Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4

[airportvids]

Originally Posted by SLCLvr

Don't know why you think the decision had to do with the CCH. Seems completely tied to the Governor and Legislature supporting the dissolution of national monuments and the state's desire to take over federal lands in general.

Like I said, our leaders are useless. You can blame A or B or even both. But it still comes down to our leaders failing to keep them here and making up new dumb ass laws.
Not having a CCH by now doesn't help matters either.

[scottharding]

Originally Posted by asies1981

Population estimates came out today. Based on current projections, by 2020 Utah will have one city (Salt Lake) with a population over 200,000 and five cities with populations over 100,000 (west valley, west jordan, sandy, provo, and orem).

Nice article.

Seems like by 2020 St. George will also be right at the cusp of 100,000 too. And Ogden might be within 10,000 of triple digits as well.

I still think Salt Lake City should annex South Salt Lake.

[scottharding]

Originally Posted by San Diego-Honolulu

The Outdoor Retailer show is heading to Denver...

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44381102&nid=148&title=outdoor-retailer-takes-show-to-denver

So stupid. Meanwhile, BearsEars National Monument is going anywhere anytime soon. This whiny political reaction from Utah's backwards "leaders" will ultimately accomplish nothing except costing Salt Lake City businesses and workers $50 million+ a year.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by delts145

Great photo update Tony on the projects coming to fruition on the S-line.

Did anyone in the know ever answer that question of whether the Cascade's foundation was built to handle a taller tower if needed?

I'm guessing only someone that designed the project would know, I know I haven't heard anything about whether or not it was built to be taller, not even any rumors.

I do wonder how much more the foundation would have cost to build in order to accommodate 5-10 more floors. Can you imagine the design of the Cascade being 29 floors?

[Future Mayor]

In regards to the 650 South building. When this project originally popped up on the forum I reached out to the planning department regarding the excess number of parking that was being proposed for the total square footage, it is actually above allowable amounts by City Ordinance. The planner said that all items would be reviewed by the proper departments when the site plan is submitted. I am hoping that when they are told that they are unable to have that much parking that they will choose to funnel the money towards the Trax station. I don't think it's fair that they pay for the entire station but I think it would get a whole lot sooner if they offered to assist, maybe 25-50% of the costs.

[Makid]

The CCH was never for OR.

Without OR, the need is more pressing for the CCH than before. Without it, we won't get bigger conventions nor a big industry trade show.

OR would have stayed had the Governor rejected the bill calling for the monuments to be rescinded.

Also, OR would have been roughly $90 Million a year from the $45 Million they were at.

Lastly, the location of the summer show hasn't been stated yet so it isn't certain that Denver will get that one. The Summer show is the one that needed another 300,000+ sq ft of exhibit space to have everything in a single location. They used the whole Salt Palace plus 1 and a half 200,000 sq ft tents.

I think Summer is going to head to Las Vegas or Orlando. I would be shocked if they picked another location though.

[(Eco)nomy_404]

Originally Posted by asies1981

Population estimates came out today. Based on current projections, by 2020 Utah will have one city (Salt Lake) with a population over 200,000 and five cities with populations over 100,000 (west valley, west jordan, sandy, provo, and orem).

Based on current trends (2010-2016), SLC will be at apx. 198,500 by 2020. If you remove 2014 from the average, which was a huge negative outlier compared to the other 5 years, you're looking at 199,300 with that rate maintained over the next 4 years.

Refer to my following post for the most up-to-date info for SLC, the CSA, and the state as a whole. For those of you demographics nerds, the city data is hot off the presses today! Nothing too stellar for SLC, which matched last year's 0.56% gain, pushing the city up to 193,744. Slowly but surely 200k approaches...

[(Eco)nomy_404]

Basically, 2016 was a banner year for the CSA (+1.91%) and the state as a whole (+1.85%), while lukewarm at best for SLC proper (+0.56%).

Salt Lake City

2010: 186,564 (Base Year)
2011: 188,206 (+1,642; +0.88%)
2012: 189,532 (+1,326; +0.71%)
2013: 191,326 (+1,794; +0.95%)
2014: 191,604 (+278; +0.15%)
2015: 192,672 (+1,068; +0.56%)
2016: 193,744 (+1,072; +0.56%)
Total increase: +7,180; 3.85%

SLC-Ogden-Provo CSA

2010: 2,281,920 (Base Year)
2011: 2,316,777 (+34,857; +1.53%)
2012: 2,351,176 (+34,399; +1.49%)
2013: 2,392,178 (+41,002; +1.74%)
2014: 2,425,719 (+33,541; +1.40%)
2015: 2,467,709 (+41,990; +1.73%)
2016: 2,514,748 (+47,039; +1.91%)
Total increase: +232,828; 10.20%

Utah

2010: 2,763,885 (Base Year)
2011: 2,816,124 (+52,239; +1.89%)
2012: 2,855,782 (+39,658; +1.41%)
2013: 2,902,663 (+46,881; +1.64%)
2014: 2,941,836 (+39,173; +1.35%)
2015: 2,990,632 (+48,796; +1.66%)
2016: 3,051,217 (+55,298; +1.85%)
Total increase: +282,045; 10.20%

[Marvland]

I am pissed off at the governor and our laughislature for fifty thousand reasons including the OR/Bears Ears debacle. Im also pisssed at the OR folks hurting their most ardent, liberal advocates the most: the food and beverage and hospitality industry. An enterprising group of souls should organize another trade show and focus on cottage brands, high tech outdoor applications and less of the hypocritical Vietnam sweatshop garbage that REI, TNF and Patagonia shovels out. A little birdie told me that the hundreds of Utah based exhibitors are pissed off too and that some things are in the works. We shall see.

Denver, being really a plains city, is a surprising choice. Despite all the hype, it is the least outdoor friendly major city in the West other than LA. On a 20 inch powder day, I'll be sitting on the Eagle Express chair at Soli with a beer in my hand three hours before those jack wads even get a sniff of the mountain air. And dont be fooled, they will all still come to Utah and poop in our canyons, pee in our rivers and give us their money anyway. Screwem. We don't need them any more than we need those retarded grandstanders on Capitol Hill. We lost the show so we need to get another one and we need to build the CCH yesterday.

[Hatman]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

In regards to the 650 South building. When this project originally popped up on the forum I reached out to the planning department regarding the excess number of parking that was being proposed for the total square footage, it is actually above allowable amounts by City Ordinance. The planner said that all items would be reviewed by the proper departments when the site plan is submitted. I am hoping that when they are told that they are unable to have that much parking that they will choose to funnel the money towards the Trax station. I don't think it's fair that they pay for the entire station but I think it would get a whole lot sooner if they offered to assist, maybe 25-50% of the costs.

[airhero]

Not sure why some of you always feel the need to rip on Denver. It's a great city and is not as far from the mountains as some of you make it out to be. Apart from Salt Lake, there is no city with nearly as many hiking and skiing options close to the city core. As far as ski resorts near Denver, there is no city in the US with good skiing closer to it's city center, other than Salt Lake.

So I agree that from an outdoors standpoint Salt Lake is clearly the best fit for OR and that some of the big retailers that forced OR out of Salt Lake put politics before reason (like our state leaders). But let's face it, OR is going to like Denver. There's plenty of opportunity to get out without having to deal with the crazy politics that come with Utah.

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by airhero

Not sure why some of you always feel the need to rip on Denver.

Hmm. Makes one wonder. Especially this week.

[TonyAnderson]

Originally Posted by (Eco)nomy_404

Based on current trends (2010-2016), SLC will be at apx. 198,500 by 2020. If you remove 2014 from the average, which was a huge negative outlier compared to the other 5 years, you're looking at 199,300 with that rate maintained over the next 4 years.

Refer to my following post for the most up-to-date info for SLC, the CSA, and the state as a whole. For those of you demographics nerds, the city data is hot off the presses today! Nothing too stellar for SLC, which matched last year's 0.56% gain, pushing the city up to 193,744. Slowly but surely 200k approaches...

Your numbers are a bit off. SLC added 2,300 for this last year. BUT ...they retroactively lowered the estimates for SLC for other years this decade, specifically between 2013 and 2014. So the overall gain was only 1,000 or so from the numbers we had last year (which have changed). Clear as mud.

Those are just estimates and last decade we were overestimated in every metro by a bit. With that said, SLC adding 2,300 between July 2015 and July 2016 is pretty huge, because the majority of the residential we're seeing has been happening AFTER that. I'm really intrigued where it'll land by the end of the decade because there's nearly 5k units under construction right now. And every time a project wraps up it seems another project or two starts.

[Tymtw12]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

In regards to the 650 South building. When this project originally popped up on the forum I reached out to the planning department regarding the excess number of parking that was being proposed for the total square footage, it is actually above allowable amounts by City Ordinance. The planner said that all items would be reviewed by the proper departments when the site plan is submitted. I am hoping that when they are told that they are unable to have that much parking that they will choose to funnel the money towards the Trax station. I don't think it's fair that they pay for the entire station but I think it would get a whole lot sooner if they offered to assist, maybe 25-50% of the costs.

They have promised 3 stalls per 1,000 SF of structured parking. They have also stated that they just need to pay for the Trax station and it will get done. Plan for building completion mid-late 2019.

[JMK]

Jazz practice facility is getting renovations - Zions Bank Basketball Center

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44387055&nid=304...on-to-keep-players-happy-healthy-in-utah

a new and expanded Zions Bank Basketball Center that will double the size of the current space and give the Jazz what they hope is the best practice facility in basketball.

For players, the flow of the facility will be completely different. They'll enter in a new player entrance from a newly covered parking lot and immediately be greeted by a kitchen and nutrition station where the team chefs will have whatever healthy pre-practice fuel they need. After grabbing that, they'll enter the new locker room, where they'll get dressed for work. The team trainers and strength and conditioning personnel will be located between the locker room and the court, making sure that everyone is adequately prepared to go out on the floor.

But while making the process efficient for players on game and practice days was a priority, the Jazz also hope players will want to stick around the facility whenever possible. That's why they're creating a "living room" for the players, with a gaming area (a tip of the cap to free agent Gordon Hayward, though he's certainly not the only Jazz player who likes to game) and plenty of big furniture for players to relax. They're putting in a barber chair so the players can get trimmed whenever they want. There will be an outdoor recreational court so that players' kids can play outside while the grownups are working inside.

[(Eco)nomy_404]

Originally Posted by airhero

Not sure why some of you always feel the need to rip on Denver. It's a great city and is not as far from the mountains as some of you make it out to be. Apart from Salt Lake, there is no city with nearly as many hiking and skiing options close to the city core. As far as ski resorts near Denver, there is no city in the US with good skiing closer to it's city center, other than Salt Lake.

So I agree that from an outdoors standpoint Salt Lake is clearly the best fit for OR and that some of the big retailers that forced OR out of Salt Lake put politics before reason (like our state leaders). But let's face it, OR is going to like Denver. There's plenty of opportunity to get out without having to deal with the crazy politics that come with Utah.

I do agree with you that it's not particularly fair to rip on other cities, but I do also think Denver is a bit overhyped from an outdoor recreational standpoint. There are actually several cities with ski resorts clustered closer than Denver: Reno-Tahoe-Carson City CSA has a good half dozen within an hour, the Spokane-Coeur d'Alene-WA-ID CSA has several just a comfortable 30-90 min away. Portland and Seattle have resorts within an hour or two.

I think people like to put Denver on a pedestal because it's basically a Midwestern city that happens to be relatively close to mountainous areas for outdoor recreation, so there's that contrast of living on the plains with easy access to the mountains. It's certainly not what some people make it. I think it's mainly people from the East who like to ooh and ahh over Denver, where most westerners think "it's alright, but nothing you can't get in [insert other Western city name here]"

You may be right that CO has a friendlier outdoor political climate, but they've got their own political shitshow in other areas there. It's always a battle between the extremos from both ends of the spectrum. You've got the anti-tax conservatives who hold back routine services and road maintainance with the pro-drug-proliferation liberals who don't care to expand DUI laws to the drugs they push to legalize. It was a nice place to live, but I'd be lying if I said it was paradise.

[Stenar]

I was just thinking the same thing, that someone ought to create a homegrown outdoor trade show.

Originally Posted by Marvland

... An enterprising group of souls should organize another trade show and focus on cottage brands, high tech outdoor applications and less of the hypocritical Vietnam sweatshop garbage that REI, TNF and Patagonia shovels out. A little birdie told me that the hundreds of Utah based exhibitors are pissed off too and that some things are in the works. We shall see.

Denver, being really a plains city, is a surprising choice. Despite all the hype, it is the least outdoor friendly major city in the West other than LA. On a 20 inch powder day, I'll be sitting on the Eagle Express chair at Soli with a beer in my hand three hours before those jack wads even get a sniff of the mountain air. And dont be fooled, they will all still come to Utah and poop in our canyons, pee in our rivers and give us their money anyway. Screwem. We don't need them any more than we need those retarded grandstanders on Capitol Hill. We lost the show so we need to get another one and we need to build the CCH yesterday.

[Utah_Dave]

Denver has done a better job branding itself over the years and without much effort from what I can tell. When I'm back east it seams Utah and Salt Lake City are kind of new arrivals to the national scene in terms what people know about this state. I've had many people say they thought Utah was relatively flat with few mountains and they were surprised Utah received the Winter Olympics just before 2002. These were people from New York so they don't think much of Utah anyway . But they have a pretty good idea about Denver. The beer commercials over the last 3-4 decades are basically free advertising for the state of Colorado. There needs to be a focus not only on our national parks advertising and tourism promotions for the big five national parks, but also of our easy access to mountain living and recreation and budding metropolitan feel. Utah has some pretty big hurdles to over come in terms of the national cool factor but I tell you this, many areas of the East are dead and we have so much more opportunity economically here. We just need to improve our branding and I think it will go along way just like the big 5 tourism push did. Utah is more well known but the stigma still remains I do think we are moving in the right direction for the most part though. But not because there is a coherent message that I've seen. One more thing that really irritates me was Governor Herbert negotiating style and effort with the OR. From the recordings of the negotiations/demands of the OR, I didn't get a sense he cared much and he pretty much gave up from what I was hearing. I'm sure there is more too it but it wasn't a good effort from what I could tell. Time to learn a lesson.

[airportvids]

Originally Posted by Utah_Dave

Denver has done a better job branding itself over the years and without much effort from what I can tell. When I'm back east it seams Utah and Salt Lake City are kind of new arrivals to the national scene in terms what people know about this state. I've had many people say they thought Utah was relatively flat with few mountains and they were surprised Utah received the Winter Olympics just before 2002. These were people from New York so they don't think much of Utah anyway . But they have a pretty good idea about Denver. The beer commercials over the last 3-4 decades are basically free advertising for the state of Colorado. There needs to be a focus not only on our national parks advertising and tourism promotions for the big five national parks, but also of our easy access to mountain living and recreation and budding metropolitan feel. Utah has some pretty big hurdles to over come in terms of the national cool factor but I tell you this, many areas of the East are dead and we have so much more opportunity economically here. We just need to improve our branding and I think it will go along way just like the big 5 tourism push did. Utah is more well known but the stigma still remains I do think we are moving in the right direction for the most part though. But not because there is a coherent message that I've seen. One more thing that really irritates me was Governor Herbert negotiating style and effort with the OR. From the recordings of the negotiations/demands of the OR, I didn't get a sense he cared much and he pretty much gave up from what I was hearing. I'm sure there is more too it but it wasn't a good effort from what I could tell. Time to learn a lesson.

The sad reality is that we just can't compete with Denver. They have basically everything while we are just one NBA team away from being Boise.

[UrbanDesign]

Originally Posted by Utah_Dave

There needs to be a focus not only on our national parks advertising and tourism promotions for the big five national parks, but also of our easy access to mountain living and recreation and budding metropolitan feel.

With the success of the "Mighty 5" advertisements throughout the country, they are continuing that momentum towards our world class skiing. The same marketing company that did the Mighty 5 campaign is currently working on a similar marketing scheme for our ski resorts. Not sure if it will be released for this winter, but I really hope so!