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Old Posted Dec 20, 2017, 9:30 PM
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Some info on hamiltons glassworks from the 1800s, as well as a link that shows all of the entire city from 1876!



This pretty aqua soda water bottle was much admired when it came into the lab for washing, since it was completely intact except for a small nick along the top edge of the “blob” style finish.

The artifact had an extra surprise underneath; the base is embossed with the manufacturer “Hamilton Glass Works.” Once it was discovered that this bottle was made so close to home, we had to know more!




Hamilton in the 1860s was a bustling city and already one of Canada’s leading manufacturing centres. Within the city limits many druggists were bottling their own medicines and cures, and two soda water companies were selling products throughout the region. With these local customers in place, a group of Hamilton manufacturers pulled together some capital to open their own glassworks in collaboration with a glass manufacturer from Lancaster, New York. This glassworks was quite an innovation; it was the first one in Hamilton, and one of only five in Canada.


A group of workers outside a Hamilton factory, April 5 1893

The ownership team of the Hamilton Glass Works fluctuated over time. The original group included Lyman Moore, who was the first owner of the Hamilton Street Railway, back when the HSR was a collection of horse drawn streetcars. Hamilton Glass Works expanded in size over the rest of the nineteenth century, and was acquired by Diamond in 1891, the makers of the famous Crown canning jar.


A Hamilton horse drawn streetcar in 1875

Glass work operations were huge enterprises. The Hamilton Glass Works acquired a complete city block in downtown Hamilton, bordered by James, Hughson, Picton and Macaulay Streets.
That block is now primarily residential with some small storefronts on James Street, but in the mid-nineteenth century the block was packed with an industrial complex that included two large furnace rooms and tall smoke stacks pumping ash into the sky. You can see the size of the glass works in this pictorial map of Hamilton from 1876. That entire map is fascinating and is well worth a few minutes of your time zeroing in on different neighbourhoods! Go back a directory and you can see images of the city throughout history!


A close-up of the Hamilton Glass Works on the 1876 pictorial map

The Hamilton Glass Works closed in 1898 and torn down in 1920. On September 7, 1920 the Hamilton Spectator announced that the “ruins of the glass works at James and Macauley Streets, which have become a menace to life and limb are now being leveled.” We could discover no photographs of the glass works in operation, but fortunately many artifacts still remain to help us remember the factory and the people who worked there.

http://asiheritage.ca/the-hamilton-glass-works/
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2017, 9:56 PM
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So as we draw closer to the end of the year , any bold predictions for the crane scene in 2018.

Top 5 For Sure Sites that we will see construction (this will be sad if indeed they dont start).

Top 5 Surprise Sites (this will be a hard list, dead/quiet today - but get crane in sky in 2018)

Top 5 Hype Sites, but will continue to be excellent parking lots or vacant buildings for the whole year
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2017, 10:22 PM
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^^^^ I will get it rolling

5 For Sure

1) 467 Charlton (cant imagine not seeing three cranes going up!)
2) Jamesville Lofts
3) King & Hughson (this better happen!)
4) 18-30 King East
5) RC Phase 3 (at least the base section for towers 3 and 4)

5 Surprises

1) Platinum Condos
2) Metro Condos
3) 206 King West (part 1 of Vrancor twin tower flanking both sides of King...
4) 213 King West ((part 2 of #3)and partner to 2022 George)
5) Zellers Site - mid rise mixed use including boutique hotel


5 Hyped

1) 366-368 King West
2) TV City
3) 71 Rebecca
4) Tivoli
5) lots could go here , but give to Columbia College Student Residence , Main St W
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2017, 12:29 AM
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There are some projects I'm not sure will have tower cranes installed, and might use temporary cranes (Templar, The Alley) so I'm only including ones that will likely use a tower crane.

For sure:

Vista
Hyatt
Jamesville Lofts
154 Main St East
1190 Main St West, Mac Student Residence

Surprises:

King & Hughson
The Oxford
Royal Connaught (maybe, depending on how deep they intend to dig)
The Brockton
Platinum Condos

Hyped:

Metro City Condo
71 Rebecca
206 King West (Canlight owns this, not Vrancor)
366-368 King St West
Columbia Student Residence

TV city is planning for 6 floors of underground parking so I feel like they would need to start digging immediately in order to have a crane in by year end 2018. I still predict there will be activity on the site (demo & dig)
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^^^^ I will get it rolling

5 For Sure

1) 467 Charlton (cant imagine not seeing three cranes going up!)
2) Jamesville Lofts
3) King & Hughson (this better happen!)
4) 18-30 King East
5) RC Phase 3 (at least the base section for towers 3 and 4)

5 Surprises

1) Platinum Condos
2) Metro Condos
3) 206 King West (part 1 of Vrancor twin tower flanking both sides of King...
4) 213 King West ((part 2 of #3)and partner to 2022 George)
5) Zellers Site - mid rise mixed use including boutique hotel


5 Hyped

1) 366-368 King West
2) TV City
3) 71 Rebecca
4) Tivoli
5) lots could go here , but give to Columbia College Student Residence , Main St W
I got a place at 467 Charlton, it's only 6 floors. Have a feeling no crane will be used. but who knows!
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2017, 1:20 AM
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I got a place at 467 Charlton, it's only 6 floors. Have a feeling no crane will be used. but who knows!
A crane at this location seems.. dangerous.. it's a rather narrow stretch of land on the side of the escarpment..

It would be the first time I ever heard of a crane being used on the escarpment slope itself, as opposed to its base or the top of the escarpment.. I mean rock slides are a real thing and the added weight of a crane right above the rail trail seems.. risky..

but as you said, who knows!
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2017, 1:50 AM
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I got a place at 467 Charlton, it's only 6 floors. Have a feeling no crane will be used. but who knows!
101 Locke is only 6 storeys and it has a crane. I have seen cranes used in many tight spaces , cant imagine the weight of crane would be impactful on slope integrity (if it is hate to see what will happen with a fully loaded six storey building).
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2017, 1:52 AM
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101 Locke is only 6 storeys and it has a crane. I have seen cranes used in many tight spaces , cant imagine the weight of crane would be impactful on slope integrity (if it is hate to see what will happen with a fully loaded six storey building).
Yeah both of those are valid concerns imo. I mean one only has to look at how much effort has been made to shore up the side of the escarpment near the highway, and the areas where rock slides have literally warped those metal pieces, or where areas of the highway up the escarpment were closed off for a very long time due to the risk of falling rocks..

Now imagine one of these buildings collapsing onto the rail trail.. it just takes one really intense rainstorm to affect the structural integrity - it's not like the entire escarpment is packed down and compressed and super solid - it was detonated to create a lot of those passageways, resulting in unstable foundations.. and it's limestone..

It just seems really risky to build something like this so close to a pedestrian trail on the edge like that. And it is VERY close to the rail trial. Like literally right above it. You cannot guarantee anyone that the ground and the edge it is being built on is stable, you just can't.

Now imagine a crane collapsing and falling down the side of the escarpment.. how much damage that would cause..
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The escarpment is subject to constant erosion. It's just the natural process. The city has dealt with it since its founding... not always the best way (e.g., Claremont Access bin-walls were probably not ideal for achieving long-term stabilization, but it was the engineering solution of the 1970s). But overall, Hamilton and other cities and towns along it have managed.

When was the last time there was a catastrophic collapse?
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2017, 6:23 AM
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The escarpment is subject to constant erosion. It's just the natural process. The city has dealt with it since its founding... not always the best way (e.g., Claremont Access bin-walls were probably not ideal for achieving long-term stabilization, but it was the engineering solution of the 1970s). But overall, Hamilton and other cities and towns along it have managed.

When was the last time there was a catastrophic collapse?
Well there's this..

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...ands-1.2622273

"Webster said the erosion of these large chunks of rock, or what's called "mass wasting" will continue incrementally up until a more damaging event occurs.

"Mass wasting usually happens incrementally up until a certain 'tipping point,' then can be catastrophic when the supporting structure cannot support an overlying or adjacent rock mass," he said."

Aka it's like yellowstone park - a catastrophe which isn't a matter of if, but when.

As far as building catastrophes - this would be the first multi-floor unit built halfway up the escarpment that I am aware of, so there isn't really anything to compare it to..

interestingly my search DID bring up one of the worst canadian train wrecks in history..

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/don-...n-hamilton-ont

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I meant a massive rock fall where a very large portion of the escarpment face came down. The stuff that's happened in recent years is relatively minor (despite sensationalized news stories). Even at the waterfalls where erosion is more constant due to a continuous flow of water we don't see major slides happen often if at all, occasionally large blocks and boulders will crack off but on the grand scale of things still small.

There are large buildings along the brow in Hamilton -- apartments, the hospital -- that are only 20-30 metres from the edge; larger ones in Niagara Falls including bridges anchored along the rock face, the dams and buildings of Sir Adam Beck power station and its partner across the river... I think if the underlying geology is that unstable, we'd have dealt with a tragic collapse by now.

Provided the foundations are engineered well, I don't think the condos are going to be in any danger.
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There are some projects I'm not sure will have tower cranes installed, and might use temporary cranes (Templar, The Alley) so I'm only including ones that will likely use a tower crane.

For sure:

Vista
Hyatt
Jamesville Lofts
154 Main St East
1190 Main St West, Mac Student Residence

Surprises:

King & Hughson
The Oxford
Royal Connaught (maybe, depending on how deep they intend to dig)
The Brockton
Platinum Condos

Hyped:

Metro City Condo
71 Rebecca
206 King West (Canlight owns this, not Vrancor)
366-368 King St West
Columbia Student Residence

TV city is planning for 6 floors of underground parking so I feel like they would need to start digging immediately in order to have a crane in by year end 2018. I still predict there will be activity on the site (demo & dig)
Would be great to see 154 Main E go, that stretch needs some investment. I think Canlight would have done something with their site by now, I am intrigued by Vrancor's diligence to acquire lands in this area, and how they just keep moving forward. No hype, just getting it done.
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TV city is planning for 6 floors of underground parking so I feel like they would need to start digging immediately in order to have a crane in by year end 2018. I still predict there will be activity on the site (demo & dig)
In order for Television City to start, CHCH has to move! Where are they going? There has not even been a hint of where they are going. And will take time to build a new studio if they even do that.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2017, 4:16 PM
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In order for Television City to start, CHCH has to move! Where are they going? There has not even been a hint of where they are going. And will take time to build a new studio if they even do that.
CHCH absolutely isn't building a new studio in Hamilton. They will likely relocate to Channel Zero in Toronto where broadcast facilities already exist. A station that lays off half of it's work force isn't really in the position to spend millions on new studio space imo. They can work remotely via broadcast trucks or using Djero Boxes.
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Found this postcard courtesy of joe that shows what this building originally looked like:



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found some cool colour photos of what king and king william streetlines used to look like - thought I'd share

king st:



This building needs a ton of repair - a lot of the pediments above the windows have been removed or fallen off over the years.





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still pretty much the same if all the paint and bricks were uniform through the whole block.
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still pretty much the same if all the paint and bricks were uniform through the whole block.
Yeah - I like the white arches the best though.
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What a different streetscape compared to today. The colours and signage, mix of businesses, awnings gone and trees added, sidewalk bump-outs along King... I prefer some of the changes and the return to original brick colouring on many of the buildings, but that shot from the mid-70s looks quite lively (not long before things started to go downhill).

It would be neat to look at photos from that angle in each decade, to see how it evolved from heyday into decay and then renewal.
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Something tells me those bright colours might have been deployed to cover up pollution stained brick.
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I wonder how much it would cost to have those arches replicated and replaced?
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