Calgary International Airport II - Page 407

Cage · #**8121** Posted **Feb 17, 2019, 6:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

Codeshare is sufficient and JV is not required, advanced bookings show plenty of onward connections at CDG with AF.

Codeshare alone won’t get you to the integrated ops and profitability allignmemt. JV is needed to capture beyond the hub revenue in both directions. JV is needed to coordinate schedules. JV is needs for. Ark eating purposes.

zahav · #**8122** Posted **Feb 17, 2019, 11:00 PM**

Has Hainan confirmed it is pulling out, or converting to seasonal? I don't see any pressers talking about it, and it looks bookable into October. Any chance they just haven't loaded winter availability? Mainland airlines do this quite a bit, just wondering if that is the only proof of it or if someone has other knowledge?

hollywoodcory · #**8123** Posted **Feb 17, 2019, 11:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

Has Hainan confirmed it is pulling out, or converting to seasonal? I don't see any pressers talking about it, and it looks bookable into October. Any chance they just haven't loaded winter availability? Mainland airlines do this quite a bit, just wondering if that is the only proof of it or if someone has other knowledge?

Airlines typically don't put out press releases when they cancel routes. There's been no real update since the rumors began circulating a few months back, than I've heard?

And no it's schedule appears to only be loaded until the end of October. Not even YYZ-PEK appears bookable beyond 26OCT19.

PPAR · #**8124** Posted **Feb 18, 2019, 12:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Airlines typically don't put out press releases when they cancel routes. There's been no real update since the rumors began circulating a few months back, than I've heard?

And no it's schedule appears to only be loaded until the end of October. Not even YYZ-PEK appears bookable beyond 26OCT19.

Given they were considering cutting before Canada-China relations tanked, you can be pretty sure it is gone now.

Johnny Aussie · #**8125** Posted **Feb 18, 2019, 8:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Crunched 2018 to 2019 comparative

Overall decrease from approx 117 daily to 98 daily.

First time in ages AC has been below 100 ops per day.

2019 will see 46 mainline 1 rouge and 51 jazz per day
2018 had 44 mainline 2 rouge 54 jazz and 17 Georgian

Approximate based on frequencies per week.

Updated AC summer 2019 due to YOW dropping to 2 daily and YYZ to 16 daily

Overall decrease now 21 daily... from approx 117 daily summer 2018 to 96 daily summer 2019

2019 will see about 45 mainline 1 rouge and 50 jazz per day

YYCFlier · #**8126** Posted **Feb 18, 2019, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Updated AC summer 2019 due to YOW dropping to 2 daily and YYZ to 16 daily

YYC-YYZ is showing in the schedule as 17 daily, 18 returning from YYZ.
YOW showing 3x daily in timetable but booking engine 2x daily.

nname · #**8127** Posted **Feb 19, 2019, 12:56 PM**

New season route eff Jun 24 to Oct 15

AC 1697 319 D YXU - YYC 07:00 - 09:08
AC 1698 319 D YYC - YXU 16:10 - 21:58

YYCFlier · #**8128** Posted **Feb 19, 2019, 5:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

New season route eff Jun 24 to Oct 15

AC 1697 319 D YXU - YYC 07:00 - 09:08
AC 1698 319 D YYC - YXU 16:10 - 21:58

Wow, AC is trying this one again huh? They tried years ago on an E90, and it didn't work. I would think this would be a A220 route but surprised they are giving it a go again on a larger aircraft. I got family in YXU so this is a nice addition to be able to fly direct with real J.

EDIT: It's a Rouge flight. Now THAT makes way more sense.

YYCFlier · #**8129** Posted **Feb 19, 2019, 9:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

There was talk about this going back to about June/July. Didn't think they'd actually do it. Good luck, boys.

With YHZ going mainline there had to be something coming with the rotation of frames with LAS. Look at those times...

Agreed, Acey. I actually figured they'd just mainline LAS too and put a 319 on it.

MalcolmTucker · #**8130** Posted **Feb 19, 2019, 10:34 PM**

Any chance the Rouge's 319 & 321s will get slimline seats? Made a mistake over the holidays of riding in the back in one of these.

YYCFlier · #**8131** Posted **Feb 19, 2019, 10:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Any chance the Rouge's 319 & 321s will get slimline seats? Made a mistake over the holidays of riding in the back in one of these.

The 763s aren't bad in the back. But the 319/321s are pretty awful.

Rogie · #**8132** Posted **Feb 20, 2019, 12:29 AM**

A story comparing WS and AC operations out of YYC this summer and how WS is dominating.

westernaviationnews.com/2019/02/19/fortress-calgary-how-westjet-came-to-dominate-the-alberta-market/

hoboman27 · #**8133** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 5:32 PM**

Anyone on that WS YYC-YYZ flight willing to give us a review?

YYCFlier · #**8134** Posted **Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by hoboman27

Anyone on that WS YYC-YYZ flight willing to give us a review?

See here.

PPAR · #**8135** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 1:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Rogie

A story comparing WS and AC operations out of YYC this summer and how WS is dominating.

westernaviationnews.com/2019/02/19/fortress-calgary-how-westjet-came-to-dominate-the-alberta-market/

It is interesting that Air Canada is giving WestJet so much breathing room out of YYC. I wonder if they have made that decision consciously. WestJet would never be allowed to fail by any Federal Government, so let them develop out of YYC, but fight them tooth and nail in YVR, YYZ and YUL. That way, WestJet stays viable, but is denied opportunity to significantly challenge AC in big Canadian markets.

Rogie · #**8136** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 5:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by PPAR

It is interesting that Air Canada is giving WestJet so much breathing room out of YYC. I wonder if they have made that decision consciously. WestJet would never be allowed to fail by any Federal Government, so let them develop out of YYC, but fight them tooth and nail in YVR, YYZ and YUL. That way, WestJet stays viable, but is denied opportunity to significantly challenge AC in big Canadian markets.

It is interesting. Westjet watches four markets closely: YYZ, YVR, YYC and YEG. AC is focused more and more on its hubs in YUL, YYZ and YVR, and will become even moreso as it concentrates on overseas flying as a profit maker.

Managers at YVR have been told their fortunes rise and fall with Air Canada. I suspect YYZ thinks similarly.

Perhaps we're finally starting to see a bit of differentiation where airlines in Canada develop competing hubs as opposed to competing at the same places all the time.

casper · #**8137** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 5:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by PPAR

It is interesting that Air Canada is giving WestJet so much breathing room out of YYC. I wonder if they have made that decision consciously. WestJet would never be allowed to fail by any Federal Government, so let them develop out of YYC, but fight them tooth and nail in YVR, YYZ and YUL. That way, WestJet stays viable, but is denied opportunity to significantly challenge AC in big Canadian markets.

I would look at it the other way. AC has some growth strategy, a limited number of aircraft it can play with and its putting the resources where it is going to make the most money.

Getting into a price war with WS on a route from YYC is not a priority.

zahav · #**8138** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 7:52 AM**

WS is dropping Terrace (YXT) service from YYC starting March 5th. Full article here:

https://www.terracestandard.com/news/westjet-bails-on-terrace-calgary-connection/

Interesting this will be the 2nd time they tried and pulled out. I wonder if there will be a 3rd try once the LNG stuff really ramps up? I feel like this try was premature, but there's definite hope it will be viable one day. They are adding YXT-YVR capacity instead now

YYCFlier · #**8139** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 2:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by PPAR

It is interesting that Air Canada is giving WestJet so much breathing room out of YYC. I wonder if they have made that decision consciously. WestJet would never be allowed to fail by any Federal Government, so let them develop out of YYC, but fight them tooth and nail in YVR, YYZ and YUL. That way, WestJet stays viable, but is denied opportunity to significantly challenge AC in big Canadian markets.

YYC is AC's smallest hub and sits between a small hub and "large focus city". AC has made the conscious choice to make YVR their primary hub in the west, and WS has chosen the opposite.

With WS's massive investments in YYC I think AC is happy to let WS have it. Why fight WS at YYC when they are wide open at YUL?

There is already significant competition out of AC's major hubs - YUL/YVR/YYZ all have very significant foreign non-U.S. carrier traffic.

YYCFlier · #**8140** Posted **Feb 22, 2019, 2:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by PPAR

It is interesting that Air Canada is giving WestJet so much breathing room out of YYC. I wonder if they have made that decision consciously. WestJet would never be allowed to fail by any Federal Government, so let them develop out of YYC, but fight them tooth and nail in YVR, YYZ and YUL. That way, WestJet stays viable, but is denied opportunity to significantly challenge AC in big Canadian markets.

YUL is not a WS hub. It's an outstation for WS. And WS is in no way challenging AC's dominance in YVR or YYZ; I do not think AC is worried. AC still has 45% of domestic traffic and frankly, they are less concerned about domestic. AC makes its money on premium international.

YVR is WS's tertiary hub - it has considerably less traffic than YYC or YYZ. WS's hubs are in order of flights/traffic -

YYC > YYZ > YVR