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Old Posted May 16, 2019, 5:34 PM
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Laurier bike lane where crash occurred denounced as unsafe

Tom Spears, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: May 16, 2019


Cycling on Laurier Avenue outside City Hall is fundamentally unsafe and can’t be fixed so long as bikes share the same pavement as cars and trucks, say a transportation expert and a city councillor.

Barry Wellar, a geography professor from the University of Ottawa, got a long, close look at it last year. He was being inducted into the Order of Canada and he and his wife stayed at the Lord Elgin Hotel to skip the morning traffic.

“Our window overlooked that intersection (Elgin Street and Laurier). I could have died of a heart attack so many times it would make your head spin,” he said.

“I thought, my God this is just complete lunacy. I don’t know what other word to use,” he said.

The problem, Wellar and others say, is that cyclists have their own lane, but it provides no real protection. It’s only paint, and in some cases the bike lane is between lanes of car and truck traffic.

“The design of that area is absolutely scary.”

Outside City Hall “you have a stoplight there, you have traffic coming out (from the underground parking levels) and I don’t understand the visibility of this thing,” he said. Drivers often block the sidewalk or bike lane while trying to enter Laurier.

He said cars and bicycles cannot share the same flat surface along this busy area.

“Why didn’t they put a curb in there so the cyclists have some protection?” Wellar called painted lanes “a joke. There needs to be physical separation, there’s no doubt about it.”

Councillors Jeff Leiper and Shawn Menard were planning to join a group demonstrating in front of City Hall to call for safer cycling infrastructure. The demonstration was planned for noon Thursday.

“This portion of the Laurier bike lane between Nicholas and Elgin is poorly designed,” said Leiper, who represents Kitchissippi and is a cyclist. “It is dangerous in its design by putting cyclists in the middle of criss-crossing traffic.”

One example is where cars from the Queen Elizabeth Driveway come onto westbound Laurier and some cross the bike lane, which runs between lanes of cars there. Another is where cars turn from Laurier onto northbound Elgin.

Both of these points affect the westbound bike lane, which is where Thursday morning’s collision happened.

“I’m through this corridor virtually every night. Last night, there was a driver across the bike line, which keep in mind is sandwiched between car lanes,” Leiper said.

“There is no protection for the rider. There is no segregation for the rider. It is just a strip of paint.”

He says the best solution is the one used on Churchill Avenue and Main Street, where the bike lane is the same height as the sidewalk. Other solutions involve making cars stop farther back than cyclists at red lights, and giving cyclists a green light before cars have one.

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Old Posted May 16, 2019, 7:24 PM
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Another cycling death Cue the angry calls for change...
Both stretches on Laurier between Nicholas and Elgin where the bike lane is "
floating" between the thru and turn lanes are horrible and need to be changed.

These need to be upgraded to cycle tracks and protected intersections.
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Old Posted May 16, 2019, 8:01 PM
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Both stretches on Laurier between Nicholas and Elgin where the bike lane is "
floating" between the thru and turn lanes are horrible and need to be changed.

These need to be upgraded to cycle tracks and protected intersections.
Agreed, and the Queen Elizabeth off-ramp needs to be modified to intersect with Laurier at or close to a 90 deg. angle (see changes to Colonel By Drive and Bronson Avenue ramps from 2015/2016).
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Old Posted May 16, 2019, 8:24 PM
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Both stretches on Laurier between Nicholas and Elgin where the bike lane is "
floating" between the thru and turn lanes are horrible and need to be changed.

These need to be upgraded to cycle tracks and protected intersections.
Sad to say, but priority is only given to improve poor design when there is a fatality.
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Old Posted May 16, 2019, 9:31 PM
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Speaking of better cycling lanes, when is Eagleson going to get some bike lanes? The ROW is more than wide enough to have segregated lanes on either side.
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Good Day.

No matter whether you are Auto-,Bike-, or Pedestrian- Centric...... this one just — !

https://twitter.com/YoniFreedhoff/status/1141702598011052032

City insanity at it's worst.

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Old Posted Jun 21, 2019, 6:31 PM
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Good Day.

No matter whether you are Auto-,Bike-, or Pedestrian- Centric...... this one just — !

https://twitter.com/YoniFreedhoff/status/1141702598011052032

City insanity at it's worst.

NoJoy!
From what I understand the city originally wanted to extend the MUP further east west but the neighbours freaked out that on-street parking would be affected.

So, the cycle track has to end and transition cyclists to riding on road. I think it's actually a decent setup for a transition to the road (apparently there is still road line paint to come). I've definitely seen worse where no attempt is made at all to transition and cyclists are just suddenly dumped onto the road, typically right at the intersection.

But it's way worse than the initially proposed MUP. Thank the local CA for that.

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Old Posted Jun 21, 2019, 8:18 PM
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Yup, classic NIMBYism. At one point local CA mailed out this letter encouraging people to complain, successfully killing originally planned MUP along Woodfield in order to preserve onstreet parking.
I bike/drive there often and nobody really parks there, except when there is an event in the park a few times a year.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2019, 1:41 AM
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Well this sucks

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Ottawa-Gatineau will be without a major bike sharing service this summer after the company that operates VeloGO confirmed it's pulling out of the capital.

In a brief telephone conversation with Radio-Canada, an official with CycleHop, the Miami-based company that owns and operates VeloGO, declined to explain why its bikes won't be available here, but said it hopes to return in the future.

The cities of Ottawa and Gatineau also confirmed the service won't be back this summer, but the City of Gatineau told Radio-Canada it only found that out Friday.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2019, 2:04 AM
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People are fat and lazy. Only explanation.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2019, 4:14 AM
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People are fat and lazy. Only explanation.
Or maybe, just maybe a service like that only works if it's as accessible and convenient as driving, which it probably wasn't. I really don't remember seeing those bike-shares anywhere outside downtown.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2019, 4:30 AM
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Or maybe, just maybe a service like that only works if it's as accessible and convenient as driving, which it probably wasn't. I really don't remember seeing those bike-shares anywhere outside downtown.
I think I saw some of the stations in different parts of the city, more specifically on the Trillium MUP at Beech and at Dow's Lake Pavilion. I saw quite a few parked around town though, because they had a service where you could lock it anywhere and they would come pick it up, instead of you having to find a nearby docking station like BIXI.

If they had more locations and a way to find said stations more easily, maybe that would help? Did they have that?
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2019, 12:02 PM
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Perhaps they got scared off by Lime who's been lobbying at City Hall a lot this winter. I thought Lime was coming this year, apparently not.
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People are fat and lazy. Only explanation.
People in Ottawa-Gatineau are no more fat and lazy than in other cities where these schemes work durably, like Montreal for instance.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2019, 12:59 PM
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This is for both Ottawa and Gatineau cyclists, but has anyone noticed that the sweeping of gravel, dust, etc. from roadsides and on-road bike lanes has been really bad this year?

I know that winter lasted longer than usual and it took some time for the clean-up to get started but while I expect this in April and even into the first part of May, geez... we're into July and in many places it's still very slippery due to gravel and other stuff like sand they dumped in the winter, and other debris left over from that.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2019, 1:41 PM
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I biked on the Rideau River Eastern Pathway (in Riverain Park)
and the path is dangerous for being much too narrow,
with numerous pedestrians going both ways and many bicycles going both ways.
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This is for both Ottawa and Gatineau cyclists, but has anyone noticed that the sweeping of gravel, dust, etc. from roadsides and on-road bike lanes has been really bad this year?
Terrible this year. It's mostly cleaned up now but it took forever. One that took a long time was Sentier de l'Île. It's a major route and part of it was still thick with gravel at beginning of june.

Long winter, no spring, flooding, .... lot's of reasons I guess.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 1:22 PM
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This is the third time this month a cyclist has been fatally struck by a careless driver https://globalnews.ca/news/5676171/13-year-old-boy-killed-orleans-collision/
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 2:29 PM
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It's driving me so mad that Transportation Committee Chair in this Council who was hand-picked by Watson has ZERO cycling and walking modal share in his ward. How can he adequately lead this important file?
And don't get me started on Transit Committee Chair, also hand-picked by Watson, who hasn't ridden an OC Transpo bus in his adult life, for non-photo op occasion
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