordable housing.
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At least a dozen protesters were arrested in Austin Aug. 8 after pushing back against a vote to allow a developer to bring taller buildings and a mixed-use development into their community, KXAN reported.

Even in the supposedly development-friendly Dallas-Fort Worth area — where population has boomed to well over 7 million residents, spurring demand for more housing — citizens are aggressively fighting certain multifamily projects in the North Dallas suburbs. "I think more and more in these North Texas cities, residents are getting fed up with [dense development]," Frisco resident and real estate agent Brandon Burden said.
So primarily in specific areas then?
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"[Resident pushback] is everywhere," Dreien Opportunity Partners CEO Sam Ware said. "It makes no sense, and it will dramatically hurt job growth. This is where 60% of the workforces live, and the HOAs and anti-groups appear to have a limited understanding of how much [apartments] are needed."

One resident took to the microphone and asked city council members not to “drink the Kool-Aid on dense, urban development."
Don't forget to get your flu shots cuz this sheet is spreading rapidly.
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