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Old Posted Jan 27, 2018, 11:40 PM
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2017 International Stats

As more North American airports post their full year 2017 stats it looks like YVR will move up the ladder for total intl pax as YVR passes through 12.4M international pax.

Having already passed IAH, YVR will finish at either 7th or 8th place as it leaps over ATL and will be oh so close to passing ORD in fact YVR may just pip ORD. Imagine YVR having more international passengers than ORD!?

1) JFK
2) YYZ
3) LAX
4) MIA
5) SFO
6) EWR
7) YVR or ORD
8) ORD or YVR

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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 3:16 AM
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As more North American airports post their full year 2017 stats it looks like YVR will move up the ladder for total intl pax as YVR passes through 12.4M international pax.
Does 12.4M include US transborder?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 4:10 AM
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Does 12.4M include US transborder?
Of course it does. Total international... US cities only record total international.... plus they have two borders for transborder a lot of those southern US cities would have WAY more traffic to Mexico than Canada as well (eg DFW, IAH, ATL, LAX, MIA etc)
     
     
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The Australian F-18s is another matter.

Boeing buying Embraer is nothing more than a retaliation towards BBD/Airbus. It's not a strong move if you ask me, as it is by no means a home run scenario for them, unlike the Airbus/BBD linkup, which benefits both players immensely.

The E175-E2 sales are suffering due to ongoing US scope clauses. So those planes aren't selling in Embraer's most important market, the US, which is why they have delayed service entry of that type until 2021.

Airlines who own the E190, seen as eventual buyers of the E190-E2, are dumping their planes in favor of the CSeries. (Air Canada is an example, Jetblue might be another, as they have delayed their decision of getting rid of the E190s, probably waiting for the USITC ruling). Delta was supposed to get the used AC E190s, and decided to go with the CSeries as well. AA will dump 20 E190s by 2019. Clearly, Embraer has issues of it's own to deal with.

As for mixed orders, the tie-up just happened. With the duties/tarrifs looming, no North American carrier was going to order the CSeries. Now that the duties/tarrifs are a thing of the past, i fully expect airlines like JetBlue to seriously consider the CSeries as replacement for their 100 seat planes. Mixed aircraft orders are extremely likely for an airline like them.

So again, I don't think Boeing really wants Embraer, but was rather forced into that corner by Airbus/BBD. Either way, they are definitely worse off now than before their complaint was filed.



They already dealt Boeing a heavy blow with a 100 Airbus plane order last month. Ed Bastian is a tough guy and was vocal about his spat with Boeing. Orders like this in the future would not surprise me, especially if Ed will stick around at DL for the long haul. I definitely see them topping up their A350 order before going the way of the dreamliner.

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-rel...-order-for-100-a321neo-acf-aircraft.html



Boeing simply delayed American carriers ordering the CSeries. Nothing more. JetBlue delayed their E190 replacement. They didn't go ahead and order Boeing. So its not like they shut the CSeries program down. If anything, they helped the program get a new lifeline. Yes, mission accomplished indeed....

As i said, Boeing is definitely worse off now than before their complaint was filed. Yes, this whole scenario wasn't pleasant for BBD, but now that it's over, they have a chance to flourish when CSeries sales pick up (and they will). Boeing's future in the 100-150 seat segment looks unclear, for all the reasons mentioned above, plus the fact that their own Max 7 isn't selling well at all, with only 63 orders.

Airbus, on the other hand, took care of their A319neo sale problems, by means of acquiring the CSeries.

Boeing is scratching itself in the head right now, thinking about where they went wrong. They left billions on the table (Canada F-18s, Delta order, most likely future orders as well). Dumb move.

They should have partnered up with BBD, or built their own 100-150 seat plane. Now, that market seems firmly in the hands of Airbus/BBD.

One of the main metrics I am basing my findings on is the stock market, in which boeing was up over 100% last year as a blue chip company, which was enough to be one of the top performing stocks in the US. This is taking into account all of the information you have provided, and the market takes into account the future financials of these news stories. Fact of the matter is, a large part of this stock growth is the possible merger between Embraer and Boeing. And just like how Airbus has / will help the C-series, Boeing would most likely have the exact same effect on the E-jet series. This isn't taking into account as well the other divisions of Embraer which Boeing would gain unlike Airbus who just own 50% of the C-series program.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 2:54 PM
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does 12.4m include us transborder?
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 4:05 PM
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One of the main metrics I am basing my findings on is the stock market, in which boeing was up over 100% last year as a blue chip company, which was enough to be one of the top performing stocks in the US. This is taking into account all of the information you have provided, and the market takes into account the future financials of these news stories. Fact of the matter is, a large part of this stock growth is the possible merger between Embraer and Boeing. And just like how Airbus has / will help the C-series, Boeing would most likely have the exact same effect on the E-jet series. This isn't taking into account as well the other divisions of Embraer which Boeing would gain unlike Airbus who just own 50% of the C-series program.
So you're basing your findings on speculation? Because that's what the stock market is. Nothing more.

Let's stay clear of speculative information shall we....

Unlike the Airbus/BBD tie-up, primarily about the CSeries, Boeing doesn't give two hoots about the E-Jets. The main reason why they would want to purchase Embraer is to get their hands on the engineering talent down there, that could help them build the 797.

Boeing learned a hard lesson with the 787. Having suppliers do the engineering work cost them dearly. Delays ensued, and when things didn't work out, they were forced to buy out the partner plants in South Carolina. All of this was a financial nightmare. Boeing will probably never recover all of its 787 investment.

To avoid a repeat of that debacle, Boeing is unlikely to be interested in having Embraer engineers help develop a new Boeing plane. They’d have to be Boeing engineers.

That is the only reason why Boeing is interested in Embraer.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 10:34 PM
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 11:49 PM
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So you're basing your findings on speculation? Because that's what the stock market is. Nothing more.

Let's stay clear of speculative information shall we....

Unlike the Airbus/BBD tie-up, primarily about the CSeries, Boeing doesn't give two hoots about the E-Jets. The main reason why they would want to purchase Embraer is to get their hands on the engineering talent down there, that could help them build the 797.

Boeing learned a hard lesson with the 787. Having suppliers do the engineering work cost them dearly. Delays ensued, and when things didn't work out, they were forced to buy out the partner plants in South Carolina. All of this was a financial nightmare. Boeing will probably never recover all of its 787 investment.

To avoid a repeat of that debacle, Boeing is unlikely to be interested in having Embraer engineers help develop a new Boeing plane. They’d have to be Boeing engineers.

That is the only reason why Boeing is interested in Embraer.
And you are basing your findings on.......

Your comment relating to the stock market demonstrates your lack of knowledge in the area, as many companies are not valued on "speculation", but actual analysis of earnings and future cash flows. Boeing is certainly not a company that is wildly fuelled by speculation as they are a "blue chip" company, which typically means a slow growth, stable company, that can provide adequate, safe returns for investors.

Speculative investing are industries such as Crypto Currencies and Marijuana. You really think RBC, CIBC, Johnson & Johnson, Berkshire Hathaway, CN, Walmart etc. are all "fuelled" by speculation? These companies have tangible and reliable metrics of information which are quantifiable, thus the valuation of these firms. Boeing falls into this category of company without question.

What basis do you have to say Boeing has no interest in the E-jet? The aircraft serves a niche market Boeing currently does not compete in, thus increased sales, increased cash flow, and happy investors. The consolidation in the private and military jet space will help Boeing with regards to market presence, and pricing power as they will control more of the market, as well as adding additional technical expertise to the already incredible talent at the company.

787 numbers have been decent, and many of the "expense costs" can be written off as they are R&D etc. with special tax and accounting treatments. This move would be, assuming a good price, a great deal for the longterm future of Boeing.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 12:02 AM
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Another LAX change

As soon as DL cut its YVR-LAX UA was quick to add a second daily this summer.

YVR-LAX back to 13 daily and UA back to 16 daily (17 on Saturdays)

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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 4:28 AM
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Westjet enhancements

Full details to be released tomorrow but looks like WS will commence a shuttle type service on YVR-YYC every hour on the hour from 0600 to 2000 and 2200 so 16 daily flights.
Also YOW going to twice daily, YLW to 7 daily, YXJ to twice daily. Plus the new daily MEX.

More flights to YYZ and YEG as well.

Reductions on YXY (cut), YXU (cut) and YHM.

Overall WS ops will be over 560 flights per week or about 80 per day of which about 58 will be mainline.

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Full details to be released tomorrow but looks like WS will commence a shuttle type service on YVR-YYC every hour on the hour from 0600 to 2000 and 2200 so 16 daily flights.
Also YOW going to twice daily, YLW to 7 daily, YXJ to twice daily. Plus the new daily MEX.

More flights to YYZ and YEG as well.

Reductions on YXY (cut), YXU (cut) and YHM.

Overall WS ops will be over 560 flights per week or about 80 per day of which about 58 will be mainline.
Interesting. The Shuttle Service between Toronto and Montreal is called Simplicity. Similar to AC RapidAir.

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/book-trip/business-travel/simplicity

I know AC a year or two back adopted a free standby for earlier flights on the YYC-YVR route. A RapidAir light type offering. I wonder if WestJet is doing the same or going all the way with a Simplicity branded service.
     
     
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Westjet enhancements Part 2

Here is Westjet’s press release about the upcoming summer schedules.

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1319

Westjet is adding 60 flights per week and will operate over 80 flights per day.

I had highlighted most of the increases in my last post.
     
     
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Good increases from West Jet

I wonder if we will ever see YVR MIA again

YVR intends to use up to 3 East Apron Remote Stands this summer.(yvr customer service)
     
     
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Good increases from West Jet

I wonder if we will ever see YVR MIA again

YVR intends to use up to 3 East Apron Remote Stands this summer.(yvr customer service)
So it went from "we don't need any remote stand this year" late last year, to "two remote stand for four flights" mid-Jan, to "up to 3 remote stands" now... What's changed...

The terminal map is updated on YVR website... Gates 56, 57, 62 added; gate 60 dropped; gate 59, 85 from last year remains.

Gates 55-59 seems rather crowded...
     
     
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As more North American airports post their full year 2017 stats it looks like YVR will move up the ladder for total intl pax as YVR passes through 12.4M international pax.

Having already passed IAH, YVR will finish at either 7th or 8th place as it leaps over ATL and will be oh so close to passing ORD in fact YVR may just pip ORD. Imagine YVR having more international passengers than ORD!?

1) JFK
2) YYZ
3) LAX
4) MIA
5) SFO
6) EWR
7) YVR or ORD
8) ORD or YVR
I'm waiting on the final numbers and I'll update the chart I had before for top 12 (had to make it a full dozen to include YUL). With their growth I may just be able to do a top 10 now.

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As soon as DL cut its YVR-LAX UA was quick to add a second daily this summer.

YVR-LAX back to 13 daily and UA back to 16 daily (17 on Saturdays)
14 Daily if you count Orange County

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Here is Westjet’s press release about the upcoming summer schedules.

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1319

Westjet is adding 60 flights per week and will operate over 80 flights per day.

I had highlighted most of the increases in my last post.
This is great, YYC with a ton of adds and YVR with nearly as many! Not a single boost to transborder though, which is strange considering how strong it has been.

If they really want to start flying 787s out of YVR they better build up a little more feed for those planes to be full!
     
     
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14 Daily if you count Orange County
I wonder if AC will ever consider flying to ONT or LGB. It's more convenient than LAX for alot of the folks in that area... after all, ONT just got their first TPAC flight this year


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This is great, YYC with a ton of adds and YVR with nearly as many! Not a single boost to transborder though, which is strange considering how strong it has been.

If they really want to start flying 787s out of YVR they better build up a little more feed for those planes to be full!
I'm not sure if WS even want to run their 787 to Asia now consider how many options YVR have and how cheap the fare is right now. Run them out of YYC they'll miss out millions of potential customers unless they can offer extremely low fare that worth the detour...
     
     
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I'm waiting on the final numbers and I'll update the chart I had before for top 12 (had to make it a full dozen to include YUL). With their growth I may just be able to do a top 10 now.

This is great, YYC with a ton of adds and YVR with nearly as many! Not a single boost to transborder though, which is strange considering how strong it has been.

If they really want to start flying 787s out of YVR they better build up a little more feed for those planes to be full!
Looking forward to your table(s).

Very little transborder additions from anywhere this round. Focus is really on domestic increases this summer.

787s won’t be flying until 2019 anyway so.....
     
     
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I'm not sure if WS even want to run their 787 to Asia now consider how many options YVR have and how cheap the fare is right now. Run them out of YYC they'll miss out millions of potential customers unless they can offer extremely low fare that worth the detour...
It would take quite the discount for me to want to go YVR-YYC-Asia considering how cheap the flights are at YVR at the moment. And if they did, why not just shore up the O&D demand and place the flights at YVR?
     
     
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Air Canada's 787 Dreamliner non-stop Vancouver-Delhi Flights Become Year-Round Beginning June 2018

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