YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

Anyway it seems so many people could choose direct to Vancouver or direct out of Vancouver options but they end up travelling via another Canadian city, usually with Air Canada. Is that pretty normal?

crankyflyer has a good explainer:

The first thing to keep in mind with something like this is that airlines don’t price based on costs. They price based on demand. When schedules are set at least a couple months in advance, predictions about revenues have been made and the hope is that the flight will be profitable, but airlines never know for sure. Once the schedule is set in stone, costs aren’t going to change, so it’s up to the revenue management team to simply maximize the amount of revenue that gets onboard that airplane.

One thing that we know without question is that a lot of people will pay more to fly nonstop, so even if a connecting itinerary may cost an airline more to fly, the airline doesn’t care about that. It only cares about getting as much revenue as it can on each flight, and that might mean pricing connecting itineraries less than nonstop.

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There is a segment of the population that will be willing to make a connection if it means cheaper flights. Those people might be considering flying a different airline like airline B or C or not traveling at all with the current nonstop fares being charged by airline A. So how can airline A find a way to keep those passengers without diluting the existing fares? It can route them over a connection. That means those who want to pay more for the nonstop will still pay more, but airline A can fill up empty seats with that connecting traffic from the truly price-sensitive traveler.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

And you are basing your findings on.......

What basis do you have to say Boeing has no interest in the E-jet?

Your so called "blue chip" company is in desperate need of engineers. Pure and simple.

Without them, Boeing is simply a bean-counting and financial engineering company.

https://leehamnews.com/2018/01/08/boeings-special-needs-next-decade-may-solved-embraer/

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Your so called "blue chip" company is in desperate need of engineers. Pure and simple.

Without them, Boeing is simply a bean-counting and financial engineering company.

https://leehamnews.com/2018/01/08/boeings-special-needs-next-decade-may-solved-embraer/

Don't know what the need for engineers has with Boeing not being a blue chip company. Any company expanding will require highly skilled labourers in order to continue growth.

Of course with purchasing an aerospace company like Embraer, the third largest in the world, you will receive engineers, which is an added benefit of purchasing the company.

[Johnny Aussie]

Let’s try and keep this page about YVR?

Another new fact of the day.

So how big is YVR-Europe becoming in relation to Western Canada? Not long ago YVR and YYC weren’t that far apart actually.
Summer 2018 market share to Europe - % and weekly seats:

YVR 67.2% 30,730
YYC 25.7% 11,749
YEG 6.1% 2,777
YWG 0.6% 262
YXY 0.5% 243

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Let’s try and keep this page about YVR?

Technically, Seattle isn't that far from YVR.

[zahav]

Speaking of close to YVR, honorable mention goes to BC's other regional airports. I'd say they are proportionally the biggest winners of Westjet and Air Canada's expansion. New flights to YYJ, YCD, YQQ, YKA, and YLW from across Canada (notably to YYZ and YUL this year, but also new pairings from YYC and YEG), and the articles are pretty glowing in their announcements, referring to what great destinations the Okanagan and Vancouver Island are, they emphasize that way more than any benefit from eastbound traffic. Translation, they know how massive tourism is to these places and that it far outweighs any connecting eastward benefit. Good for these cities in growing this way, we have a good group of smaller-mid size cities that are punching above their weight.

Ok now back to YVR lol

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by zahav

Speaking of close to YVR, honorable mention goes to BC's other regional airports. I'd say they are proportionally the biggest winners of Westjet and Air Canada's expansion. New flights to YYJ, YCD, YQQ, YKA, and YLW from across Canada (notably to YYZ and YUL this year, but also new pairings from YYC and YEG), and the articles are pretty glowing in their announcements, referring to what great destinations the Okanagan and Vancouver Island are, they emphasize that way more than any benefit from eastbound traffic. Translation, they know how massive tourism is to these places and that it far outweighs any connecting eastward benefit. Good for these cities in growing this way, we have a good group of smaller-mid size cities that are punching above their weight.

Ok now back to YVR lol

AC is also increasing flights to YLW and YQQ next summer too. Plus the new YVR to YCD and YQQ routes on WS. All good for YVR and BC too.

[LeftCoaster]

Official December stats just came out this morning, growth is down a bit from Nov, and about bang on annual total for the year:

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...ecember-2/dec2017trafficupdate.pdf?la=en

Domestic up 5.0%
International up 11.9%

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Total pax count up 8.5% and over 156,455 compared to December 2016.

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Int'l breakdown by sector:

Transborder up 7.0%
Asia Pacific up 16.0%
Europe up 3.3% (scheduled up 6.2% but charter took a beating)
Misc Int'l up 31.0%

Closing out the year strong, but not quite as scorching as November's growth. Gotta be happy with breaking 2 million December PAX for the first time ever though.

Final year comes out at 8.5% growth, with 5.4% domestic growth domestic slowing down strong growth growth in international (13.2%) and transborder (9.7%).

Asia pacific continued to be the cornerstone of growth at a whopping 15.5% on the year. That's well over half a million more passengers than 2016 which shattered the record in 2015. Just amazing growth.

Total passengers for 2017: 24,166,122

[LeftCoaster]

Oh and in other good news cargo hit an all time high of 313,437 tonnes, smashing the previous record by 11.5%.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Official December stats just came out this morning, growth is down a bit from Nov, and about bang on annual total for the year:

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...ecember-2/dec2017trafficupdate.pdf?la=en

Domestic up 5.0%
International up 11.9%

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Total pax count up 8.5% and over 156,455 compared to December 2016.

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Int'l breakdown by sector:

Transborder up 7.0%
Asia Pacific up 16.0%
Europe up 3.3% (scheduled up 6.2% but charter took a beating)
Misc Int'l up 31.0%

Closing out the year strong, but not quite as scorching as November's growth. Gotta be happy with breaking 2 million December PAX for the first time ever though.

Final year comes out at 8.5% growth, with 5.4% domestic growth domestic slowing down strong growth growth in international (13.2%) and transborder (9.7%).

Asia pacific continued to be the cornerstone of growth at a whopping 15.5% on the year. That's well over half a million more passengers than 2016 which shattered the record in 2015. Just amazing growth.

Total passengers for 2017: 24,166,122

Was wondering when they were going to finally release that.

Where to even start.... overall every stat is up. Europe charters were a blip in December because the once weekly LGW is being discontinued for the winter.

Looking at the annual figures just blows my mind.

Annual domestic exceeded YYC for the first time in.... no idea when but it’s been years. Over 300,000 more. Last year YYC squeaked ahead by about 18,000.

The gap in total international with YUL grew to over 1.18 million. Last year the gap was under 1,000,000. And the total pax gap with YUL has grown to over 6,000,000.

So YVR #2 for overall, domestic and international. Total growth in pax numbers will easily be #2 with an overall increase over 1.88M. YYZ will easily win the total pax increase.

For those interested, SEA has also released 2017 stats.... only up a surprisingly low 2.6% to just over 46.93 million.
YVR is now over 50% of SEA.
You can break down total international by looking at a few of their detailed stats reports.

Breakdown of total international 5,129,844 at SEA:
Canada 1,487,539
Mexico 345,464
Asia 1,979,733
Europe 1,317,108

Another fascinating observation is Delta was down to both Europe and Asia based on YOY comparatives. Not sure what that means but their hub doesn't seem to growing internationally.

[SpongeG]

thanks for the answers all.

My mom is going to perth in july via hong kong, i might tag along, fingers crossed.

[thenoflyzone]

CZ seems to be having trouble filling it's planes from MEX to CAN. They don't have local traffic rights from MEX to YVR, which doesn't help.

According to someone on a.net, they average 39 passengers on each flight.

Hardly surprising, as O&D from MEX to CAN is 3 PDEW.

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1385509

Reply 19.

For example, China Southern's CAN-YVR-MEX is a disaster in terms of profitability! Since the route started in early 2017, CZ has only flown 8,877 passengers from Mexico City to Guangzhou on the 226 flights performed in 2017. That is a paltry 39 passengers that fly from MEX to YVR to continue on to CAN! Obviously, this is a poor performer, but China Southern doesn't seem worried just yet.

Haven't checked his math, but the 226 flights he speaks of is probably to/from MEX. So that's an average of 39 passengers to/from MEX, and not just from MEX to CAN.

Either way, yet another politically driven route, much like CA's YUL-HAV.

[teriyaki]

Wow, meaning some flights are going out more full and some even emptier than the average! Imagine having a 787 almost entirely to yourself.

[trofirhen]

SEA 5m and something foreign (incl transborder pax) : YVR 12m (+/-) foreign pax (incl transborder too of course) ......
Am I right? Somebody tell me please. Or have I got it all wrong?

[Johnny Aussie]

Total international for YVR and SEA for 2017 (rounded to nearest ‘000):

YVR 12,430,000
SEA 5,130,000

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...ecember-2/dec2017trafficupdate.pdf?la=en

https://www.portseattle.org/About/Publications/Statistics/Airport-Statistics/Pages/default.aspx

[Hot Rod]

almost 2.5 times SEA.

[Hot Rod]

not sure if this were posted, but:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/bre...the-hub-AME&utm_content=the-hub-20180126

[Hot Rod]

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/bre...wins-world-routes-2017-marketing-awards/

... Vancouver is North America’s fastest-growing international airport

[zahav]

I always wondered how that CZ leg to MEX was doing, I assumed there wasn't a ton of demand between the two. I'm sure the YVR-CAN leg fills the plane up nicely though, so loads on the YVR-CAN route would still be good, just the MEX sector is junk.

AC looks like it's still tweaking some schedules. YVR-SFO has a weird Jazz flight added just 1/2 hour before the mainline one? I wonder if they are actually doing that, or if one is going to disappear?

Another change as part of the AC summer sched (that was a long time coming) is YQR is finally changing to CR-900, it was DH4. Thankfully, I head the DH4 wasn't great for that length of a trip. Seat-wise it's a wash (3 more pax a day lol), but just nice to see. Some of the Seattle flights are also changing to CR-900 from the DH4. As are some YYJ flights.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/bre...wins-world-routes-2017-marketing-awards/

... Vancouver is North America’s fastest-growing international airport

With international growth of 11.5% in 2017 not surprised.

Originally Posted by zahav

AC looks like it's still tweaking some schedules. YVR-SFO has a weird Jazz flight added just 1/2 hour before the mainline one? I wonder if they are actually doing that, or if one is going to disappear?

Another change as part of the AC summer sched (that was a long time coming) is YQR is finally changing to CR-900, it was DH4. Thankfully, I head the DH4 wasn't great for that length of a trip. Seat-wise it's a wash (3 more pax a day lol), but just nice to see. Some of the Seattle flights are also changing to CR-900 from the DH4. As are some YYJ flights.

Remember I mentioned AC was basing more CRAs and DH4s in YVR. This summer AC will fly 19 daily transborder CRAs as part of AC's extensive transborder network. YYJ and YLW become all DH4 operations as well.

And yes, one of the 4 daily SFO flights will be on a CRA. It will rotate through with the new daily YEG-SFO and the two daily YYC-SFO flights.