Cycling in the National Capital Region - Page 79

On Edge · #**1561** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 2:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gat-Train

This is the third time this month a cyclist has been fatally struck by a careless driver https://globalnews.ca/news/5676171/13-year-old-boy-killed-orleans-collision/

It may be time to consider bike-free zones in dangerous places.

TransitZilla · #**1562** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 2:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by On Edge

It may be time to consider bike-free zones in dangerous places.

...or do something to make them safer?

There are very few alternatives to crossing the 174 in Orleans.

Personally I would take Orleans Blvd because there are no ramps there, but it's still not very good.

This is tragic. When I was 13 I rode my bike everywhere too. It's not like I had a lot of other transportation options.

TransitZilla · #**1563** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 3:05 PM**

Also, what a horrible, hostile place for anyone not in a car. This ramp is designed for someone to drive 100km/hr straight onto the highway.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4712349,...cOIVi0ViWgggBE-ijrMyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Kitchissippi · #**1564** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by On Edge

It may be time to consider bike-free zones in dangerous places.

That's not going to do much for reducing casualties because most road fatalities are caused by drivers hitting other people in cars, bikes and on the sidewalk. Common denominator: cars. Solution: negate cars from the equation by building segregated bike infrastructure.

OTownandDown · #**1565** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 3:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by bradnixon

Also, what a horrible, hostile place for anyone not in a car. This ramp is designed for someone to drive 100km/hr straight onto the highway.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4712349,...cOIVi0ViWgggBE-ijrMyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

This ramp, and every other ramp on an overpass in this city, and every other city.

lrt's friend · #**1566** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 3:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by bradnixon

Also, what a horrible, hostile place for anyone not in a car. This ramp is designed for someone to drive 100km/hr straight onto the highway.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4712349,...cOIVi0ViWgggBE-ijrMyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Looks like road design just before we started at least painting in bike lanes in the mid 80s. I see this on Hunt Club where parts have a painted in lane, and another section was built maybe months or a year earlier with zero accommodation for bikes.

Unfortunately, this is going to take decades to upgrade roads to provide safer biking infrastructure.

Ottawa Champ · #**1567** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 3:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by On Edge

It may be time to consider bike-free zones in dangerous places.

Problem is there there only so many highway overpasses.

Kitchissippi · #**1568** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 3:57 PM**

In Convent Glen's original masterplan, there was the intention to interconnect the pathways across the highway. The ROWs are there, and when the MTO widened the highway, they should have insisted on putting box culverts which would have been relatively cheap to put in then. Now that the city owns the 174 and rebuilding it for the LRT, maybe it's time to revisit this plan.

TransitZilla · #**1569** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 4:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by kitchissippi

in convent glen's original masterplan, there was the intention to interconnect the pathways across the highway. The rows are there, and when the mto widened the highway, they should have insisted on putting box culverts which would have been relatively cheap to put in then. Now that the city owns the 174 and rebuilding it for the lrt, maybe it's time to revisit this plan.

+1000

Multi-modal · #**1570** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 5:04 PM**

At some point in the LRT EA, or some early stage like that - I had suggested a T-bridge for better community access to Jeanne D'Arc Station. Still relevant...

waterloowarrior · #**1571** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 5:39 PM**

Summer 2019 cycling infrastructure consultations...

O’Connor Street Bikeway Phase 2 (Laurier Avenue West to Wellington Street)
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-en...er-avenue-west-wellington-street#1409146

Wellington Street Cycling Facility
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-en...rea#4-wellington-street-cycling-facility

Richmond Road Watermain/Cycling Track
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-en...main-replacement-and-cycle-track#1388335

Jockvale Road Multi-Use Pathway Rail Grade-Separation Environmental Assessment
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-en...aration-environmental-assessment#1380924

TransitZilla · #**1572** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Multi-modal

At some point in the LRT EA, or some early stage like that - I had suggested a T-bridge for better community access to Jeanne D'Arc Station. Still relevant...

For sure it is.

You can see in the satellite image the crazy angle of the ramp in the NW corner (from west/south on Jeanne d'Arc to West on 174). I think as part of LRT there are at least plans to square off the ramp terminal and make it more of a 90-degree turn from Jeanne d'Arc.

Gat-Train · #**1573** Posted **Jul 24, 2019, 6:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Summer 2019 cycling infrastructure consultations...

O’Connor Street Bikeway Phase 2 (Laurier Avenue West to Wellington Street)
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-en...er-avenue-west-wellington-street#1409146

Wellington Street Cycling Facility
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-en...rea#4-wellington-street-cycling-facility

Richmond Road Watermain/Cycling Track
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-en...main-replacement-and-cycle-track#1388335

Jockvale Road Multi-Use Pathway Rail Grade-Separation Environmental Assessment
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-en...aration-environmental-assessment#1380924

Good that they're extending the bike lanes on O'Connor.

The problem with the cycling infrastructure in this city is that the paths just abruptly end and dump you onto the street with cars whizzing by sometimes at 80 km/h

YOWetal · #**1574** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 2:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gat-Train

This is the third time this month a cyclist has been fatally struck by a careless driver https://globalnews.ca/news/5676171/13-year-old-boy-killed-orleans-collision/

On what basis do you say this? This article has no facts.

The Laurier incident maybe but it is also universally considered a poor design so how much can we blame the driver.

roger1818 · #**1575** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 3:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by YOWetal

On what basis do you say this? This article has no facts.

Agreed. Without any details, it is impossible to draw conclusions about guilt. Regardless, it is tragic to see a life end at such a young age.

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Originally Posted by On Edge

It may be time to consider bike-free zones in dangerous places.

Or another equally silly argument is maybe it is time to consider car-free zones in dangerous places.

mykl · #**1576** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 3:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by YOWetal

On what basis do you say this? This article has no facts.

The Laurier incident maybe but it is also universally considered a poor design so how much can we blame the driver.

In Ontario, insurance wise, the driver is at fault in ALL collisions with a pedestrian or cyclist.

The licensed person wielding the massive heavy machine is expected to be more aware and cautious than the 13 year old child on the comparably tiny bicycle.

roger1818 · #**1577** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 3:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by mykl

In Ontario, insurance wise, the driver is at fault in ALL collisions with a pedestrian or cyclist.

The licensed person wielding the massive heavy machine is expected to be more aware and cautious than the 13 year old child on the comparably tiny bicycle.

There is a difference between being legally guilty and being careless. The city could be considered at blame for not making the speed limit on ALL streets in Ottawa 30 km/h.

YOWetal · #**1578** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 4:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by mykl

In Ontario, insurance wise, the driver is at fault in ALL collisions with a pedestrian or cyclist.

The licensed person wielding the massive heavy machine is expected to be more aware and cautious than the 13 year old child on the comparably tiny bicycle.

Again we don’t know maybe he jumped off the sidewalk in front of the car.

No cars are not fault in ALL collisions. The onus of proof is on the driver to prove it wasn’t their fault.

30km on all city roads is beyond silly. Residential side streets yes but too many are busy commuter routes to even get any headway on these.

acottawa · #**1579** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 10:25 AM**

I think part of the problem is “what happened” is rarely released, which makes it hard for drivers or cyclists to learn any lessons from these tragedies.

eltodesukane · #**1580** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 1:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by bradnixon

Also, what a horrible, hostile place for anyone not in a car. This ramp is designed for someone to drive 100km/hr straight onto the highway.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4712349,...cOIVi0ViWgggBE-ijrMyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Pedestrians or cyclists have no choice but to go across the ramp, at this or many other such locations.
(the cyclist being 13-year-old is probably a factor, as is the driver being 79-year-old)