Calgary International Airport II - Page 362

Johnny Aussie · #**7221** Posted **Apr 13, 2018, 12:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by FormerWingTipper

They must be swamped with calls of interest, as their website has the following notice now for 8 straight days [sarcasm]:

ALERT – HIGH CALL VOLUMES - CUSTOMER CONTACT CENTRE
We are experiencing very high call volumes with longer than normal wait times. To assist in serving you better, we suggest an alternative method of contacting us at our support email. Please include all pertinent details and send your message to [email protected] Thank you for your patience.

Yeah I saw that too... perhaps their two res agents are being overwhelmed with calls. Maybe trying to make us think they are so popular everybody’s calling!

They are starting to do more point to point flights. Eventually we knew they just can’t ignore larger markets like Calgary and Vancouver (they’re expanding their flights from there as well).

hollywoodcory · #**7222** Posted **Apr 13, 2018, 11:11 PM**

Frontier has extended its open bookings until November now. (Was previously only available until August.)

Also KLM looks to be planning daily flights next winter (Was 6x weekly the past few winters) on a mix of 789/333.

Cage · #**7223** Posted **Apr 15, 2018, 5:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

On these longer legs can you imagine how bad Flair is getting railed on CASM vs AC/WS MAX 8. Like literally 25% more burn.

There is an equivalency between flair and AC/WS and there was in 1999 between WS and AC/CP. WS had the 732 and AC/CP had the A320 for transcon type flying like YVR-YWG.

hollywoodcory · #**7224** Posted **Apr 15, 2018, 8:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

After adding an additional frequency, WS is now dropping DFW and ORD in June... which is not surprising because the AA codeshare is gone and the DFW loads were trash.

One can only hope ATL remains in the pipeline. Perhaps daily MSP turn on WS metal.

I think ATL is a good bet, and maybe DTW as well? I think DL has MSP pretty well covered.

I was surprised when DFW wasn't axed back when WS released their summer schedule.

hollywoodcory · #**7225** Posted **Apr 16, 2018, 12:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

General consensus here is that DTW is not happening, at least not yet.

MSP is still plausible I'm hearing; consider AC operation in tandem with UA to SFO and IAH hubs.

True enough.

Curious also if maybe WS may even take a crack at SEA/PDX with Encore?

Johnny Aussie · #**7226** Posted **Apr 16, 2018, 3:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

General consensus here is that DTW is not happening, at least not yet.

MSP is still plausible I'm hearing; consider AC operation in tandem with UA to SFO and IAH hubs.

SFO and IAH (especially IAH) have large O&D from YYC, MSP not the case.

So that has to be factored in as well. BNA is a fascinating exception to the O&D case but it would draw from BC AB and SK, whereas MSP has direct flights from YVR and YEG as well which would provide less of an opportunity to feed any YYC-MSP flights. DL can't even sustain two daily year round mainline flights on YYC-MSP.

casper · #**7227** Posted **Apr 16, 2018, 6:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

SFO and IAH (especially IAH) have large O&D from YYC, MSP not the case.

So that has to be factored in as well. BNA is a fascinating exception to the O&D case but it would draw from BC AB and SK, whereas MSP has direct flights from YVR and YEG as well which would provide less of an opportunity to feed any YYC-MSP flights. DL can't even sustain two daily year round mainline flights on YYC-MSP.

There is also twice daily YXE-MSP and I think YWG may be even more frequent.

Delta did drop Regina after main years. MSP is well connected in western Canada. I think Salt Lake City is a better option. Seattle is another option.

Cage · #**7228** Posted **Apr 18, 2018, 8:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

I feel like the reason MSP wouldn't work is the same reason SLC wouldn't work. Even lower O&D, IIRC.

OO/CP can better serve it with 76 seaters, and the loads I see on SLC suggest WS service would have to replace OO/CP and not supplement it.

If WS and DL can consummate a standard joint venture alliance agreement with metal neutrality and beyond revenue included in the JV profits, then both MSP and ATL should work out for the airlines.

Yeah the above sentence is a little heavy on jargon.

Metal Neutrality means it doesn't matter who's aircraft is on the route, standard costs are used to calculate joint venture profitability. This is an inside the baseball bat term (not just inside baseball) that keeps pilot unions happy because the threat of being replaced by lower cost pilots is removed.

Beyond revenue is a scheduling term that means the Joint Venture participates in the entire journey the passenger, not just the A to B transborder flight. In this aspect, WestJet is incentivized to bring paz to DL's hubs for connections rather than flying the whole route themselves. Example YYC-MSP-MCO combined WS and DL has the same profit potential as YYC-YYZ-MCO, all on WS metal.

Marketing studies have demonstrated that pax are most concerned with the first leg of the outbound trip. So they want to fly WS to MSP over DL. This is mostly for the comfort of checkin and starting the long trip. In this regards, the JV is better off having WS do the first leg as most transborder pax are YYC origin rather than YYC destination.

In regards to SLC, if WS had a small regional jet like the E70/75, then it would make sense for Encore to go onto the route.

In regards to SEA, WS Encore is a good replacement a mid morning departure to connect to DL TransPac departure bank. However getting beyond revenue into the JV is key.

hoboman27 · #**7229** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 3:19 PM**

Airport's AGM is today, totally missed it

http://www.yyc.com/News/tabid/91/article...9/The-Calgary-Airport-Authority-AGM.aspx

Who's going? Ask some questions for us plebs.

EdmTrekker · #**7230** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 3:36 PM**

Looks like WestJet has axed a few Non-Stop US routes out of YYC.

Calgary – Chicago O’Hare Last flight on 28JUN18, currently served 6 weekly with 737-600/-700/-800

Calgary – Dallas/Ft. Worth Last flight on 27JUN18, currently served once a day with 737-600

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ate-june-2018/

hollywoodcory · #**7231** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 10:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

Looks like WestJet has axed a few Non-Stop US routes out of YYC.

Calgary – Chicago O’Hare Last flight on 28JUN18, currently served 6 weekly with 737-600/-700/-800

Calgary – Dallas/Ft. Worth Last flight on 27JUN18, currently served once a day with 737-600

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ate-june-2018/

Yeah it was briefly discussed on the last page. Not really surprising given the AA codeshare ending.

hollywoodcory · #**7232** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 10:29 PM**

Not sure if this has been shared or perhaps always been the case, but I was looking at flights on WS to CDG and it looks like they are now offering the route as a thru flight from here. Kind of similar to how they operate the flights to DUB and GLA from YYZ.

WS 80 YYC - YHZ - CDG
WS 81 CDG - YHZ - YYC

Johnny Aussie · #**7233** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 11:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

Looks like WestJet has axed a few Non-Stop US routes out of YYC.

Calgary – Chicago O’Hare Last flight on 28JUN18, currently served 6 weekly with 737-600/-700/-800

Calgary – Dallas/Ft. Worth Last flight on 27JUN18, currently served once a day with 737-600

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ate-june-2018/

2 does not = “a few”

Anyway... yes as discussed the code share arrangement being ended with AA is the main reason. AA is restarting nonstop to ORD (also served multiple times daily by UA) and will continue to operate nonstop to DFW. WS will still operate at least 15 transborder routes from YYC. Just think! Fewer flights available to not connect on to!!

FormerWingTipper · #**7234** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 1:00 PM**

I missed the AGM too... any highlights from the CAA?

hollywoodcory · #**7235** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 8:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

Yeah that's how they initially loaded it. But it's not operating like that everyday.

Last year I wouldn't have thought YHZ needed an additional frequency, but this additional sector seems to be just for Europe cnx and rotation. The notion of YHZ as a mini transatlantic gateway for WS is interesting.

I asked a WS agent if you’d be required to deplane in YHZ, and I got two different answers. One said yes, the other said it’s only stopping to drop people off, pick up more pax and refuel.

YYCguys · #**7236** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 11:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by FormerWingTipper

I missed the AGM too... any highlights from the CAA?

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/airport-head-details-plans-for-renewal-at-annual-meeting

Domestic terminal at Calgary's airport in for a complete revamp starting this year

Sammy Hudes

Published on: April 19, 2018

Calgary’s airport will take on a new look that better reflects the city, its history and culture, president and CEO Bob Sartor vowed on Thursday.

Speaking at the annual general meeting of the Calgary Airport Authority, the not-for-profit corporation that runs both Calgary International Airport and Springbank Airport, Sartor provided an update on challenges and achievements during his first year in the airport’s top job, a post he’s held since January 2017........

LeftCoaster · #**7237** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 11:16 PM**

Didn't they just blow the bank on the new terminal?

While the domestic wing certainly needs a new look shouldn't they sit back for a minute or two and let the finances settle?

YYCguys · #**7238** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 11:40 PM**

There’s still hoarding up all over the domestic terminal. It will be nice to have it all taken down.

s211 · #**7239** Posted **Apr 21, 2018, 1:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/airport-head-details-plans-for-renewal-at-annual-meeting

Calgary’s airport will take on a new look that better reflects the city, its history and culture, president and CEO Bob Sartor vowed on Thursday.

Let the parade of bronze horse statues reign.

casper · #**7240** Posted **Apr 21, 2018, 4:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

I asked a WS agent if you’d be required to deplane in YHZ, and I got two different answers. One said yes, the other said it’s only stopping to drop people off, pick up more pax and refuel.

My experience with WestJet is you are told you have a choice. If it is tight they ask you to stay on board. If not your permitted to leave and then you board with the local passengers.

My experience with AC on Geneva-Montreal-Toronto is that you have to get off, with your bags. You clear customs then get back on as the Montreal-Toronto leg is domestic.

My experience with United on their old Chicago flight, Chicago-Regina-Saskatoon is you were required to stay on board as they did not have rights to fly passengers only between Regina-Saskatoon. You then cleared Canada customs in Saskatoon.

I would guess WS would want to sell domestic seats between Halifax and Calgary so they would force everyone to clear customs in Halifax. Going over it may be tricky. Not certain how they handle duty free etc.