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Johnny Aussie · #**7201** Posted **Apr 3, 2018, 5:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well except Hainan is still running YYC-PEK. I be they would up frequencies if they were not bilateral capped too.

I personally would be surprised if any cut of YYC-NRT was permanent, mainly due to Asian appetite for Banff.

If AC is able to source a couple more frames I bet NRT survives as a summer seasonal over the near future.

The thing with Hainan is there were two frequencies remaining available to Canada. The fact they didn’t use those to increase YYC-PEK still casts doubt on the viability of that route. Instead they chose to start YVR-TSN-SZX at only two weekly. Despite HU’s desire to have at least three weekly on that route it was capped at only two as that’s what is allowed under the current allotments. So despite that they still chose option B (YVR-TSN-SZX) over a possible option A (increase YYC-PEK).

thenoflyzone · #**7202** Posted **Apr 3, 2018, 12:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The thing with Hainan is there were two frequencies remaining available to Canada. The fact they didn’t use those to increase YYC-PEK still casts doubt on the viability of that route. Instead they chose to start YVR-TSN-SZX at only two weekly. Despite HU’s desire to have at least three weekly on that route it was capped at only two as that’s what is allowed under the current allotments. So despite that they still chose option B (YVR-TSN-SZX) over a possible option A (increase YYC-PEK).

Due to China's 1 airline, 1 route policy, it was in HU's best interest to jump on YVR-TSN and lock that market in, or risk losing it to other Chinese carriers. In that regard, YYC-PEK's performance wouldn't matter.

HU's plan was most likely to start as many routes to Canada as they could, and then sit and wait for Canada to grant more rights, after which they can increase frequency.

Not a financially sound plan, mind you. Explains partly why HNA Group, HU's parent company is burning a lot of cash, and needs more.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hna-g...ll-in-first-quarter-source-idUSKBN1FJ0I8

Johnny Aussie · #**7203** Posted **Apr 3, 2018, 8:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Due to China's 1 airline, 1 route policy, it was in HU's best interest to jump on YVR-TSN and lock that market in, or risk losing it to other Chinese carriers. In that regard, YYC-PEK's performance wouldn't matter.

HU's plan was most likely to start as many routes to Canada as they could, and then sit and wait for Canada to grant more rights, after which they can increase frequency.

Not a financially sound plan, mind you. Explains partly why HNA Group, HU's parent company is burning a lot of cash, and needs more.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hna-g...ll-in-first-quarter-source-idUSKBN1FJ0I8

Yes to start as many commercially viable routes as possible. Therefore, they see this route as more commercially viable than adding frequencies at this time. There is the possibility they will cut YYC-PEK altogether and move those allotments. That is if China is not granted more slots into Canada. Canada still has plenty of unused frequencies available so giving China even more would be so unbalanced and we know how the Canadian government doesn’t like doing that.

suburbia · #**7204** Posted **Apr 5, 2018, 3:50 PM**

With Westjet's Paris service starting end of May, does anyone have an inside scoop on if they will be having an introductory sale of epic proportions?

CrossedTheTracks · #**7205** Posted **Apr 5, 2018, 5:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

With Westjet's Paris service starting end of May, does anyone have an inside scoop on if they will be having an introductory sale of epic proportions?

Pretty sure the epic sale already happened when the schedule was first loaded in late January. "One-way intro fares from Halifax to Paris or London are available now for just $199 all in.", said the press release on Jan 28. (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/westjet-heads-to-paris-and-london-from-halifax-671641603.html)

Now it's just the regular semi-random ongoing seat sales...

hollywoodcory · #**7206** Posted **Apr 6, 2018, 10:03 PM**

Looks like NRT will be resuming March 23, with daily flights.

hollywoodcory · #**7207** Posted **Apr 8, 2018, 10:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

I heard "temporary hiatus due equipment shortage".

Make of that what you will... I personally don't care as long as it comes back.

An AC agent told me the same thing. They also mentioned there were days the route was less than half full. But either way, I’m glad to see it wasn’t permanently killed.

On another note, today is Aeromexico’s last flight.

Cage · #**7208** Posted **Apr 9, 2018, 7:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

AZA loads seem to be tapering off significantly for WS. Wouldn't be surprised if it quietly gets pulled for next winter, so I'll be keeping an eye on that. DEN is performing very well, though I doubt it's highly yielding given the fares. In terms of loads, it's performing about as well as SAN.

I still believe that AZA will get Swooped next winter. Perhaps with a few other transborder routes from YYZ.

thenoflyzone · #**7209** Posted **Apr 10, 2018, 10:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

I heard "temporary hiatus due equipment shortage".

Make of that what you will... I personally don't care as long as it comes back.

hmmm....

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...ends-milan-service-to-year-round-in-w18/

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Air Canada in recent schedule update converted Toronto – Milan Malpensa service to year-round operation, first time since winter 2014/15 season. During winter 2018/19 season, the Star Alliance member will operate this route 3 times a week with Boeing 767, from 28OCT18. There will be no operation between 11JAN19 and 20FEB19.

AC894 YYZ2055 – 1055+1MXP 763 146
AC895 MXP1235 – 1610YYZ 763 257

Policy Wonk · #**7210** Posted **Apr 10, 2018, 8:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

AZA loads seem to be tapering off significantly for WS.

Mesa is really only practical for snowbirds in the Chandler area.

hollywoodcory · #**7211** Posted **Apr 10, 2018, 8:45 PM**

NRT also had weaker loads this winter too, partially due to AC opening YVR-YZF.

I’m excited for nonstop to YQB. Such a beautiful city and no pesky connections in YYZ.

thenoflyzone · #**7212** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

Also just announced, beginning June 29 for summer:

WS372 YYC 1030 1634 YQB 73W 1356
WS379 YQB 1730 2011 YYC 73W 1356

Route will be summer seasonal, but WS is apparently open to the idea of making it year round. The skiers in Quebec need to support the route in winter though. A few Albertans in Quebec during the winter "carnaval" wouldn't hurt either !

casper · #**7213** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

Yeah they clearly launched AZA as NewLeaf retaliation and since that's no longer necessary, I don't think anyone expects it to be around long term.

Timed for cnx to everything out west, too... no reason this shouldn't work. In case anyone has forgotten the scope of the WS late bank, in July it'll be YVR, YEG, YMM, YXE, YYJ, YQR, YKA, YCD, YXX, YQQ, YQU, YQL, YXC, YXH, YLW, YXY...

Do they have much in the way of California connections in that bank. It has a shot season but Quebec City functions as a home port for a number of cruise ships.

Cage · #**7214** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 6:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Route will be summer seasonal, but WS is apparently open to the idea of making it year round. The skiers in Quebec need to support the route in winter though. A few Albertans in Quebec during the winter "carnaval" wouldn't hurt either !

Operating full summer seasonal service would be a good first step to eventual year round service. Year round is a long way off, IMHO.

YYC-YQB will either end up like YYC-YYT (summer seasonal only) or like YYC-YQM, YYC-YDF and cut completely. There is lots of one stop connection opportunities included AC rouge running 319/321 on YYZ-YQB This is a keep airplanes flying type of seasonal operation.

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Originally Posted by Acey

Timed for cnx to everything out west, too... no reason this shouldn't work. In case anyone has forgotten the scope of the WS late bank, in July it'll be YVR, YEG, YMM, YXE, YYJ, YQR, YKA, YCD, YXX, YQQ, YQU, YQL, YXC, YXH, YLW, YXY...

Most of the connections can all ready be handled through YYZ Those that cant use YYZ are too small services to worry about.

Jay in Cowtown · #**7215** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 8:52 PM**

Assuming a lot of people on here are aviation enthusiasts... which I myself am not, but since I've discovered Flightradar24 app I'm finding myself running out the door with my binoculars every time an A380 flies over. Damn those jets are huge!

Anyone else having this problem? lol

Johnny Aussie · #**7216** Posted **Apr 12, 2018, 12:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jay in Cowtown

Assuming a lot of people on here are aviation enthusiasts... which I myself am not, but since I've discovered Flightradar24 app I'm finding myself running out the door with my binoculars every time an A380 flies over. Damn those jets are huge!

Anyone else having this problem? lol

Yup! QF93 just flew overhead at about 7,000 on its way to LAX.
No binoculars required!

Cage · #**7217** Posted **Apr 12, 2018, 4:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

Sure, but I'd rather one-stop it through YYC to get west than deal with the YYZ hellhole. Wouldn't you?

I have been through YYZ over 60 times. While there have been disappointments, there have been way more times when being at the large hub has gotten me home despite being in a tight situation (delayed, cancelled, oversold, weather, etc.).

Compared to other airports (BOS, EWR, JFK, ATL, ORD, LAX, LHR, FRA), YYZ is a great airport to travel through. The biggest advantage for YYZ is that all flights are out of the same terminal (provided its most unatural to connect between the airlines in T1 and T3. Other airports have connections across terminals. Given the airport size, the amount of walking is manageable.

So, in short I would rather connect in YYZ than YYC.

Denscity · #**7218** Posted **Apr 13, 2018, 2:47 AM**

Wow lots of Xs and Qs in there.

Johnny Aussie · #**7219** Posted **Apr 13, 2018, 11:25 AM**

Looking at flairair.ca it looks like Flair is launching some new routes from YYC this summer:

YVR
YLW
YWG

I guess they can't ignore YYC anymore... limited services but enough to start shaking things up.

FormerWingTipper · #**7220** Posted **Apr 13, 2018, 12:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looking at flairair.ca it looks like Flair is launching some new routes from YYC this summer:

YVR
YLW
YWG

I guess they can't ignore YYC anymore... limited services but enough to start shaking things up.

They must be swamped with calls of interest, as their website has the following notice now for 8 straight days [sarcasm]:

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