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[lrt's friend]

I want to point out that the indefinite delay in addressing transportation needs of the south end has become a major election issue. It will be interesting to see who gets elected in that ward in the upcoming election.

What we did seemed an appropriate adjustment of priorities according to O'Brien and most of the electorate in 2006. Unfortunately, what the city did is stick its head in the sand and failed to provide a proper alternative to the cancelled 2006 plan. In fact, it mostly ignored transportation requirements in that part of the city entirely. We have created a mess and I don't believe that the second rate alternative that may finally open in 2021 will address the needs that have grown since 2006. It is too bad.


It does not matter where the greatest demand is. It is where the greatest need is. Trying to move 100,000 people on a two lane country road network clearly does not work.

[citydwlr]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

Knew I could find some of it somewhere.....
https://canada.constructconnect.com/dcn/...il-transit-construction-plans-dcn044283w



The link in the article to the document does not work,
(( https://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/ci...20-%20ACS2011-ICS-RIO-0001%20-%20LRT.htm ))
and I cannot find it in either my files (was too minor to copy at the time) nor the City system (of course).

So........ we are right on - the original - schedule, prior to the #### !!!!

TIP: The "Way Back Machine" / Internet Archive usually does wonders... Here's the broken link you were looking for:

https://web.archive.org/web/201610122220...20-%20ACS2011-ICS-RIO-0001%20-%20LRT.htm

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

Knew I could find some of it somewhere.....
https://canada.constructconnect.com/dcn/...il-transit-construction-plans-dcn044283w



The link in the article to the document does not work,
(( https://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/ci...20-%20ACS2011-ICS-RIO-0001%20-%20LRT.htm ))
and I cannot find it in either my files (was too minor to copy at the time) nor the City system (of course).

So........ we are right on - the original - schedule, prior to the #### !!!!

Or... Was this the secret plan to ensure it stayed on the original schedule. Projects like this are always late, so to get it done on time, you make them promise to finish a year earlier then you really expect it to be done

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

It does not matter where the greatest demand is. It is where the greatest need is.

I agree. The problem is people tend to be very myopic when it comes to seeing the greatest need and have troubles looking past their own backyard.

Personally I believe the greatest need was to relieve the bottleneck that had developed along Albert and Slater streets by trying to cram too many buses on them. Adding trains to the mix would have created chaos and wouldn't have met anyone's needs.

Trying to move 100,000 people on a two lane country road network clearly does not work.

Which "two lane country road network" has 10 percent of all Ottawa's men, women and children moving along it? That is slightly more than the entire population of South Nepean and Riverside South combined, and I don't think all of them are using country roads. According to the 2016 Census | City of Ottawa, the only sub-areas that have more than 100,000 people are Orleans and Kanata/Stittsville and you can't assume that everyone is on the road every day.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day.

To citydwlr - Thx. Have heard lots about it but never had a link.

To kmcamp - Yipeeee !!!! yer as paranoid as meeee !!!! Wheeee !!!!

Thx , all , appreciated .

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I want to point out that the indefinite delay in addressing transportation needs of the south end has become a major election issue. It will be interesting to see who gets elected in that ward in the upcoming election.

What we did seemed an appropriate adjustment of priorities according to O'Brien and most of the electorate in 2006. Unfortunately, what the city did is stick its head in the sand and failed to provide a proper alternative to the cancelled 2006 plan. In fact, it mostly ignored transportation requirements in that part of the city entirely. We have created a mess and I don't believe that the second rate alternative that may finally open in 2021 will address the needs that have grown since 2006. It is too bad.


It does not matter where the greatest demand is. It is where the greatest need is. Trying to move 100,000 people on a two lane country road network clearly does not work.

Good Day.

Agreed, but.

The Chiarelli plan was fine in it's original plan to Bayview transit station, and the first modification to extend to Lebreton at Booth (now Pimisi, in effect). It solved the majority of the pressing needs to the southern transit access. It would have been great.
It did leave that last leg into downtown unanswered, but he was trying to get it started.
Unfortunately, he was worse than Jimmy at trying to cheap out when he went to extend into downtown (second mod - to Mackenzie King Bridge, third mod - to uOttawa) along Albert/Slater, instead of tunnelling. This was and would have been the disaster. Utter Folly !! And it would have poisoned the well for any appetite to create a larger system for two decades.
O'Brien, and the contractor both, did try to save the plan to the first mod version - Lebreton/Booth, but even that much had been poisoned by that time - agreed that that was bad.
Overall, eveything was delayed by five years, and 36 million dollars.

NoJoy!

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by CityTech

It's unfortunate because the first LRT plan was actually a decent plan, just not as a first phase. If the current plan was already built, the Chiarelli 2006 plan would have been great. Better service along the Trillium trunk and to the south end, and a surface route through downtown could have been convenient for shorter trips in the downtown core, once the massive bus jam on Albert-Slater was removed. But with the Albert-Slater jam there, adding a tram to it would have just been a nightmare.

Even if the current line was there, the Chiarelli plan wouldn't have been a great idea. Again..... Why would you prioritize lower ridership areas with fewer residents for hundreds of millions in investment first?

The fact that they can extend the Trillium Line and don't even think the ridership is there to necessitate twin tracking after doubling the length, says it all.

[McC]

Friendly Reminder: Groundhog Day is February.

[J.OT13]

Confederation Line Update.

Bayview


Lyon


Lees


St-Laurent


https://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/news/construction-update-195/

[sseguin]

I personally love the size and scale of the concourse level at Lyon Station. It's quite amazing and impressive.

And the shot of St. Laurent just looks like a typical subway station.

What a transformation for the city.

I was checking the FEDCO meeting schedule and the next meeting is only scheduled for mid-November. Nothing for October. So we may wait a while before getting any real update, or any date for opening... doubtful it will be disclosed for another month at least. But I'm hopeful that won't be the case.

I'm not a big fan of the waiting game...

[lrt's friend]

The fact that they can extend the Trillium Line and don't even think the ridership is there to necessitate twin tracking after doubling the length, says it all.

And the reason is that the Trillium Line does not effectively serve the community that it runs through. They are building a second rate service that will produce second rate results. They know this.

[Truenorth00]

Those Western stations are really behind for what is now little under 3 weeks to handover.

RTG seems determined on cost control than meeting the deadline. I hope build quality isn't suffering.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by McC

Friendly Reminder: Groundhog Day is February.

The same "alternative facts" keep getting passed out. They need to be called out.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Those Western stations are really behind for what is now little under 3 weeks to handover.

As you know, handover has been delayed. Only the government likes the idea of hurry up and wait. In the corporate world the preference is to balance the work load over the entire period. The problem is we are in a government town and people have government expectations.

[CityTech]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Those Western stations are really behind for what is now little under 3 weeks to handover.

RTG seems determined on cost control than meeting the deadline. I hope build quality isn't suffering.

Once they determined they weren't handing over November 2nd, and especially once the city told RTG it won't accept a partial handover--that it's everything or nothing--RTG now has zero motivation to have anything else finished before Rideau. If they're working at maximum speed on Rideau and that will still take them to February, it's certain that they've slowed everything else down to also be done in February. That's fiscally optimal.

RTG offered the city a deal to still do handover on November 2nd, but with the north side entrance to Rideau Station and the last few trainsets delayed past that. If the city had taken that deal, they'd be working at a much faster pace on the western stations to get them done this month.

Personally I think they should have taken that deal, and compensated for the reduced fleet size by short-turning the line at St. Laurent in the east until they received the last few trains. A functioning LRT from Tunney's to St. Laurent with 2/3 entrances at Rideau open and everything else done along the way would be better than nothing at all.

[bikegypsy]

Originally Posted by roger1818

As you know, handover has been delayed. Only the government likes the idea of hurry up and wait. In the corporate world the preference is to balance the work load over the entire period. The problem is we are in a government town and people have government expectations.

Wow! That's some 'interesting' logic... How do you explain A) On time projects in Ottawa-Gatineau (IE the vast majority)? and B) Delayed projects in not-so-much-government-towns (take your pick)?

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by bikegypsy

Wow! That's some 'interesting' logic... How do you explain A) On time projects in Ottawa-Gatineau (IE the vast majority)? and B) Delayed projects in not-so-much-government-towns (take your pick)?

That's the city of Ottawa's fault for the unrealistic expectations.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by CityTech

Once they determined they weren't handing over November 2nd, and especially once the city told RTG it won't accept a partial handover--that it's everything or nothing--RTG now has zero motivation to have anything else finished before Rideau. If they're working at maximum speed on Rideau and that will still take them to February, it's certain that they've slowed everything else down to also be done in February. That's fiscally optimal.

RTG offered the city a deal to still do handover on November 2nd, but with the north side entrance to Rideau Station and the last few trainsets delayed past that. If the city had taken that deal, they'd be working at a much faster pace on the western stations to get them done this month.

Personally I think they should have taken that deal, and compensated for the reduced fleet size by short-turning the line at St. Laurent in the east until they received the last few trains. A functioning LRT from Tunney's to St. Laurent with 2/3 entrances at Rideau open and everything else done along the way would be better than nothing at all.

I completely agree with this.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by CityTech

RTG offered the city a deal to still do handover on November 2nd, but with the north side entrance to Rideau Station and the last few trainsets delayed past that. If the city had taken that deal, they'd be working at a much faster pace on the western stations to get them done this month.

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Is there any documentation of this offer? I have a little difficulty believing they could have had everything done in two weeks.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Is there any documentation of this offer? I have a little difficulty believing they could have had everything done in two weeks.

Here you go

https://obj.ca/article/completion-ottawas-lrt-delayed-again-service-expected-2019