Winnipeg Construction IX - Page 138

esquire · #**2741** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tacheguy

I don't know if it is true or not but have been told downtown Winnipeg is about half the size of Manhatten. but we all get the point.

Downtown Winnipeg nestles nicely into Lower Manhattan

esquire · #**2742** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Yes, no doubt part of the problem, BUT, as we have discussed in the past, there is not one intersection that is the "perfect intersection", or one block with both sides brimming.

Portage and Memorial
Portage and Vaughan
Portage and Donald
McDermot and Albert
Graham and Edmonton

All pretty solid intersections with plenty of pedestrian activity...

bryanscott · #**2743** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1ajs

instead of complaining what can you do to boost the economy for wpg and manitoba? what can we all do to build our city to a new lvl its slowly happening. inovation ally is part of this.

Does this qualify as Innovation Alley? Just curious.

Adelaide Station by Bryan Scott, on Flickr

BigG · #**2744** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:27 PM**

^Uughh!

Urban recluse · #**2745** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Portage and Memorial
Portage and Vaughan
Portage and Donald
McDermot and Albert
Graham and Edmonton

All pretty solid intersections with plenty of pedestrian activity...

For you perhaps...

Urban recluse · #**2746** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by bryanscott

Does this qualify as Innovation Alley? Just curious.

Adelaide Station by Bryan Scott, on Flickr

Absolutely stunning.

esquire · #**2747** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

For you perhaps...

Well... they have storefront businesses, they have a lot of pedestrians... so now the issue is that they aren't good enough, which is a different matter entirely IMO.

Urban recluse · #**2748** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Well... they have storefront businesses, they have a lot of pedestrians... so now the issue is that they aren't good enough, which is a different matter entirely IMO.

Portage & Memorial: Other than Stella's...?
Portage & Vaughan: Tim Horton's
Portage & Donald: getting warmer.

The point is that none of them resemble downtown Halifax: you walk around and pass a freakin lot of pubs, and lot more retail on narrow streets.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.6493579,-...oI6wAGDaz0s9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.6502742,-...OYdFS58azax1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Downtow...e!8m2!3d44.6457922!4d-63.5778191!6m1!1e1
https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.6450164,-...bzaOMEQ2B3Dpw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

esquire · #**2749** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:55 PM**

^ They are there, just not all laid out in a row like in Halifax. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see some continuous strips, but there's a difference between not having strips and not having the various shops and amenities in the first place.

PS - Don't tell me you've forgotten about The Bay's existence

Andy6 · #**2750** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 5:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by bryanscott

Does this qualify as Innovation Alley? Just curious.

Adelaide Station by Bryan Scott, on Flickr

When's the next train due?

Urban recluse · #**2751** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 6:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ They are there, just not all laid out in a row like in Halifax. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see some continuous strips, but there's a difference between not having strips and not having the various shops and amenities in the first place.

PS - Don't tell me you've forgotten about The Bay's existence

Sporadic indeed, but I think overall, there truly is not enough based on the downtown population.

jmt18325 · #**2752** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 6:32 PM**

The direction has been for things to be getting better. It's hard to complain when things are getting better.

Tacheguy · #**2753** Posted **Apr 11, 2017, 6:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

The direction has been for things to be getting better. It's hard to complain when things are getting better.

its kinda like being a Jets fan..just enough improvement to keep you optimistic for the next year (decade?)

Bdog · #**2754** Posted **Apr 12, 2017, 1:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

True, and there has been a lot of poor planning (ie: if the U of M had not only stayed downtown but expanded, etc).

An alternate universe where U of M stayed and expanded downtown would be very interesting to observe. While it's mentioned often, I think there may be some downsides that we never think of:

- Due to it's sheer size, there may have been pressures to tear down a lot of the old buildings in the area
- U of M's building boom may have taken place during a time when a sprawling campus was seen as the way of the future, further reducing density downtown
- An extra 30,000 people downtown everyday may have created a push for more parking, further taking out existing development
- Further to that last point, the extra congestion in terms of traffic (60s era, of course) may have been a trigger to build more of the freeway network into downtown

I've always thought that a U of M in either Riverview or Norwood Flats would be an interesting scenario.

Urban recluse · #**2755** Posted **Apr 12, 2017, 1:47 AM**

I don't think anything negative would have come from its continued existence. If anything, west of Osborne may have been razed to allow for the construction of additional buildings, and that would be acceptable in my opinion.

biguc · #**2756** Posted **Apr 12, 2017, 1:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bdog

An alternate universe where U of M stayed and expanded downtown would be very interesting to observe. While it's mentioned often, I think there may be some downsides that we never think of:

- Due to it's sheer size, there may have been pressures to tear down a lot of the old buildings in the area
- U of M's building boom may have taken place during a time when a sprawling campus was seen as the way of the future, further reducing density downtown
- An extra 30,000 people downtown everyday may have created a push for more parking, further taking out existing development
- Further to that last point, the extra congestion in terms of traffic (60s era, of course) may have been a trigger to build more of the freeway network into downtown

I've always thought that a U of M in either Riverview or Norwood Flats would be an interesting scenario.

Good points. It may have ended up turning vast swathes of the West End into a parking lot. Then again, students do tend to use transit, and a downtown location would only make that easier. The University also wouldn't have had the dubious benefit of owning a vast swathe of vacant land to do with as it pleased, so its horizontal expansion would have likely been more constrained.

And who knows, while it may have been the trigger to build downtown freeways, it may also have been the trigger to build the Wilson Subway system.

One alternate location I like is their second location: The current Asper campus. That would have made for a pretty nice University location, between the edge of the city proper and Assiniboine Park.

Urban recluse · #**2757** Posted **Apr 12, 2017, 2:16 AM**

The other consideration is the proximity to the U of W. Would both have existed so close to each other?

lilwayne · #**2758** Posted **Apr 12, 2017, 2:36 AM**

Lots of negativity here

Downtown has improved significantly in last 10 years and once true north.. 300 main.. Sky city?... Wag expansion and these red river projects are complete it'll look even more revitalized.. I think ppl are underestimating the effect that these major projects are going make in overall perception of dt these are game changers

Urban recluse · #**2759** Posted **Apr 12, 2017, 2:37 AM**

SkyCity? LOL. The WAG expansion is great, but will not result in anything else.

If the Bay building was being redeveloped, then I would be pleased.

Tacheguy · #**2760** Posted **Apr 12, 2017, 2:53 AM**

the U of M was basically an agriculture faculty historically, with other stuff attached. there is a reason it is in the sticks. that is not to say certain faculties couldn't be downtown.