City of Hamilton General Discussion Thread - Page 18

Dr Awesomesauce · #**341** Posted **Feb 15, 2019, 11:22 PM**

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Dr Awesomesauce · #**342** Posted **Feb 15, 2019, 11:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chronamut

This is one of the oldest views of king and james that exists after the great fires burned down all of downtowns wooden buildings - it shows the city hall that existed before the old, old city hall and shows a lot of buildings in their former designs.

The building on the NE corner of King and James is still there, though it's probably not worth keeping/restoring at this point.

Chronamut · #**343** Posted **Feb 15, 2019, 11:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

The building on the NE corner of King and James is still there, though it's probably not worth keeping/restoring at this point.

It is indeed.. although it no longer has the peaked roof.

Chronamut · #**344** Posted **Feb 18, 2019, 8:25 AM**

Found this great pdf resource off the city's site for how everything is going to be laid out for pier 8 and why - a great read!

https://d3fpllf1m7bbt3.cloudfront.ne...ion-panels.pdf

also this great video for the buildings that will be in the harbour area - I'm loving how much CHARACTER this area will now have:

• Video Link

I still fail to see where people are going to park down here - as it is people who go to williams pub take up all the existing parking down there and overflow into the gravel area beside the water.. I mean I guess they assume that the new neighbourhood will then replace those people at these places but still..

I really hope this ends up having the same warm atmosphere bayfront park has, although I am kinda sad they are going to clean up the area where all the boats are stored, before that big grassy area they do car shows at.. they're turning it back into more of a wildlife refuge I think.

King&James · #**345** Posted **Feb 18, 2019, 1:11 PM**

I would love to see build timelines for Pier 8 including infrastructure and water's edge treatment. Anyone know when or if objections are being heard?

Chronamut · #**346** Posted **Feb 18, 2019, 4:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by King&James

I would love to see build timelines for Pier 8 including infrastructure and water's edge treatment. Anyone know when or if objections are being heard?

I don't think there are any objections for it - the area wasn't accessible before so it's not like it's impacting anyone.

TheRitsman · #**347** Posted **Feb 18, 2019, 11:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by King&James

I would love to see build timelines for Pier 8 including infrastructure and water's edge treatment. Anyone know when or if objections are being heard?

Well the park was originally supposed to be completed by Spring of this year so they're already behind schedule.

tyrnnsrs · #**348** Posted **Feb 19, 2019, 2:55 PM**

Anyone know when construction is finally going to start on this?

Chronamut · #**349** Posted **Feb 19, 2019, 6:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by tyrnnsrs

Anyone know when construction is finally going to start on this?

Construction is supposed to be this year - they've stated is is going to be built in stages - which could spread out over 10-15 years apparently - I remember seeing that when people brought up concerns about lack of parking, and it was stated the undeveloped phases could be used as parking in the meantime. I don't know how accurate that is though - I don't see why this all can't be built at once.

TheRitsman · #**350** Posted **Feb 19, 2019, 6:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chronamut

Construction is supposed to be this year - they've stated is is going to be built in stages - which could spread out over 10-15 years apparently - I remember seeing that when people brought up concerns about lack of parking, and it was stated the undeveloped phases could be used as parking in the meantime. I don't know how accurate that is though - I don't see why this all can't be built at once.

On page 100-101 of the Urban Design Study you can see the "phases": https://d3fpllf1m7bbt3.cloudfront.ne...sign-study.pdf

Whether they follow this plan or not I'm unsure.

Chronamut · #**351** Posted **Feb 19, 2019, 7:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by TheRitsman

On page 100-101 of the Urban Design Study you can see the "phases": https://d3fpllf1m7bbt3.cloudfront.ne...sign-study.pdf

Whether they follow this plan or not I'm unsure.

Thanks for that!

Chronamut · #**352** Posted **Feb 20, 2019, 3:45 AM**

Check this out - pier 8 in 1944, where's the pier? NOT THERE! :p

all artificial land

ScreamingViking · #**353** Posted **Feb 20, 2019, 4:42 AM**

Very different waterfront back then. Though Pier 8 would be off to the left of the frame in that shot (perhaps the southwest corner of it would have just been visible in the picture if it was there).

The pier at the end of James St. looks like it's still there, the white boathouse too, and an early iteration of the small basin that's just east of RHYC... I wonder if that's an earlier building of theirs, with the round driveway in front, though they moved around over the decades. The CN Station is in the upper right, near the corner of the photo.

Approximately the same angle today:
https://goo.gl/maps/LoR9Tm12KcC2

Chronamut · #**354** Posted **Feb 20, 2019, 4:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

Very different waterfront back then. Though Pier 8 would be off to the left of the frame in that shot (perhaps the southwest corner of it would have just been visible in the picture if it was there).

The pier at the end of James St. looks like it's still there, the white boathouse too, and an early iteration of the small basin that's just east of RHYC... I wonder if that's an earlier building of theirs, with the round driveway in front, though they moved around over the decades. The CN Station is in the upper right, near the corner of the photo.

Approximately the same angle today:
https://goo.gl/maps/LoR9Tm12KcC2

Yeah pretty much the entire section they want to rebuild wasn't even there then as the path going up to williams just ends abruptly near the left hand side of the image.

I still can't imagine how this is going to function without parking - how are people going to get around in the winter? Are they simply going to work IN the neighbourhood? I guess that could work but still..

that and they want to remove all the parking along the edge there too - it just boggles my mind hehe..

*edit* ah I see, things in green on the pdf I posted are communal amenities, with block 5 being a parking garage.. that helps clear things up a bit.. also that little triangular piece of land was originally supposed to be a parking lot, not sure if it still will be though.

davidcappi · #**355** Posted **Feb 20, 2019, 1:57 PM**

We have an existing thread for all discussion relating to the waterfront /pier. These renters and videos have already been posted there.

durandy · #**356** Posted **Feb 20, 2019, 4:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

Very different waterfront back then. Though Pier 8 would be off to the left of the frame in that shot (perhaps the southwest corner of it would have just been visible in the picture if it was there).

The pier at the end of James St. looks like it's still there, the white boathouse too, and an early iteration of the small basin that's just east of RHYC... I wonder if that's an earlier building of theirs, with the round driveway in front, though they moved around over the decades. The CN Station is in the upper right, near the corner of the photo.

Approximately the same angle today:
https://goo.gl/maps/LoR9Tm12KcC2

I think pier 8 is off the picture. It's actually surprising how little this part of shoreline has changed since 1944. Not much different other than the pier 4 breakwater extension.

Chronamut · #**357** Posted **Feb 20, 2019, 5:04 PM**

found this interesting pdf that talks about development in hamilton across history and where and when things were filled in etc. Apparently the dredging and filling in of parts of the bay was a big illegal fiasco tied to a bunch of high up politicians and the hamilton mafia - ahh good times.

http://www.yorku.ca/anderson/geog304...%20harbour.pdf

ScreamingViking · #**358** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 3:32 AM**

Thanks, interesting indeed. I recall someone in the past mentioning in one of the history threads a book about mob influence and political corruption in Hamilton during the 20th century... anyone remember the title? I meant to look for it but never did.

As for the harbour, I imagine a lot of "problems" were solved within those vast areas of fill.

thistleclub · #**359** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 2:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

I recall someone in the past mentioning in one of the history threads a book about mob influence and political corruption in Hamilton during the 20th century... anyone remember the title?

Their Town: The Mafia, the Media and the Party Machine

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

…those vast areas of fill.

Hamilton Historic Shoreline (1900-2000)

Chronamut · #**360** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 3:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

Thanks, interesting indeed. I recall someone in the past mentioning in one of the history threads a book about mob influence and political corruption in Hamilton during the 20th century... anyone remember the title? I meant to look for it but never did.

As for the harbour, I imagine a lot of "problems" were solved within those vast areas of fill.

Not just that.. just remember dofascos motto

"dofasco - our product, is steel, our strength, is PEOPLE"

just imagine all the bodies that were conveniently "disposed of" in those smelting pots. My friend told me that he used to work there and one guy reached too far and went head first into it - they said they couldn't pull him out, it was too late, all they could do was push the rest of him in.