Winnipeg Construction IX - Page 341

windypeg · #**6801** Posted **May 7, 2018, 6:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by dmacc

Yeah, I thought Graham originally but there is just too much bus traffic I think. Maybe though. It would be nice to have it close to BellMTS.

Ummm, we already have the portage place promenade you guys. I think we're set.

wardlow · #**6802** Posted **May 7, 2018, 7:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by rkspec

Wasnt there a strip referred to as 'electric ave' in Calgary?
This is going back to my last time out there in the late 90's though.

Yeah, 17th SW was called "electric avenue," I think because there was a lot of night clubs. I remember the name from living in Calgary as a kid in the early '90s.

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Converting a downtown street to a pedestrian mall was tried in countless North American cities in the 1960s and '70s, and all but, at most, three of these are successful today. Nicollet Ave. in downtown Minneapolis is one, but it wasn't long ago that that place was a dead zone. I don't know what the secret ingredient is, but I would venture to guess it takes a ton of nearby density, private investment dollars, and continual maintenance and programming. Also decades of finding out what works and what doesn't.

Want to find out if Winnipeg has enough of those things (in any location other than The Forks)? K, good luck.

I think a less risky, less outdated approach would be to find a few blocks to implement any number of 'complete street' design elements. Vehicle traffic would still be present, but speeds and volumes would be limited. There's lots of minor streets downtown that this could be done quite easily: Albert, Arthur, James, Market, Edmonton, Hargrave, or Garry come to mind. But it gets tougher to think of any of these as full-on pedestrian malls.

inlp89 · #**6803** Posted **May 7, 2018, 9:29 PM**

Electric ave was 11th X 5th st (Broken City)
Red mile is 17th sw. Basically from the stampede grounds all the way to 14th st.

Biff · #**6804** Posted **May 8, 2018, 7:04 PM**

Noticed yesterday that the Fort Group - Office Building at 865 Henderson Hwy has piles going in right now. Looks great finally getting some action on that property - vacant for too long.

Nice to that the piles are going in 'literally" right to the sidewalk. I don't think they could be any closer.

dmacc · #**6805** Posted **May 8, 2018, 7:12 PM**

Marchand could get closer hahaha. Sorry I'm not trying to stalk you throughout this forum.

esquire · #**6806** Posted **May 8, 2018, 7:19 PM**

I can't remember, is there a rendering for the Henderson Highway project?

cllew · #**6807** Posted **May 8, 2018, 7:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

I can't remember, is there a rendering for the Henderson Highway project?

If not here on SSP there will some from the variance hearing on the city web site. At the moment I don't have the variance number or hearing date in front of me.

bomberjet · #**6808** Posted **May 8, 2018, 7:56 PM**

It's here: http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/ViewDoc....3&InitUrl=/DMIS/Documents/ba/2018/a16844

Variance 12.

Half the site is a 3 storey building, the other half parking with an approach from Henderson. I don't get it. There's an approach of Linden and there's a back lane. Why the need for an approach off Henderson?

trueviking · #**6809** Posted **May 8, 2018, 8:03 PM**

brutal.

Sucks that half the site will be a parking lot accessed from Henderson. The slow march towards pembinahighwayication.

bomberjet · #**6810** Posted **May 8, 2018, 8:06 PM**

Brutal is right. No CRU's facing Henderson. Just blank wall with windows.. Too bad since the other office building that went up is a similar situation and is mostly vacant from my understanding.

The building itself looks to be okay. Brick and glass for at least half of it.

bomberjet · #**6811** Posted **May 8, 2018, 8:09 PM**

Cantilevered though!!

cllew · #**6812** Posted **May 8, 2018, 8:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

It's here: http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/ViewDoc....3&InitUrl=/DMIS/Documents/ba/2018/a16844

Variance 12.

Half the site is a 3 storey building, the other half parking with an approach from Henderson. I don't get it. There's an approach of Linden and there's a back lane. Why the need for an approach off Henderson?

Thanks for finding the variance info.

From what I understand the city does not like having access to parking lots off of back lanes, bu they will allow the staff parking off of the lane.

bomberjet · #**6813** Posted **May 8, 2018, 8:40 PM**

Which I understand. Do they require 2 access points to the lot? Seems 1 access point off Linden would be just fine.

cllew · #**6814** Posted **May 8, 2018, 8:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Which I understand. Do they require 2 access points to the lot? Seems 1 access point off Linden would be just fine.

Looking at the site plan I wonder if the approach off Henderson also serves as sort of buffer space for the two handicapped stalls next to the building entry?.

esquire · #**6815** Posted **May 8, 2018, 8:53 PM**

Meh. It's not great but honestly, it's Henderson Highway. I'm just surprised that the City let them put parking lot access when there is an access point off Linden. I'm also a bit surprised that they aren't required to put doors on Henderson instead on the south side parking lot entrance. I mean I'd never expect leasable CRUs in a building like this but at the very least put the main doors on Henderson.

Oh well, better than nothing? Or maybe it isn't better than nothing since that accounting firm is leaving downtown to move there. Shorter commute times to East St. Paul?

bomberjet · #**6816** Posted **May 8, 2018, 8:54 PM**

Possibly. But they could just have those stalls run along Henderson like the rest of them, but right next to the building if they required 3 or 4 handicap stalls.

To Esquire's point, I know it's suburban and all. But still is a crappy use of space and breaks any sort of street presence that is there. The blocks on both sides are right to the sidewalk. Over time, the whole of Henderson will be like this, along with 55+ condos...

It's the high street of the area, and isn't getting better by adding this IMO.

cllew · #**6817** Posted **May 8, 2018, 8:58 PM**

I was sort of under the impression that there are no CRU's in the building as the accountants from the Fort Group are moving their practice from their building on Fort St into the whole building,

I could be wrong on how much space they are taking in there though.

buzzg · #**6818** Posted **May 8, 2018, 9:17 PM**

There's no reason to have access off Henderson when the Linden one is wide enough for cars to go in and out at the same time. The building itself isn't the worst (yeah, door should have to be on Henderson) – but it seems like an absurdly high amount of parking. City at least should have made them make the building the whole length along Henderson with a deeper parking lot in the back.

That part of Henderson (although windy) is actually quite walkable and active, with tons of storefronts right at the sidewalk, in both directions.

bomberjet · #**6819** Posted **May 8, 2018, 9:33 PM**

I'm with buzzg on this one. Sure we filled in the old gas station lot. But it's not going to add to anything beyond office workers during the day.

Ando · #**6820** Posted **May 9, 2018, 6:53 PM**

I would be interested in their thought process behind moving a business like that from the downtown, which is undergoing a renaissance, and where I would think there are a lot of contacts for the kind of business they do. And there is a lot of office space available. And are they going to change their name to the Henderson Group ...