YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[SpongeG]

so I flew down from the north today, yxj. I get to the airport, the 6:10 flight was delayed until 6:40. Not the end of the world. We get to board the flight and than we were alittle slow as they were waiting on 3 people to show up. So we finally get to leave. A few minutes into the flight we hear a huge bang kind of noise coming from the back door, my ears popped really hard to the point they kinda hurt, people are turning around and some are looking really freaked out and people are saying is that the door whats going on? and nothing, a few minutes later the flight attendant comes running down the aisle from the front of the plane. And then walks back to the front, people are all confused AF about the noise and the flight attendant running. Anyway a few minutes later the pilot comes on and says there is a pressure problem and we need to turn back and land and he will fill us in. So we land and he had to get off the plane to try figure out what was going on with the plane via the phone to the crew in Vancouver. Long story short, he said it was some kind of snow or ice on the door that did the noise but it affected the pressure system and I assume they didn't want to risk it so we had to fly at 10,000 feet instead of the normal 25,000 feet and we had to sit on the plane for nearly an hour and they had to get a route that would get us to vancouver flying so low and still get us over the rockies etc. I have no idea where we flew but it was 2 hours instead of the normal 90 minutes and they had to fuel up the plane etc. And while on the ground after nearly an hour the flight attendant finally says oh if you want to get off the plane and fly tomorrow cause you missed your flight in Vancouver let me know otherwise they will give you a hotel room etc. when you get to YVR. Only one person left. Then she comes on again and says please stop going to the bathroom or we will never leave cause I guess we coud have departed earlier but people were going to the bathroom non stop. And she was like please stop using the bathroom I want to leave, she literally said that. Anyway 3 hours later then expected. But not nice hearing a loud bang when taking off.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

not sure if this were posted, but:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/bre...the-hub-AME&utm_content=the-hub-20180126

Hainan is launching a whole lot of routes for an airline who's parent company has financial issues.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...outing-up-over-hna-s-mounting-debt-costs

They are launching PEK-TIJ-MEX, SZX-TSN-YVR, SZX-MAD and SZX-BRU this year.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

1) JFK
2) YYZ
3) LAX
4) MIA
5) SFO
6) EWR
7) YVR or ORD
8) ORD or YVR

I think ORD will be ahead of YVR, based on their tally til November.

Full year 2017 international figures for North American airports, except otherwise noted.

Standings extrapolated based on potential full year figures.

1. JFK 29.9 million (til Nov '17)
2. YYZ 25.04 million (til Oct '17)
3. LAX 24.8 million
4. MIA 21.5 million
5. CUN 15.79 million
6. MEX 15.75 million
7. PTY 15.6 million
8. SFO 13.4 million
9. EWR 11.8 million (til Nov '17)
10. ORD 11.5 million (til Nov '17)
11.YVR 12.4 million
12. ATL 12.03 million
13. YUL 11.2 million
14. IAH 10.3 million
15. DFW 8.5 million
16. FLL 7.18 million
17. BOS 7.16 million

Edit: Corrected IAH, Added MEX, CUN, PTY, as well as FLL.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

I think ORD will be ahead of YVR, based on their tally til November. And i think YUL made it in the top 10 as well.

Full year international figures, except otherwise noted.

That is just phenomenal seeing YVR even at #8 ahead of ATL. Especially considering all those metro areas are over 6 million (except YUL just over 4 million). Plus all of those US cities have fortress hubs for the US majors. Even if international growth slows at YVR there is a strong likelihood it will overtake ORD in 2018. Equally impressive though is YYZ's total just behind JFK and just that much larger than LAX!

[nname]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Hainan is launching a whole lot of routes for an airline who's parent company has financial issues.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...outing-up-over-hna-s-mounting-debt-costs

They are launching PEK-TIJ-MEX, SZX-TSN-YVR, SZX-MAD and SZX-BRU this year.

Note that SZX subsidize heavily on new international route, and probably so does TSN. By starting these routes they can use the subsidy to pay off some of the short-term debt....

[zahav]

There is definitely a big increase of CRAs. How are they to fly on? Seems like the 2-2 configuration would be nice.

United has updated again their SFO aircraft. The last update had all 319s and now it's 738s ,739s, and 320s. So whatever small loss from AC switching to a CRA is more than made up by the larger capacity from United. I'm sure we'll see more tweaks, UA loves switching it's aircraft on routes frequently

[nname]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

not sure if this were posted, but:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/bre...the-hub-AME&utm_content=the-hub-20180126

I was thinking... the summer schedule of MEL and DEL combined to have a daily flight leaving YVR just before or after midnight, and come back by 8am two days later. That's 2.5 additional planes this summer for the two routes compared to the last. Since the original winter-seasonal route was probably run with idle planes off summer routes... does that means we will get new winter routes or some seasonal routes get extended year-round later this year from these 2.5 additional planes (AC did mentioned routes to South East Asia are good candidates for winter routes), or they will just sit idle over the winter?

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

That is just phenomenal seeing YVR even at #8 ahead of ATL. Especially considering all those metro areas are over 6 million (except YUL just over 4 million). Plus all of those US cities have fortress hubs for the US majors. Even if international growth slows at YVR there is a strong likelihood it will overtake ORD in 2018. Equally impressive though is YYZ's total just behind JFK and just that much larger than LAX!

Technically, if we are talking "North america", we need to include MEX and CUN to the list, both of which had 15.7 million international passengers. (CUN edging out MEX by a few thousand.)

So technically, YVR is #10, YUL #12.

Will edit the list up top.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Technically, if we are talking "North america", we need to include MEX and CUN to the list, both of which had 15.7 million international passengers. (CUN edging out MEX by a few thousand.)

So technically, YVR is #10, YUL #12.

Don't forget about Panama.

PTY is entirely international and saw 14,741,937 PAX in 2016.

That would make YVR #11 and YUL #13.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Don't forget about Panama.

PTY is entirely international and saw 14,741,937 PAX in 2016.

That would make YVR #11 and YUL #13.

Updated, thanks. PTY handled 15.6 million pax in 2017. Not all of that is international, however, as Copa does have 1 domestic flight, PTY to David, in the west side of Panama. Wont affect the numbers much, but still worth mentioning I suppose.

http://logistics.gatech.pa/en/assets/airports/tocumen

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Especially considering all those metro areas are over 6 million (except YUL just over 4 million).

Now that the true top North american airports are on that list, it just goes to show that local population has no bearing with regards to international passenger numbers, or any numbers for that matter.

MEX has a population of over 20 million, and yet lags in the standings. PTY has a population of 1.5 million, CUN is less than 1 million (the whole state of Quintana Roo is 1.5 million), and yet both are among the busiest in North America, each for obviously different reasons. One is a well placed north/south transfer hub across the Americas (30% O&D, 70% transfer traffic), and the other is a tourist resort (100% O&D).

What PTY and CUN do have in common though, is location. They are well placed to attract the kind of passenger numbers that they have.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Now that the true top North american airports are on that list, it just goes to show that local population has no bearing with regards to international passenger numbers, or any numbers for that matter.

PTY has a population of 1.5 million, CUN is less than 1 million (the whole state of Quintana Roo is 1.5 million), and yet both are among the busiest in North America, each for obviously different reasons. One is a well placed north/south transfer hub across the Americas (30% O&D, 70% transfer traffic), and the other is a tourist resort (100% O&D).

Population does play a huge role but of course there are exceptions. To say population has no bearing is incorrect. LAX and the NYC region probably 2 of the largest O&D markets in the world. Right off the bat they would be leaps and bounds ahead of cities like ATL and IAH. Factor in those fortress hub connections and voila....

We can debate the list and the how’s and why’s but regardless... on that list of North American cities very impressive showing for YVR wedged in between ORD and ATL. Even at #11. Next year YVR will hit the top 10 most likely as it sneaks past ORD... See what happens in 12 months. 10 years ago I would never have imagined in a million years YVR’s international network or numbers would be this high.

YVR’s O&D will be growing with all those Chinese connections too!

[Denscity]

Panama is in Central America so I wouldn't count it. MEX and CUN yes.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

.........../pls excuse edit/
We can debate the list and the how’s and why’s but regardless... on that list of North American cities very impressive showing for YVR .... Next year YVR will hit the top 10 most likely as it sneaks past ORD... See what happens in 12 months.
10 years ago I would never have imagined in a million years YVR’s international network or numbers would be this high.

YVR’s O&D will be growing with all those Chinese connections too!

For a relatively small city, YVR does indeed "punch well above its weight" as several people have posted. This will only get even moreso when South American flights begin.
Craig Richmond is intent on SA flights, and wants visa restrictions lifted, and nonstops allowed from YVR. Westjet may one day fill a role there.

That, plus BKK and SIN, and a Middle Eastern gateway, Teheran or Istanbul, and boy oh boy.... YVR... The Little Airport That Could !!

[zahav]

Just a question for anyone who might know? How does aircraft purchases/fleet planning work for Jazz? Technically it is an entirely independent company and only has a capacity purchase agreement with AC, right? So when AC keeps shuffling their schedule (ie. adding a ton of CR9 flying to YVR), is Jazz responsible for finding the aircraft and juggling it? You never hear about Jazz buying planes yet all of these new Jazz flights come up, do they just buy/sell without any news? Seems like there is a good gauge on AC's widebody utilization (ie. forumers on here know how flights rotate from different cities and how aircraft are accounted for). Seems like Jazz just adds all the time, and seems to have endless DH4s and CRAs at their disposal

[casper]

Originally Posted by zahav

Just a question for anyone who might know? How does aircraft purchases/fleet planning work for Jazz? Technically it is an entirely independent company and only has a capacity purchase agreement with AC, right? So when AC keeps shuffling their schedule (ie. adding a ton of CR9 flying to YVR), is Jazz responsible for finding the aircraft and juggling it? You never hear about Jazz buying planes yet all of these new Jazz flights come up, do they just buy/sell without any news? Seems like there is a good gauge on AC's widebody utilization (ie. forumers on here know how flights rotate from different cities and how aircraft are accounted for). Seems like Jazz just adds all the time, and seems to have endless DH4s and CRAs at their disposal

Generally speaking with these regional airlines sometimes the mainline airline (e.g., AC) buys the aircraft and leases them to the operator (e.g., Jazz) other times it is the operator that owns them.

Jazz's parent company is Chorus Aviation, here is the last press release on their most recent purchase:
http://chorusaviation.ca/2017-12-08-Chor...-aircraft-on-lease-to-Aeromexico-Connect

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Panama is in Central America so I wouldn't count it. MEX and CUN yes.

Central America isn't a continent, it's a region in the continent of North America, so unfortunately it most definitely counts.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Central America isn't a continent, it's a region in the continent of North America, so unfortunately it most definitely counts.

Interesting. I was always taught NA was made up of three countries. Funny it took this long for a correction haha.

[LeftCoaster]

Common misconception.

At least you thought NA was three countries, most only think of two!

[teriyaki]

Then how come NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) only encompasses 3 countries . Food for thought