Calgary International Airport II

[The Chemist]

Originally Posted by BlaineN

The U.S. wins either way as the C Series, now branded the Airbus A220 will be built in the U.S.

Anyway, don't get uptight over the politics of it. Europe with it's subsidies and trade related politics is no better than the U.S. when it comes to Canada.

AFAIK, only A220s destined for American customers are being built in the USA. Bombardier in Canada is still going to be building the majority of these planes for other customers.

[PPAR]

Originally Posted by The Chemist

AFAIK, only A220s destined for American customers are being built in the USA. Bombardier in Canada is still going to be building the majority of these planes for other customers.

The C series is now well and truly an Airbus product, though it is still a Canadian production line. I hear that the Canadair CRJ program is also going to be bought and merged with Mitsubishi’s regional jet program.

Sad to see Bombardier fail at building a world class commercial airplane company, but for people in the Canadian aerospace industry, having those deep European an Japanese pockets may ultimately prove a good thing.

[s211]

Originally Posted by PPAR

Sad to see Bombardier fail at building a world class commercial airplane company

HA! One of the most egregious examples of corporate welfare in the country? Good riddance.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Further to all the above, being Canadians I think it is particularly disheartening that Boeing lobbying Trump is what resulted in the tariff against the C-series, allowing Boeing to sell their death 737 Max trap instead of the Canadian designed Bombardier.

I didn't think the A220 was competing with the 737 Max since the Max has a higher seating count than anything the A220 can muster. Wouldn't the A220 also be mostly regional flights over something like the Max being able to do longer distances?

[CrossedTheTracks]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I didn't think the A220 was competing with the 737 Max since the Max has a higher seating count than anything the A220 can muster. Wouldn't the A220 also be mostly regional flights over something like the Max being able to do longer distances?

Range is pretty similar (3350-3400 nmi for A220; 3300-3850 nmi for 737 Max). But they're not really in competition for seat capacity. A220-300 is close enough to 737 Max7 to say they're in competition. But at the extreme, A220-100 has just over half the capacity of the Max10.

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by CrossedTheTracks

Range is pretty similar (3350-3400 nmi for A220; 3300-3850 nmi for 737 Max). But they're not really in competition for seat capacity. A220-300 is close enough to 737 Max7 to say they're in competition. But at the extreme, A220-100 has just over half the capacity of the Max10.

A220 is supposed to be mid-size jet sitting between CR9 and smaller narrowbodies like A319.

A220-100 having half capacity is a feature not a bug. Supposed to be for thin routes.

[msmariner]

YYC stats for April. Solid numbers
https://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/factsfigures/passengerstatistics.aspx

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by msmariner

YYC stats for April. Solid numbers
https://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/factsfigures/passengerstatistics.aspx

Curious why international's biggest quarter is always Q1. Why do people from abroad think Calgary is a great winter destination? It that for skiing? Where are those people coming from?

[Rogie]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Curious why international's biggest quarter is always Q1. Why do people from abroad think Calgary is a great winter destination? It that for skiing? Where are those people coming from?

Could also be loads of people going to Mexico for a holiday.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Rogie

Could also be loads of people going to Mexico for a holiday.

Long haul lost LHR on BA and NRT on AC.

That increase is entirely due to Westjet’s hub with increased flights to Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. Obviously those flights have more than made up for the loss of LHR and NRT.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Long haul lost LHR on BA and NRT on AC.

That increase is entirely due to Westjet’s hub with increased flights to Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. Obviously those flights have more than made up for the loss of LHR and NRT.

Makes perfect sense. When I wrote the question, I was only thinking about non-Canadians coming here and forgot those numbers (obviously) include Canadians traveling abroad.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Makes perfect sense. When I wrote the question, I was only thinking about non-Canadians coming here and forgot those numbers (obviously) include Canadians traveling abroad.

Yes. And YYC being the main hub for Westjet has more passengers funnelling them from AB, BC, SK and MB as well.

[hollywoodcory]

Not really surprising, AC has dropped PSP next winter.

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Not really surprising, AC has dropped PSP next winter.

Are you sure? I also see it dropped from YVR. That seems odd.

I'm actually surprised they could not make this route work. PSP is year round on WestJet and 3x daily in winter. They can't fill one CR9, even if they downgauged from mainline?

[CTrainDude]

Originally Posted by YYCFlier

Are you sure? I also see it dropped from YVR. That seems odd.

I'm actually surprised they could not make this route work. PSP is year round on WestJet and 3x daily in winter. They can't fill one CR9, even if they downgauged from mainline?

I’m not sure how hard they really were able to try - PSP was scheduled as a MAX 8 through the winter, and the route was cancelled when the MAX was grounded.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by YYCFlier

Are you sure? I also see it dropped from YVR. That seems odd.

I'm actually surprised they could not make this route work. PSP is year round on WestJet and 3x daily in winter. They can't fill one CR9, even if they downgauged from mainline?

Where do you see it dropped from YVR? I don’t think so.

But that’s just it, Westjet continues to grow its network at YYC while AC continues to shrink. The pattern has been developed.

This has nothing to do with the Max grounding either. The flights were always scheduled to be on A320s.

[CTrainDude]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Where do you see it dropped from YVR? I don’t think so.

But that’s just it, Westjet continues to grow its network at YYC while AC continues to shrink. The pattern has been developed.

This has nothing to do with the Max grounding either. The flights were always scheduled to be on A320s.

They may show as A320s, but I can tell for certain that they WERE scheduled as Max 8s. I unfortunately have the itineraries from before and after the grounding to prove it....

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Where do you see it dropped from YVR? I don’t think so.

This has nothing to do with the Max grounding either. The flights were always scheduled to be on A320s.

I see the problem. The YVR depature is early morning, so your only connection possibility on AC is via SFO. It's weird they don't even time for a connection via YVR.

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by CTrainDude

They may show as A320s, but I can tell for certain that they WERE scheduled as Max 8s. I unfortunately have the itineraries from before and after the grounding to prove it....

They were A320s but swapped to 7M8 later on. I figured this was an upgauge the routes were doing well.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by YYCFlier

I see the problem. The YVR depature is early morning, so your only connection possibility on AC is via SFO. It's weird they don't even time for a connection via YVR.

I think this flight doesn’t need connections to fill from YVR. Pretty sure it’s just local point to point. They’ve moved the departure time earlier as well.