Winnipeg Construction IX

[Biff]

Finally a project for the vacant gas station lot - Henderson and Greene. Should start in spring. Not residential. Not a one storey strip mall either. Cant say more right now.

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by esquire

Here's an interesting factoid from the Regina construction thread, which goes further to my earlier point that it's not doom and gloom on the office space front, and there is a solid reason as to why TNS exists:

This is great news, it sounds like the city is ready for a lot of investment in its real estate.

[wardlow]

Originally Posted by Biff

Finally a project for the vacant gas station lot - Henderson and Greene. Should start in spring. Not residential. Not a one storey strip mall either. Cant say more right now.

Cool. Based on what I've heard, it's something similar to a recent office project on Henderson, though not as car-oriented.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by wardlow

Cool. Based on what I've heard, it's something similar to a recent office project on Henderson, though not as car-oriented.

If you could see me at my desk I would be touching my nose....if you could see me

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by wardlow

Cool. Based on what I've heard, it's something similar to a recent office project on Henderson, though not as car-oriented.

That building is still largely vacant.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by wardlow

Thank you for saying this. One need only travel as far as Minneapolis/St. Paul to see what this looks like. The City of Minneapolis proper is a city of only ~350,000 people, which I would guess was all built up by 1960. Yet I don't think it's citizens bemoan the hundreds thousands of people who live in St. Louis Park, Bloomington, St. Anthony, etc. as avaricious freeloaders the same way we do here.

And aside from drive on city roads, what other municipal services do capital region dwellers "take advantage" of? Unless they are living in parts of East or West St. Paul that pay for City water/sewer, I can't think of any.

The difference of course is that in Minneapolis, the city doesn't have to build and maintain the commuting routes used by exurban commuters the same way that it does in Winnipeg.

Like I said in my earlier post on the topic, I don't think a few buildings make much of a difference, but on the margins the City of Winnipeg is better off having residents of a MURB situated inside city limits and contributing to city taxes as opposed to being just outside the boundaries and paying taxes to East St. Paul instead.

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by wardlow

Cool. Based on what I've heard, it's something similar to a recent office project on Henderson, though not as car-oriented.

but isn't that place 1/2 or more empty? is there demand in that area?

[cllew]

Now if the old gas station lot a few blocks south on Henderson and Dunrobin could find something to go in there.

And also somebody to develop the old Petro Can at Henderson and Johnson. That location I don't ever recall seeing any signs on saying for sale or lease.

[bomberjet]

Maybe a company is moving into a new office building of their own at Henderson at Greene?

[Hecate]

It's honestly pathetic when winnipeggers 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 about the suburban rural communities using all the city services and not paying for anything. Such a joke. Where do you think all these people shop? Where do they go to movies? Where do they go for dinner? For jets games? For concerts? These people spend lots of cash in your city supporting your businesses and you are gonna complain. Wow!

[drew]

^ meh. It's not much different then, for example, someone from East St. Paul who commutes into the City for work daily, or as you stated perhaps comes into the City to take in some of the entertainment options, that constantly complains about the state of Winnipeg roads, traffic, crime, etc. etc.

[Authentic_City]

I don't think the average American living in a large metro area "bemoans" ex-urbanites using the services of the central city. The issue is rather that there are huge disparities between central cities and surrounding municipalities. In the US (not so much in Canada), central cities have higher costs due to older infrastructure, declining property tax bases, and more pressing social issues than surrounding suburban communities (think Detroit, for example). Here, Winnipeg has not lost most of its industrial or property tax base to exurban municipalities, but the issue is that property tax revenues are not shared across the capital region to support shared infrastructure used by everyone. Buying gas in the city or going to a Jet's game doesn't fund infrastructure in Winnipeg - that comes from property taxes.

[Roger Strong]

The population of municipalities surrounding a city also help that city to be considered for things like hockey franchises and Ikeas.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

but isn't that place 1/2 or more empty? is there demand in that area?

This is the same type of conversation regarding downtown office vacancy and the construction of new buildings.

Who gives a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 if the new office building at the corner of Helmsdale and Henderson is mostly vacant. If I want to build new office space near by and have a tenant then I will build my new building. Just bad planning by the developers/owners of the Helmsdale building.

[pegcityboy]

It's not like the " commuters. " have a choice , they have to shop , go to events in Winnipeg cause there is nothing outside of city like it ! So don't say we spend our money in Winnipeg and you should be thankful , The ones who work in Winnipeg need Winnipeg for their jobs and use our roads . I'm fine with somebody who works in Wpg and lives in Portage , Steinbach , Teulon etc but Winnipeg should have done what other cities have done (Cgy , Edm , to name a few ) once a municipality becomes a certain size and is within 10 km of city limits and 50 % of population works in the city it gets annexed to the city ! West and East St Paul basically connected to city same with Headingly , and Oak Bluff country living ? Lol everything on Kenaston that they need !

[Bluenote]

Originally Posted by pegcityboy

It's not like the " commuters. " have a choice , they have to shop , go to events in Winnipeg cause there is nothing outside of city like it ! So don't say we spend our money in Winnipeg and you should be thankful , The ones who work in Winnipeg need Winnipeg for their jobs and use our roads . I'm fine with somebody who works in Wpg and lives in Portage , Steinbach , Teulon etc but Winnipeg should have done what other cities have done (Cgy , Edm , to name a few ) once a municipality becomes a certain size and is within 10 km of city limits and 50 % of population works in the city it gets annexed to the city ! West and East St Paul basically connected to city same with Headingly , and Oak Bluff country living ? Lol everything on Kenaston that they need !

Exactly. Well said.

[bomberjet]

I personally don't have much of an issue with the bedroom communities. Just how it is.

It's when the one, like East St Paul, wanted to use local Winnipeg roads for hauling endless trucks into their new Wal-Mart. That was a pretty unique situation. Other than that, it's bound to happen.

[Hecate]

The people living in bedroom communities spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year in the city of Winnipeg. If you don't think that is contribution enough... wow. And it's not that they have to. I go to Winnipeg maybe once a month. Otherwise I do all my shopping in Selkirk, birds hill, or oakbank. Or else online. my community is full of stables, so all the city folks can keep their horses. There are two beautiful golf courses that the city folks like to come use too. Not to mention the nice little beach and park that is birds hill. Every year we don't mind you coming out this way for the folk festival even though you tie up our roads and cause long wait lines at our businesses. Not to mention all the litter left behind after the party. You see it goes both ways. Businesses in my community benefit from city people just like the businesses in the city benefit from rural people. When people spend money in establishments it goes towards paying people's wages and and taxes. Not to mention that Winnipeg is the provincial capital so it belongs to all Manitobans. Just like Ottawa belongs to all Canadians.

[esquire]

My response to Wolf13's comment has certainly provoked quite an emotional reaction.

Hey, all I said was that if East St. Paul doesn't want multifamily developments, then Winnipeg will gladly take them. In the end it won't make a huge difference... sort of like the municipal equivalent of finding a loonie on the sidewalk.

[drew]

Originally Posted by Hecate

The people living in bedroom communities spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year in the city of Winnipeg. If you don't think that is contribution enough... wow. And it's not that they have to. I go to Winnipeg maybe once a month. Otherwise I do all my shopping in Selkirk, birds hill, or oakbank. Or else online. my community is full of stables, so all the city folks can keep their horses. There are two beautiful golf courses that the city folks like to come use too. Not to mention the nice little beach and park that is birds hill. Every year we don't mind you coming out this way for the folk festival even though you tie up our roads and cause long wait lines at our businesses. Not to mention all the litter left behind after the party. You see it goes both ways. Businesses in my community benefit from city people just like the businesses in the city benefit from rural people. When people spend money in establishments it goes towards paying people's wages and and taxes. Not to mention that Winnipeg is the provincial capital so it belongs to all Manitobans. Just like Ottawa belongs to all Canadians.

Just pointing out that the bolded is an interesting statement, considering the point you were trying to make in your previous post...