Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[J.OT13]

I assumed the $500 million price-tag included the Confederation Line treatment to the stations, but with an 18 month time-line, I guess not. That's just for "upgrades", an extension to the south and the airport viaduct.

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Once we close down the Trillium Line (is it next May?), how will Route 107 connect with the Confederation Line? Is Bayview Station being designed for bus transfers? I thought not, but maybe someone here knows better.

There's nothing special about Bayview - when the line was closed on 2013, the 107 ran to Lebreton, which had layup facilities. The 107 runs to bayview now when activated in an emergency, to reduce confusion. It wouldn't surprise me to see the route run along Scott to Tunney's. This would still serve Bayview, but would also reduce transfers for passengers from the west, and provide layup facilities.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I assumed the $500 million price-tag included the Confederation Line treatment to the stations, but with an 18 month time-line, I guess not. That's just for "upgrades", an extension to the south and the airport viaduct.

I can't picture large angled roofs at Trillium Line stations, but maybe some more canopies at platform level and better signage (like the Confederation Line ones) would be nice. Definitely doable in 16-18 months!

[Reecemartin]

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[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I assumed the $500 million price-tag included the Confederation Line treatment to the stations, but with an 18 month time-line, I guess not. That's just for "upgrades", an extension to the south and the airport viaduct.

It also includes new stations at Gladstone and Walkley which will presumably be more like the Confederation Line.

The EA showed that Mooney's Bay would move just north of Heron but I'm not sure whether that will happen with the extension or sometime in the future.

I guess we'll have to wait to find out to see if Carling, Carleton and Greenboro are upgraded in any way.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

It also includes new stations at Gladstone and Walkley which will presumably be more like the Confederation Line.

The EA showed that Mooney's Bay would move just north of Heron but I'm not sure whether that will happen with the extension or sometime in the future.

I guess we'll have to wait to find out to see if Carling, Carleton and Greenboro are upgraded in any way.

Those platforms will need to be rebuilt/extended. I'd be surprised if they didn't get at least some minor upgrades.

[OCCheetos]

From the layoff memo:

Until the train is put into service, affected employees will continue to work during their notice period. The anticipated last day of employment for impacted staff is December 1, 2018. This date is based on a Revenue Service Availability (RSA) date of November 2, 2018 and will accommodate the adjustment and transition period throughout November, following the opening of the Confederation Line for service to customers.

Seems like the Confederation Line is expected to open for service well before the end of November?

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

I guess we'll have to wait to find out to see if Carling, Carleton and Greenboro are upgraded in any way.

Not double-tracking Carling station and omitting to put it beneath the road will be a grave mistake this city will regret in the near future.

[Reecemartin]

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[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Well, if that is the case, state exactly what you want, cus right now, it sounds like you are just whining. Also, state why you think you should get what you want, otherwise you are just an entitled little brat.

What I want is an urban transit plan that actually involves bringing higher-order urban transit to the urban part of the urban area, not just deeper and deeper into low-density, low-diversity suburban areas which are not good fits for higher-order transit in the first place.

What I want is for the city centre to stop having to subsidize more suburban services and suburban sprawl when our own transit service is going to hell in a very slow and overcrowded handbasket.

I don't think those are unreasonable things to want but YMMV.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

I can't picture large angled roofs at Trillium Line stations, but maybe some more canopies at platform level and better signage (like the Confederation Line ones) would be nice. Definitely doable in 16-18 months!

More and better passenger waiting areas, esp. at Carleton, could have been accomplished years ago but for all the dithering.

The lack of any real improvement at Carleton in almost two decades is to me one of the most damning indictments of how little passenger comfort matters to the transit planners in this town.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Not double-tracking Carling station and omitting to put it beneath the road will be a grave mistake this city will regret in the near future.

Agreed. Carling will probably extremely busy within the next 10 years with new development and the Civic. Double tracking to split the riders waiting for their next train and entrances on both sides of Carling would have made it much more functional and help with overcrowding.

The City's idea of building another stations a few meters south to exclusively serve the new Civic is ridiculous.

EDIT: By having the station under Carling with entrances on both sides, like Cyrville, it would also make transfers between Carling bus routes and LRT much more efficient.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Agreed. Carling will probably extremely busy within the next 10 years with new development and the Civic. Double tracking to split the riders waiting for their next train and entrances on both sides of Carling would have made it much more functional and help with overcrowding.

The City's idea of building another stations a few meters south to exclusively serve the new Civic is ridiculous.

I thought the idea was to move Carling Station in its entirety to the southern location to serve the hospital? (i.e. not a whole new station)

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Not double-tracking Carling station and omitting to put it beneath the road will be a grave mistake this city will regret in the near future.

Even if the Trillium Line doesn't require double tracking to maintain the frequencies of service it currently demands, not double tracking it now will mean yet another closure sometime in the future.

By 2021, the Trillium Line will have spent just about 10% of its existence being closed for upgrades.


This conversation should probably be moved to one of the Trillium Line threads.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

I thought the idea was to move Carling Station in its entirety to the southern location to serve the hospital? (i.e. not a whole new station)

Quote from a CBC article:

Mayor Jim Watson and local MPP Yasir Naqvi both said they would support the idea of adding a stop at the proposed Civic hospital campus on the north-south Trillium Line as part of the second phase of the city's light rail expansion project, set to begin in 2019.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-hospital-lrt-station-1.4514418

Moving the station a little south to serve both sides of Carling would make too much sense. No no, we must spend millions for an additional station a stone's throw away.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Not double-tracking Carling station and omitting to put it beneath the road will be a grave mistake this city will regret in the near future.

My guess is that they will re-address the Carling station during construction of the new Ottawa Hospital Civic Campus. It probably makes more sense to move the station then to ensure optimal connectivity.

[McC]

Darwin's baaaaaack:
https://www.westsideaction.ca/train-spotting-west-side-style/

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

What I want is an urban transit plan that actually involves bringing higher-order urban transit to the urban part of the urban area, not just deeper and deeper into low-density, low-diversity suburban areas which are not good fits for higher-order transit in the first place.

What I want is for the city centre to stop having to subsidize more suburban services and suburban sprawl when our own transit service is going to hell in a very slow and overcrowded handbasket.

I don't think those are unreasonable things to want but YMMV.

You have missed the message. Instead of intensifying central parts of the city, we want to intensify the Confederation Line corridor out in the sticks.

We have blown the budget on one line for the next generation or two and our city will continue to decentralize with so few centretown stations. There are only 4 centretown stations that serve the existing population. The other 2 (Pimisi and Bayview) only serve future residents.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

More and better passenger waiting areas, esp. at Carleton, could have been accomplished years ago but for all the dithering.

The lack of any real improvement at Carleton in almost two decades is to me one of the most damning indictments of how little passenger comfort matters to the transit planners in this town.

They are only students.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Even if the Trillium Line doesn't require double tracking to maintain the frequencies of service it currently demands, not double tracking it now will mean yet another closure sometime in the future.

By 2021, the Trillium Line will have spent just about 10% of its existence being closed for upgrades.


This conversation should probably be moved to one of the Trillium Line threads.

This is the permanent legacy of the Trillium Line. The message is that the majority of riders all only students (not taxpayers), therefore periodic shutdowns are OK.

There is simply not enough constituent complaints that the line is being shutdown over and over again.

This all ties in with my ongoing complaint that half the population within 5 km of the Trillium Line can't or won't use it because it doesn't go downtown. So, this deflects constituent complaints about shutting down repeatedly. This is also another reason why people won't use it. Why bother, when it will be shut down again soon.

Unfortunately, the students will still dominate even when Phase 2 is completed and the city will likely plan another post 2021 shutdown for another in the endless upgrades, that can't be accomplished without a shutdown. Unfortunately, the poor design of the line makes lengthy shutdowns (more than a few weekends) for any significant change necessary.

I just recall the complaints when the N-S line was proposed about the proposed 3 year shutdown. Will we not have exceeded that by the completion of Phase 2? Of course, full double tracking will require another lengthy closure, if that ever happens.