Calgary International Airport II

[The Chemist]

Originally Posted by LO 044

I think the majority of reviews on the 787's aren't that positive regardless of the carrier. Won't that be the same with WestJet's 787's?

I'll get to fly AC's 767 next year (on the WAW-YYZ leg) probably for the last time and i am happy about that. Hopefully there isn't a substitution or a cancellation of the route.

Honestly, the only thing that the 787 has over other airplanes is the larger windows. Given a choice, I'd fly on an A330 or especially an A380 over a 787 any day of the week.

I'm still hoping that WestJet does something different and does a mainland China route (PVG!) with their 787 out of Calgary. If they do, I'd switch away from AC in a heartbeat.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by The Chemist

Honestly, the only thing that the 787 has over other airplanes is the larger windows.....

..higher cabin pressure (6000 ft, vs 8000ft for the rest) and no bleed air are two other biggies. But that's an avgeek speaking.....

The 787 truly is a remarkable aircraft, and a game changer for thinner point to point routes.

[Canadian74]

I actually don't like the 787 windows. I have flown the AC 789 a couple of times, and on all flights the FAs locked all the windows at the dimmest settings for nearly the entire flights.

Fav aircraft to fly on is the A380. Too bad they aren't popular in canada except BA/EK, but everytime I'm in Asia, I go out my way to fly on A380 flights

[The Chemist]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

..higher cabin pressure (6000 ft, vs 8000ft for the rest) and no bleed air are two other biggies. But that's an avgeek speaking.....

The 787 truly is a remarkable aircraft, and a game changer for thinner point to point routes.

The higher pressure may be true, but I never found it made any difference. I don't feel the jet lag any less when I fly over the Pacific in a 787 versus a 777.

The much lower noise on an A380 versus other passenger planes, on the other hand, makes a much bigger difference in passenger comfort.

[DDP]

Originally Posted by LO 044

AC "unRouged" this route starting this year and it remains that way in 2019. What will happen after that will be interesting. Will it be dropped or Rouged again or will they try to put a 788 on it is anyone's guess. I find AC and LO to be part of the same alliance on paper only. They really don't act as such in reality. From what "everyone says" Poland is a low yielding market so i was quite surprised when AC put mainline service on this route. It appears that AC would like to run LO out of YYZ because approximately 3 daily YYZ-WAW flights in the summer seems like overkill to me.

AC and LO signed a JV.

AC will be flying out of Toronto next year on the 788.
LO will be flying out of Montreal next year on the 763.

[FormerWingTipper]

Originally Posted by DDP

AC and LO signed a JV.

AC will be flying out of Toronto next year on the 788.
LO will be flying out of Montreal next year on the 763.

Where is that announced? It seems awfully similar to the Austrian Airlines announcement. Austrian will shift its YYZVIE route to YULVIE as Air Canada will start YYZVIE.

[FormerWingTipper]

Air Canada announced:
-It will cancel the YYZMDT route, currently operated by Air Georgian Beechcraft.
-It will cancel the YYZSYR route, currently operated by Air Georgian Beechcraft.
-It will cancel the YYZROC route, currently operated by Air Georgian Beechcraft.
-It will modify the YYZYGK route, currently operated by Air Georgian Beechcraft; transitioning to Jazz DH8 aircraft.
-It will modify the YYZYZR route, currently operated by Air Georgian Beechcraft; transitioning to Jazz DH8 aircraft.

Hmm... any guesses what will happen to the Air Georgian Beechcraft in YYC? I can't believe they would keep a fleet of Beechcraft for just three routes...

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by FormerWingTipper

Where is that announced? It seems awfully similar to the Austrian Airlines announcement. Austrian will shift its YYZVIE route to YULVIE as Air Canada will start YYZVIE.

Agree it is the AC/OS announcement. The dead give away is that LO doesn't fly the 767 anymore.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...ian-adjusts-s19-canada-austria-service-/

Looks like YUL is trying to set a record for the most amount of foreign carriers at an airport.

[MalcolmTucker]

Maybe they will reoffer a capacity contract in the future, and we will get some sweet Twin Otter action! I bet the Air Georgian contract had restrictive conditions about cancelling their deal and going to another provider.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LO 044

AC "unRouged" this route starting this year and it remains that way in 2019.

YYZ-WAW is Rouge once again in 2019.

AC and LO don't have a joint venture, so i see both airlines staying put in YYZ.

Originally Posted by LO 044

Looks like YUL is trying to set a record for the most amount of foreign carriers at an airport.

nahh...YYZ is well in the lead in that department (but Austrian going YYZ--->YUL is like a 4 point hockey game). But we are catching up to YVR's number (and already ahead of YVR in terms of number of countries served by these foreign carriers).

We will match YVR's foreign airline number with just 2 more airlines. TAP is already on record about YUL. That leaves 1 more to go. It's a shame Primera folded. That would have been it.

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Tally of all foreign carriers at Canada's top 8 busiest airports for next summer, with recent updates.

(US mainline carriers and their respective feeder airlines counted as 1. Ex. DL mainline and DL connection feeders counted as 1 airline.)

YYZ 39 (was 41 just last week, when Primera was still an airline, and before Austrian's move for summer 2019)
YVR 30
YUL 28
YYC 10
YEG 6
YHZ 5
YOW 3
YWG 2

Number of countries these foreign airlines serve.

YYZ 32
YUL 20
YVR 16
YYC 6
YHZ 4
YEG 3
YOW 1
YWG 1

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YYZ-WAW is Rouge once again in 2019.

Is this an upcoming announcement? I see June and July 2019 schedules as AC 826/827 with mainline 763 service. I'm flying the WAW-YYZ route next summer so it is of particular interest to me.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LO 044

Is this an upcoming announcement? I see June and July 2019 schedules as AC 826/827 with mainline 763 service. I'm flying the WAW-YYZ route next summer so it is of particular interest to me.

Straight from aircanada.com flight schedules.

[BlaineN]

Originally Posted by The Chemist

Honestly, the only thing that the 787 has over other airplanes is the larger windows. Given a choice, I'd fly on an A330 or especially an A380 over a 787 any day of the week.

I'm still hoping that WestJet does something different and does a mainland China route (PVG!) with their 787 out of Calgary. If they do, I'd switch away from AC in a heartbeat.

I've never flown on and A380 (hopefully someday), but I easily prefer the 787 over the A330. Bigger windows and much quieter, and the washrooms 100 times nicer. I don't know if it's the humidity and pressure, etc... but by flights on the 787 have always been better than the A330. Some people prefer the 2-4-2 of the A330 to the 3-3-3 of the 787, but I don't find it any different unless you're in one of the '2's Also not all A330's go with that alignment, and not all 787 are 3-3-3.

[BlaineN]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

..higher cabin pressure (6000 ft, vs 8000ft for the rest) and no bleed air are two other biggies. But that's an avgeek speaking.....

The 787 truly is a remarkable aircraft, and a game changer for thinner point to point routes.

I haven't flown the A380, but so far for the 787 has provided me with the best flying experiences. Also heard the humidity is supposed to be better on the 787, not sure if it's truer, but my experience has been very good on them so far.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by The Chemist

The higher pressure may be true, but I never found it made any difference. I don't feel the jet lag any less when I fly over the Pacific in a 787 versus a 777.

The much lower noise on an A380 versus other passenger planes, on the other hand, makes a much bigger difference in passenger comfort.

Originally Posted by BlaineN

I haven't flown the A380, but so far for the 787 has provided me with the best flying experiences. Also heard the humidity is supposed to be better on the 787, not sure if it's truer, but my experience has been very good on them so far.

IMO the flying experience on an A380 is more hype than anything. The first time I flew on it it was good, but it was mostly due to the excitement of being on one. After a couple more times, I'm now indifferent about them. Economy isn't any better than any other large aircraft, and worse in some ways. Way too many people, and at times the cabin is noisy from having so many people. Jet noise is quieter for sure, but the quietness doesn't make any difference for me.

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Straight from aircanada.com flight schedules.

The timetable on ac.com says Rouge 1926/1927 but when trying to book on ac.com for the same days it is AC 826/827 mainline. Both on the same website. Interesting. June 16 departure and July 11 return. Which governs?

[nname]

Originally Posted by LO 044

The timetable on ac.com says Rouge 1926/1927 but when trying to book on ac.com for the same days it is AC 826/827 mainline. Both on the same website. Interesting. June 16 departure and July 11 return. Which governs?

AC flight schedule always update first.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

We will match YVR's foreign airline number with just 2 more airlines. TAP is already on record about YUL. That leaves 1 more to go. It's a shame Primera folded. That would have been it.

TK already granted 3x weekly YVR, just need to wait for the paperwork to be done and possibly new frame to arrive. After that, it will be back to 2 again

[McMurph]

Put me in the camp of those who are hugely unimpressed by the passenger experience on the 787. Sitting in BA's steerage for the LHR - YYC run was one of the most miserable transatlantic flights I've ever taken. KLM seemed a touch better. But knowing Westjet, I don't have a lot of hope for their product.

They may be pretty cools planes and they're lovely up front, but if you can get me more space and a low fare I'd happily fly anything else. And yeah, the 2/3/2 configuration of the 767 makes a bigger difference to me than the age of the frame.

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by nname

AC flight schedule always update first.

Interesting that my flight itinerary still shows mainline and AC still sells tickets claiming mainline service. Hopefully my itinerary gets updated and then i can change things up. Oh well maybe i won't be flying on the 767 after all.

[The Chemist]

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

IMO the flying experience on an A380 is more hype than anything. The first time I flew on it it was good, but it was mostly due to the excitement of being on one. After a couple more times, I'm now indifferent about them. Economy isn't any better than any other large aircraft, and worse in some ways. Way too many people, and at times the cabin is noisy from having so many people. Jet noise is quieter for sure, but the quietness doesn't make any difference for me.

That's why you try to fly on one of the airlines that has some economy class upstairs. The upstairs economy class on Lufthansa is the best economy class experience I've ever had (PVG - FRA - PVG). The only time I've flown on the main deck was in premium economy on Singapore Airlines (SIN - PVG), which was also a great experience.