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DowntownBooster · #**3001** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 1:05 AM**

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I can't wait until TNS is complete. Those are some beautiful pics.

I agree. It's going to be a great addition to downtown when It's complete.

The Jabroni · #**3002** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 2:25 AM**

Y'all be slacking. Seems I'm the only one doing this now.

bomberjet · #**3003** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 1:27 PM**

Thanks for all the photos everyone. And keeping the cam on the current page!

Am I missing something. Looks like they elevator core for the residential tower has a slab poured right across it. How's the elevators going to get through?

Jets4Life · #**3004** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 2:07 PM**

To think back just 15 years ago, the picture of that exact spot would be depressing.

-City Place was losing business and had a high vacancy rate
-The Eatons Building was sitting vacant'
-CTV building was a parking lot
-True North Square was a big parking lot
-The pub was just another abandoned building

Biff · #**3005** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 2:21 PM**

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Am I missing something. Looks like they elevator core for the residential tower has a slab poured right across it. How's the elevators going to get through?

Could they be running 2 different elevator cores? I believe they have completed the office portion on tower 2 and the rest is now residential. I don't have a ton of experience with elevators but I have to say I don't think I have seen elevator cores stacked one on top of another.

I will see if I can make some inquiries.

bomberjet · #**3006** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 4:13 PM**

^ Ah, yes. Maybe the floor layout will change now for the residential. For the office portion I'll bet the washrooms, etc are within that central core area. Maybe residential will have suites there and the elevators are actually off to the side somewhere. Would better explain our questions yesterday on how many suites per floor.

robertocarlos · #**3007** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 4:43 PM**

But the pipes from above have to pass through the office floors so why not have facilities spread out. If not then the pipes have to take 90 degree turns and that's never good.

bomberjet · #**3008** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 5:24 PM**

^Seems logical. I really have no clue, just something I noticed.

I also noticed they are framing in the 3rd floor along the church will metal studs and yellow sheet insulation. I can only imagine that is some type of temporary wall. Seems rather cheap to be permanent.

buzzg · #**3009** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 6:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Thanks for all the photos everyone. And keeping the cam on the current page!

Am I missing something. Looks like they elevator core for the residential tower has a slab poured right across it. How's the elevators going to get through?

I'd bet that void immediately west of the main elevator core will be the residential ones. Generally mixed-use buildings of this scale have separate residential access to stop people sneaking into the condos. Probably enter on the main floor and it skips all the commercial floors.

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

^Seems logical. I really have no clue, just something I noticed.

I also noticed they are framing in the 3rd floor along the church will metal studs and yellow sheet insulation. I can only imagine that is some type of temporary wall. Seems rather cheap to be permanent.

Likely because they know a new building is going to rise there not long after

I actually found a little easter egg in the TNS reveal video, went back an watched it. It actually outlines "Site A" (TNS), "Site B" (Sutton), and "St. Mary's Cathedral Site" ... so they likely knew all along about the plans for the church, and probably are even heavily involved in the planning.

Wouldn't surprise me if that grass ramp area coming down south from Tower 1' skywalk level is either temporary until a the church development happens, or a placeholder in renders as the church building is happening, but its not theirs to announce.

CoryB · #**3010** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 7:36 PM**

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so they likely knew all along about the plans for the church, and probably are even heavily involved in the planning.

There have been rumors/hints/speculation that the Chipman family, in some way, is a major donor helping the church project happen. Makes sense as one of my personal beliefs is you can't control what happens on your neighbour's property. That said if you give them a pile on money and ask them nicely to build something that fits your plans it can go a long way. It also effectively cuts off the church selling the property to a competing developer later on.

Jets4Life · #**3011** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 7:44 PM**

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There have been rumors/hints/speculation that the Chipman family, in some way, is a major donor helping the church project happen. Makes sense as one of my personal beliefs is you can't control what happens on your neighbour's property. That said if you give them a pile on money and ask them nicely to build something that fits your plans it can go a long way. It also effectively cuts off the church selling the property to a competing developer later on.

With David Thomson at the helm, True North should just but the entire downtown. Starting with 245 Graham Avenue.

buzzg · #**3012** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 8:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

There have been rumors/hints/speculation that the Chipman family, in some way, is a major donor helping the church project happen. Makes sense as one of my personal beliefs is you can't control what happens on your neighbour's property. That said if you give them a pile on money and ask them nicely to build something that fits your plans it can go a long way. It also effectively cuts off the church selling the property to a competing developer later on.

Yeah, and hey - if it means getting rid of that surface lot, hideous garages, and the useless grass area (it's not even a park), then that's awesome.

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With David Thomson at the helm, True North should just but the entire downtown. Starting with 245 Graham Avenue.

Seriously. I've never understood the people that feel TN is taking over downtown and how bad that is and complain why "we bend over for them" etc. Hell, if they want to take on redeveloping all of downtown, and it takes a relatively small amount of public funds to help it - all the power to them. Don't really see anyone else stepping up to the plate, especially around there.

Sure they'll own half the SHED, but it's not like there were other developers clamouring for the Eaton's block, Centrepoint, Powerhouse (CTV), or TNS locations. Plenty of lots to go around. Chipmans/TN have been the single biggest investor in downtown in the last 15 years.

Jets4Life · #**3013** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 8:25 PM**

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Yeah, and hey - if it means getting rid of that surface lot, hideous garages, and the useless grass area (it's not even a park), then that's awesome.

Seriously. I've never understood the people that feel TN is taking over downtown and how bad that is and complain why "we bend over for them" etc. Hell, if they want to take on redeveloping all of downtown, and it takes a relatively small amount of public funds to help it - all the power to them. Don't really see anyone else stepping up to the plate, especially around there.

Sure they'll own half the SHED, but it's not like there were other developers clamouring for the Eaton's block, Centrepoint, Powerhouse (CTV), or TNS locations. Plenty of lots to go around. Chipmans/TN have been the single biggest investor in downtown in the last 15 years.

Well it is one of the reasons Thomson partnered with Chipman to bring the Jets back- real estate. You don't become the richest man in Canada, by not knowing what you are doing.

Urban recluse · #**3014** Posted **Jul 19, 2017, 8:30 PM**

Yeah, between them and Artis...

cheswick · #**3015** Posted **Jul 20, 2017, 2:28 AM**

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Well it is one of the reasons Thomson partnered with Chipman to bring the Jets back- real estate. You don't become the richest man in Canada, by not knowing what you are doing.

Inheriting the company from your father (the previously richest man in Canada) certainly has something to do with it.

buzzg · #**3016** Posted **Jul 20, 2017, 4:05 AM**

You complaining that one of the richest families in Canada has taken an active role in redeveloping downtown Winnipeg?

Biff · #**3017** Posted **Jul 20, 2017, 1:20 PM**

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Could they be running 2 different elevator cores? I believe they have completed the office portion on tower 2 and the rest is now residential. I don't have a ton of experience with elevators but I have to say I don't think I have seen elevator cores stacked one on top of another.

I will see if I can make some inquiries.

I confirmed yesterday that they are indeed stacking two separate elevator cores. That is the reason for the slab on the 4th floor across the core. The commercial portion of tower 2 is now complete. Residential from here on up.

BigG · #**3018** Posted **Jul 20, 2017, 1:42 PM**

Just curious, how would the elevators in the commercial portion be driven? Would it be from the bottom such as the ones found in malls? Or am I way off the mark?

Jets4Life · #**3019** Posted **Jul 20, 2017, 1:48 PM**

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Inheriting the company from your father (the previously richest man in Canada) certainly has something to do with it.

And Thomson has succeeded at increasing his wealth, since inheriting the majority of his fathers assets. The same cannot be said for the descendants of Timothy Eaton or Izzy Asper.

bomberjet · #**3020** Posted **Jul 20, 2017, 1:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

I confirmed yesterday that they are indeed stacking two separate elevator cores. That is the reason for the slab on the 4th floor across the core. The commercial portion of tower 2 is now complete. Residential from here on up.

Thanks Biff.