Winnipeg Construction IX

[esquire]

Originally Posted by wardlow

Nice-looking mixed use project at 456 Bannatyne just east of Isabel St. is seeking Board of Adjustment approval. (Scroll to the bottom of the report to see renderings.) Four stories, one commercial unit. Will replace a duplex that looks to date back to the 1880s.

Hey, that's not bad at all. Certainly no worse looking than what's going up in much of Osborne Village.

Very exciting to see new infill development like this in this part of the city. Seems like such an obvious place to be revitalized.

I agree. Seeing the area between the Exchange and HSC move in a similar direction to West Broadway would be game changing. I cite WB specifically because it's an example of an area that has improved but without gentrifying so much that it is completely out of reach to lower income residents. Just having it become a reasonably safe and pleasant inner city neighbourhood to live in would be fantastic. Projects like this help to move things in that direction.

[Roger Strong]

Originally Posted by cheswick

The perimeter is provincial.

Oh. Don't Pembina, McGillivary, McPhillips, Main, Henderson and Lag north and south also have provincial route numbers within Winnipeg? Is that any different?

If so, the municipalities could put toll booths *between* Winnipeg and the Perimeter on McGillivary, Route 90, McPhillips, Main, Henderson, Lag north and Fermor.

Originally Posted by wardlow

And much of it is inside City limits.

More than half of it is outside of city limits. You can't go a quarter of the way around without passing through another municipality.

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by Roger Strong

Oh. Don't Pembina, McGillivary, McPhillips, Main, Henderson and Lag north and south also have provincial route numbers within Winnipeg? Is that any different?

If so, the municipalities could put toll booths *between* Winnipeg and the Perimeter on McGillivary, Route 90, McPhillips, Main, Henderson, Lag north and Fermor.

Yes it is different. The perimeter is owned and maintained by the province of Manitoba. Those streets within the city are owned and maintained by the city of Winnipeg.

Pretty sure most if not all of the aforementioned are owned and maintained by the province outside the city, so whatever RM's they run through couldn't put tolls on them.

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by cheswick

Yes it is different. The perimeter is owned and maintained by the province of Manitoba. Those streets within the city are owned and maintained by the city of Winnipeg.

Pretty sure most if not all of the aforementioned are owned and maintained by the province outside the city, so whatever RM's they run through couldn't put tolls on them.

Yup, here's a question for you. What about fermor and Portage? They are technically Highway #1 and may not be allowed to be tolled. is it possible to toll them?

[wardlow]

Originally Posted by esquire

Hey, that's not bad at all. Certainly no worse looking than what's going up in much of Osborne Village.

I agree. Seeing the area between the Exchange and HSC move in a similar direction to West Broadway would be game changing. I cite WB specifically because it's an example of an area that has improved but without gentrifying so much that it is completely out of reach to lower income residents. Just having it become a reasonably safe and pleasant inner city neighbourhood to live in would be fantastic. Projects like this help to move things in that direction.

Absolutely. Based on my limited recent experiences in the area (mainly evening bike rides last summer, and picking up takeout at Pho No. 1), I get the sense it's becoming a relatively quiet neighbourhood. Maybe not quite West Broadway, but probably similar to North Point Douglas. In other words, there isn't the same level of apparent danger/criminal activity, or dysfunctional poverty and abandonment you see in other parts of the inner city. Seems this way especially on McDermot and Bannatyne, and the little streets between them. Lots of new Canadians living there now.

And the neighbourhood has a really unique feel. Lots of room to build new, but a lot of great old buildings, including a scattering of warehouses, old apartment blocks, and some of the oldest houses in the city. And what other residential neighbourhood can you walk to the Exchange District from without having to cross bridges, rail lines, or freeway-like traffic arteries?

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by dmacc

Yup, here's a question for you. What about fermor and Portage? They are technically Highway #1 and may not be allowed to be tolled. is it possible to toll them?

There are tolls on portions of the trans Canada in NS and in BC (according to its Wikipedia page). Under the assumption Winnipeg could toll its roads, see no reason those would be an exception.

[Authentic_City]

Originally Posted by cheswick

There are tolls on portions of the trans Canada in NS and in BC (according to its Wikipedia page). Under the assumption Winnipeg could toll its roads, see no reason those would be an exception.

Interestingly, the toll was taken off the Port Mann bridge in Vancouver last Fall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Mann_Bridge#Tolling

Didn't either Pallister or Bowman recently say that toll roads/bridges were a non starter? Not sure why we don't see many toll roads or bridges in Canada. This actually seems like a good way to pay for infrastructure upgrades.

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by Authentic_City

Interestingly, the toll was taken off the Port Mann bridge in Vancouver last Fall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Mann_Bridge#Tolling

Didn't either Pallister or Bowman recently say that toll roads/bridges were a non starter? Not sure why we don't see many toll roads or bridges in Canada. This actually seems like a good way to pay for infrastructure upgrades.

Bowman tweeted me last year that he campaigned against it. I don't remember him campaigning against it though. I think it would be a pretty good idea.

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by pacman

This whole city resident vs bedroom community resident 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 match is all about perspective. Each side can come up with different situations to validate their own arguments and counter the other's arguments. Personally I think both sides have benefits and both sides have drawbacks. One thing I dislike though is how over the top the "city dwellers" make it sound to their detriment. As others have said, the out of towners who commute into town are typically employed in commercial settings where their businesses pay their fair share of taxes to proportionately support their drain on things like sewer and water service to the business, police and fire service to the business, etc.... So if we boil it down to strictly overloading and causing extra wear and tear on the roads I think that's a fair argument. If any of you have looked at the City's budget, or even used your eyes to simply look at the road inventory, you will see that local ie: residential streets comprise the vast majority of roads in Winnipeg. The out of towners typically stick to the City's regional streets to commute so you would then have to further isolate their "drain" on city services strictly to regional street "wear and tear". Given that the Province subsidizes a large portion of regional street maintenance and new construction through direct funding as well as transfer payments, I would say that the net cost to the city for the services they provide to out of towners is negligable.

Those who bring property taxes into the argument saying things like "if out of towners think they're carrying their weight without paying property taxes then I'll just tell the City the same thing when I get my tax bill" must understand that there is a huge portion of the city's budget that goes strictly to local services (residential streets, police and fire, swimming pools, libraries, soccer fields, community clubs, etc...) that out of towners don't use or pay proportionately higher than residents. Property taxes as well as business taxes (that out of towners are supporting) pay for those things. It's a two way street with pros and cons for both sides and unless you recognize the benefits of each side, you don't see the whole picture.

^Very good points. There are pros and cons, and it is important to see the big picture.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by wardlow

And much of it is inside City limits.

The Perimeter from roughly CCW to Lag and Lag to HWY 15 are definitely outside city limits. I recall many years back the Springfield Fire Department was dispatched to the area near Fun Mountain/Tinkertown. I would also strongly suspect that HWY 15 to Lag is also outside Winnipeg considering there are a number of businesses on Gunn Rd (inside that section of the Perimeter) that are considering to be in the RM of Springfield. Hazarding a guess a good chunk of Roblin to Wavlery is also outside Winnipeg limits.

It is actually somewhat surprising when you research the actual boundaries how little of the Perimeter is actually inside Winnipeg city limits even when you think the city is pushed right up to and even across the Perimeter in some places.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by CoryB

The Perimeter from roughly CCW to Lag and Lag to HWY 15 are definitely outside city limits. I recall many years back the Springfield Fire Department was dispatched to the area near Fun Mountain/Tinkertown. I would also strongly suspect that HWY 15 to Lag is also outside Winnipeg considering there are a number of businesses on Gunn Rd (inside that section of the Perimeter) that are considering to be in the RM of Springfield. Hazarding a guess a good chunk of Roblin to Wavlery is also outside Winnipeg limits.

It is actually somewhat surprising when you research the actual boundaries how little of the Perimeter is actually inside Winnipeg city limits even when you think the city is pushed right up to and even across the Perimeter in some places.

The Perimeter is all outside city limits aside from two small sections on the west side of the city and between Highway 59 and just west of Highway 75 on the south side of the city.

Almost looks like it was intentionally built this way as a strictly provincial highway or planners just screwed up.

[esquire]

^ The way it's designed, I don't think it concerns over municipal boundaries really played into it.

[wardlow]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ The way it's designed, I don't think it concerns over municipal boundaries really played into it.

Yep. Plus most of Highway 101 was built before Unicity (1972), meaning it passed through even more municipalities than it does today.

Anyway, there's this handy thing called Google, which is able to show Highway 101 in relation to City boundaries on a map. Crazy, I know!

[dmacc]

Does anyone know what's going on with the Parker Lands development? Are we going to see this getting built up this summer?

[buzzg]

Main floor of MacDonald block is all hoarded, work on the inside and street-level is starting!

Also, signs are up for the the two businesses moving into the Scott Block, I’ve heard the office is close to ready.

I really hope the city spends some money on South Main asap to bring it up to the standards/look of strertscaping on Portage and Main (north of Portage).

[esquire]

^ You're right, Main south of Portage never got that streetscaping treatment that the northern stretch got back in the 90s, so it's looking a little neglected. It would be nice to see it get refreshed too.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ You're right, Main south of Portage never got that streetscaping treatment that the northern stretch got back in the 90s, so it's looking a little neglected. It would be nice to see it get refreshed too.

Yeah, especially now that there’s some good stuff happening organically there, it’s the right time. Spruce it up while people are paying attention and hopefully more will happen.

[1ajs]

to bad its going to have to be knee jerk hurting buisnes's that move to the area now

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

to bad its going to have to be knee jerk hurting buisnes's that move to the area now

? I don’t understand, knee jerk hurting businesses?

[1ajs]

cause if they do exactly the same thing they did on the north part they will not be able to operate while the st is torn right up

i worked at a book store in that area when it happend it killed buisnes not being able to get in