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Old Posted Apr 27, 2019, 12:21 AM
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I mentioned a few weeks ago that a new shelter had been installed at Greenboro Station, near the Park and Ride. The shelter was large, two panes of glass deep by 5 wide, with a single framed opening in the middle and electrical boxes installed at the back. Initial speculation was that it might be a waiting room for the casino shuttle.

Recently, work seems to have wrapped up on it. A single door has been hung in the opening, and six post and ring bike racks installed inside. The door has an electronic lock and contactless card reader on it, creating a secure bike room. I haven't heard any news about this, but it seems like it would be an interesting trial. I know Greenboro, Trim and Innovation are the three stations in the initial Bike to Transit initiative, I wonder if this is related.
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2019, 3:09 AM
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Ottawa Transit Riders founding meeting tomorrow. Will they get as organized as Bike Ottawa?
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2019, 4:09 AM
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My guess is post Stage 2, OC Transpo will replace some of the articulated buses at their end of life for use on Frequent and remaining Rapid routes, will continue to use their existing double decker buses on the Connexion routes to Barrhaven and Kanata/Stittsville and will purchase additional 40' buses on local routes (including the new local routes in Orleans that feed the Confederation Line).

I really hope the plan isn't to run the busiest urban routes on those 40-foot pieces of crap.

Route 12 needs to be run with artics at almost all times. Route 7 needs to be upgraded to artics - it's ridiculous that a route serving Bank Street and Carleton U is forced to run on 40-footers.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2019, 4:17 AM
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I believe there are issues on Grove, but I could be wrong. It's definitely in that area. Beechwood is an issue as well.

The 6 regular runs on double-deckers (including almost all runs on Saturday), and the 19 not uncommonly does so as well. There are no overhead obstacles on Beechwood, between the Rideau River and Marier at least, that would impede the use of DD's.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2019, 6:32 AM
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The 6 regular runs on double-deckers (including almost all runs on Saturday), and the 19 not uncommonly does so as well. There are no overhead obstacles on Beechwood, between the Rideau River and Marier at least, that would impede the use of DD's.
I meant Hemlock - forgot that there's a name change in there.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2019, 4:14 PM
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I really hope the plan isn't to run the busiest urban routes on those 40-foot pieces of crap.

Route 12 needs to be run with artics at almost all times. Route 7 needs to be upgraded to artics - it's ridiculous that a route serving Bank Street and Carleton U is forced to run on 40-footers.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2019, 4:27 AM
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I really hope the plan isn't to run the busiest urban routes on those 40-foot pieces of crap.
I highly doubt if it is.

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Route 12 needs to be run with artics at almost all times. Route 7 needs to be upgraded to artics - it's ridiculous that a route serving Bank Street and Carleton U is forced to run on 40-footers.
I expect that will change the moment the Confederation Line opens (and the new routes are enabled). Currently there is a huge shortage of buses of any size, especially high capacity ones. The only buses I have heard that they plan to retire (without replacing) are the hybrids, so the ratio of standard 40' to high capacity buses will decrease substantially, meaning there will be far more high capacity buses to go around.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2019, 12:30 PM
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Will the ratio still decrease with the introduction of the Novabuses?
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2019, 12:32 PM
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Will the ratio still decrease with the introduction of the Novabuses?
Yes, they're retiring another 82 non-hybrid buses which is what the new novabuses are meant to replace.
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Old Posted May 1, 2019, 11:15 PM
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Old Posted May 2, 2019, 3:20 AM
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Does anyone know where I can find stats about the ridership on specific routes?
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 1:28 PM
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Does anyone know where I can find stats about the ridership on specific routes?
You cannot. The only way I know of would be for you to contact your Councillor and get them to ask OC Transpo about specific routes. That way has about a 2-3 week turnaround.
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 12:58 AM
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Transpo zaps bid for electric bus trial in Ottawa

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Updated: May 7, 2019


An electric bus pilot project won’t happen anytime soon at Ottawa’s public transit agency, even though Mayor Jim Watson called for a trial during his re-election campaign.

OC Transpo has its hands full with the LRT project, and while there are electric bus options in the market, the agency says there’s no point in spending money on a pilot project when other trials are happening in North America.

The rationale supporting Transpo’s decision to recommend not running an electric-bus pilot project is included in written response to an inquiry filed last February by Coun. Catherine McKenney, who’s a transit commissioner.

“Conducting our own pilot project will simply replicate work and add costs with no added value,” Transpo writes in the response, citing projects underway in other regions.

Transpo says it’s also monitoring work by the Canadian Urban Transit Research and Innovation Consortium on electric bus technology.

The buses would need to work well in Ottawa’s cold months and across a geographically large area.

But adding electric buses to the public transit system isn’t only about the buses themselves, Transpo warns.

A fleet of electric buses would require major infrastructure upgrades to Transpo garages to accommodate battery charging. There might even be a requirement for more bus-charging stations across the city, Transpo notes. On top of that, a special study would be required to make sure the bus-charging requirements don’t overwhelm the hydro infrastructure.

Electric buses don’t fit well into the current transit affordability plan, Transpo says.

A single battery-powered bus would cost about $900,000, where a similar diesel bus costs about $630,000, Transpo says. A single charging station could cost between $450,000 and $650,000.

There would need to be a lot of research and Transpo doesn’t have the resources. The agency says a good time to consider alternative buses might be in the mid-2020s during a scheduled fleet replacement.

Instead of running its own pilot project, Transpo is content to see what comes of tests in other cities.

Toronto, one of a handful of Canadian cities trying out electric buses, is adding dozens of electric buses to its transit fleet this year.

Last October, Watson released the environmental plank of his re-election platform, vowing to implement an electric bus pilot project in Ottawa.

Around the same time, Transpo showed off a demonstration 40-foot electric bus supplied by Nova Bus as the transit agency learned about options available in the market. (Watson had to pull out of his scheduled attendance at the event to avoid accusations of conflict of interest during the election campaign).

A spokeswoman for the mayor said Watson wants staff to watch the progress of electric bus developments in other cities.

“Mayor Watson remains committed to greening the OC Transpo bus fleet by transitioning to electric buses,” Livia Belcea said in an email.

“We are aware of electric bus pilot projects being conducted in a number of other Canadian municipalities. Mayor Watson has asked staff to continue to monitor their progress and assess how and when a successful rollout of electric buses could take place in Ottawa. In the meantime, our priority remains the launch of the O-Train Confederation Line, which will lead to the most important reduction of greenhouse gas emissions in the city’s history.”

According to the city’s calculations, Transpo’s fleet accounts for 44 per cent of the emissions produced by areas of the municipal government. LRT and the removal of diesel buses will result in a huge decrease in emissions, the city says.

Ecology Ottawa, Healthy Transportation Coalition and the Electric Vehicle Council of Ottawa organized a petition asking council to run an electric bus pilot project in 2020 and start introducing the buses to the fleet in 2021.

Robb Barnes, executive director of Ecology Ottawa, said it’s hard to reconcile Transpo’s decision on electric buses with council’s recent declaration of a climate emergency.

“It’s not a surprising reaction, but I think it’s unfortunate they’re not moving ahead (with an electric bus pilot) and I think it’s a bit of a shame,” Barnes said. “I think as a city we’re in a position where we need to be bold and ambitious on our climate action.”

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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 1:46 AM
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Instead of running its own pilot project, Transpo is content to see what comes of tests in other cities.
Seems like the right call. No point in wasting resources to provide redundant data, when there's likely other investments that could be made to lower GHGs
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 2:11 AM
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I hope they are at least following Montreal and Toronto's trials closely so they can make a move to convert the bus fleet after Stage 2. the same
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 2:15 AM
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Gotta say from a transit perspective I like the idea of swapping Sparks and Wellington. Heck, personally I'd support Sparks and Wellington becoming pedestrian streets after the LRT opens.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...-only-argues-former-ncc-board-member/amp
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 7:35 AM
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Gotta say from a transit perspective I like the idea of swapping Sparks and Wellington. Heck, personally I'd support Sparks and Wellington becoming pedestrian streets after the LRT opens.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...-only-argues-former-ncc-board-member/amp
Yeah I'd stick with both and put all traffic on Slater/Albert and remove the bus lane. I think it would be hard to reintroduce traffic on Sparks but Albert/Slater is already a highway basically.
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 3:25 PM
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Definitely not. Wellington-Rideau-Montreal is one of few throughfares through the CBD as well as Old Ottawa East. I'm all for bike/bus lanes but all that traffic has to go somewhere, so closing Wellington off to cars is a no-no (unless it's only in the rush hour)
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 3:31 PM
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I would say reducing Wellington to one through lane in each direction (Kent to Elgin?) and using the additional space for an improved pedestrian realm (especially on the south side), would be a good first step. Going full-pedestrian seems a bit extreme.
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