City of Hamilton General Discussion Thread - Page 19

atnor · #**361** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 5:08 PM**

From my understanding, and correct me if I’m wrong, bayfront park was supposed to be a condo development; however, the infill was toxic and unsuitable for development.

Chronamut · #**362** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 6:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by atnor

From my understanding, and correct me if I’m wrong, bayfront park was supposed to be a condo development; however, the infill was toxic and unsuitable for development.

Bayfornt park was originally a toxic dump they converted into a park - you dig down and you're not gonna like what you find..

ScreamingViking · #**363** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 8:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by atnor

From my understanding, and correct me if I’m wrong, bayfront park was supposed to be a condo development; however, the infill was toxic and unsuitable for development.

Yep, and other things too. The book Unbuilt Hamilton details this stuff, starting on page 32.

In 1970 the Lax brothers proposed the "Bay Shore Village" residential complex, and then in the early 1980s "Harbour West Business Park" for light industry. The city followed up by discussing elaborate cultural/recreational facilities and parkland.

I think the final product was perfect, despite what may be lying beneath it. It was quite an amenity when it first opened in the early-90s, and now that trees are mature it's especially nice. The city probably avoided its own version of Niagara Falls NY's Love Canal tragedy by not moving forward with that residential proposal (perhaps with the business park as well).

Here's a Paul Wilson CBC story about Gil Simmons and the Save Our Bay citizens group that fought for the health of the bay and for public access to it, and the plaque that recognizes her efforts. They were instrumental in getting the city to rezone the land to prevent residential use, later expropriated from the Lax boys.

ScreamingViking · #**364** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 9:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by thistleclub

Their Town: The Mafia, the Media and the Party Machine

That's the one. Thanks!

GeneralLea · #**365** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 10:43 PM**

Huh, well the Hamilton Downtown Secondary Plan will be going to LPAT on the 7th of March.

(LPAT Link); http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/ecalend...day=07/03/2019

atnor · #**366** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 2:41 AM**

It’s crazy how much of our shore was infilled. Look at old maps of the City and you’ll notice how much Stelco and Dofasco expanded into the harbour.

I had a Hamilton history class at Mac, wish I saved notes and references. Something you guys might not know is the planning and design of Westdale. McMaster, or high society, was at the north end of Sterling and the business district was at the south end. The houses around Mac were luxurious with inspired design while the houses near King Street were more ordinary.

ScreamingViking · #**367** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 7:37 AM**

What's funny to me is that all the skullduggery and underhanded dealings have been replaced with ineptitude and chaotic proceedings (at least at higher levels than way-back-when? I either wasn't alive or wasn't mature enough to get it so I'm just spitballing here)

Nature abhors a vacuum. Maybe this is what we're left to deal with until true unadulterated leadership and collaboration emerge?

Chronamut · #**368** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 3:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

What's funny to me is that all the skullduggery and underhanded dealings have been replaced with ineptitude and chaotic proceedings (at least at higher levels than way-back-when? I either wasn't alive or wasn't mature enough to get it so I'm just spitballing here)

Nature abhors a vacuum. Maybe this is what we're left to deal with until true unadulterated leadership and collaboration emerge?

Yeah pretty much - the mafia used to run this town - and probably built a lot of it. I am sure their enemies are all scattered in that infill. Or in the bottom of the lake with cement shoes

So what do you propose, a return of the mafia? That isn't working so well for the musatanos

you know.. whack a guy here, blow up a bakery there, get killed in a drive by shooting in front of your home by a disgruntled enemy you put in jail the day he gets out...

ScreamingViking · #**369** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 4:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chronamut

So what do you propose, a return of the mafia? That isn't working so well for the musatanos

True unadulterated leadership and collaboration

Throw in a dash of decision-making that's based on sound reasoning. Because a dash is all this city can take for now.

Chronamut · #**370** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 5:11 PM**

egos and greed always get in the way of logic and reasoning.

atnor · #**371** Posted **Feb 23, 2019, 3:15 PM**

Here is the body of research my professor published:

https://www.researchgate.net/scienti...ncy_B_Bouchier

Pipedreams · #**372** Posted **Feb 24, 2019, 12:50 PM**

With 20/22 George topped out and the weather starting to de-thaw here this weekend I am starting to get excited for summer developments in the Hammer. Once the crane goes down on George, we will be without any high rise towers going up. So I was curious to get a sense what people here think will be the first of approved projects to actually get built? 154 Main west and King and Hughson seem to be a bit further ahead of the other project, anyone else have any predictions or thoughts?

King&James · #**373** Posted **Feb 24, 2019, 1:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by King&James

^^^^ I will get it rolling

5 For Sure

1) 467 Charlton (cant imagine not seeing three cranes going up!)
2) Jamesville Lofts
3) King & Hughson (this better happen!)
4) 18-30 King East
5) RC Phase 3 (at least the base section for towers 3 and 4)

5 Surprises

1) Platinum Condos
2) Metro Condos
3) 206 King West (part 1 of Vrancor twin tower flanking both sides of King...
4) 213 King West ((part 2 of #3)and partner to 2022 George)
5) Zellers Site - mid rise mixed use including boutique hotel

5 Hyped

1) 366-368 King West
2) TV City
3) 71 Rebecca
4) Tivoli
5) lots could go here , but give to Columbia College Student Residence , Main St W

Wow 1 of 15!, best if y'all dont go in with me on the lottery. For 2019 , #2 and #3 in the for sure column. The rest into the wishful list. Would be great to see Mac Grad Res go up (King&Bay).

Hawrylyshyn · #**374** Posted **Feb 24, 2019, 3:32 PM**

I think 154 main will be the next up

ZTrade · #**375** Posted **Feb 25, 2019, 2:07 AM**

1) 467 Charlton
2) 154 Main E edit: it's not W
3) King & Hughson
4) RC 3
5) Connolley
6) Platinum

Are underconstruction and will be in 2019, my predictions.

TheRitsman · #**376** Posted **Feb 25, 2019, 2:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by ZTrade

1) 467 Charlton
2) 154 Main E edit: it's not W
3) King & Hughson
4) RC 3
5) Connolley
6) Platinum

Are underconstruction and will be in 2019, my predictions.

I really don't get what's taking Platinum so long. They've sold out and I'm pretty sure they were approved.

ZTrade · #**377** Posted **Feb 25, 2019, 4:47 AM**

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I really don't get what's taking Platinum so long. They've sold out and I'm pretty sure they were approved.

I'll be surprised if all 6 aren't complete or near completion by the grey cup. Gonna be a different downtown then.

Chronamut · #**378** Posted **Mar 4, 2019, 5:50 AM**

"5) Zellers Site - mid rise mixed use including boutique hotel"

where was this stated? I would be interested in seeing proposed plans for that..

Chronamut · #**379** Posted **Mar 4, 2019, 6:13 AM**

Found this story about a torontonian who warmed up to hamilton - and their preconceptions of hamilton and of toronto I find are very telling of torontonians in general, and also highlights some good pitfalls about toronto and how torontonians leave toronto to escape the "simcity glass jungle" and that it should be a cautionary take of what hamilton SHOULDN'T become - a jungle of highrises:

https://torontolife.com/real-estate/...-hamiltonians/

Chronamut · #**380** Posted **Mar 4, 2019, 3:21 PM**

Found some new pictures of the playhouse cinema - no outside pictures yet but a nice before and after pic of the interior:

You can see some of the damage below:

Here is an article about it as well - sorry it's a bit hard to read with the glare - seems they are restoring its original marquee (or cornice in this case):

This is the only exterior pic I can find so far - apparently the new lit sign is on its way - dunno if it's been installed yet - I hope they can restore the middle support in the top cornice that was sheared off to make way for the sign:

Hmm I did find this - the view makes it look amazing - would love to see it during the day! That uplighting is such a beautiful touch and loving the moulding and paneling

Not sure why the middle section of the cornice isn't lit - although it looks like it has a jutout for the sign to go in front..

Some pics off playhouse's twitter: