Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4 - Page 430

delts145 · #**8581** Posted **Jan 28, 2017, 2:58 PM**

That's Hilarious...Is that your art work Sean?

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Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

airhero · #**8582** Posted **Jan 28, 2017, 3:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

Regarding whether the CCC underground parking being overbuilt? How many stalls will the Cascade account for when it goes up? Doesn't the Promontory and the other two properties on Richards and S. Temple have quite a few units yet to account for before they're full? I'm sure we're talking at least a few hundred upcoming stalls needed in the near future. Does anyone really know at this point how many underground stalls they're going to be able to get out of that mess of a configuration across the street on 1st S.?

Any developments across the street will likely have a large parking garage of their own. There's more than enough room for it. I believe someone with "insider knowledge" said the potential CCH developers were coordinating with Zions to get the garage built. Even if the CCH doesn't happen in the near future, Zions will want to build one whenever their building goes up.

It is, however, true what Makid says that the CCC parking fills up when there is peak traffic on Temple Square or at the convention center. But I think that's beside the point for people complaining about the amount of parking. They seem to want so little parking people are forced to ride transit or pay 20 dollars an hour to park or search for street parking, like in most bigger cities.

airhero · #**8583** Posted **Jan 28, 2017, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

That's Hilarious...Is that your art work Sean?

Haha I was thinking the same thing. He did it himself.

Orlando · #**8584** Posted **Jan 28, 2017, 5:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Marvland

Seeing as we still don't know how many (if any) stalls are surface or underground, we don't know the actual size, square footage or formal scope of the development, the comment "Seattle would have 1/4 or less than the total provided here" is pure speculation.

Not really. I do work in downtown Seattle you know. I've been involved on one highrise here, and also did a recent feasibility study for a project that had no min. parking requirements because it was a block a way from a light rail line. It only had max. parking requirements. 1800 stalls and all above grade is ridiculous for an urban office building of that size. From the rendering, you can see that there is an above-grade parking garage at mid-block.

ThePusherMan · #**8585** Posted **Jan 28, 2017, 11:57 PM**

What are the chances of this thing actually getting built? I think it is an awesome development. Restaurants and a dog park/public space are some much needed amenities for that side of town. As Granary continues to develop we will need more public space near by that isn't concrete!

Ironweed · #**8586** Posted **Jan 29, 2017, 12:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by airhero

But I think that's beside the point for people complaining about the amount of parking. They seem to want so little parking people are forced to ride transit or pay 20 dollars an hour to park or search for street parking, like in most bigger cities.

Are you serious??

Do some of us want people to use more mass transit? Darn right!!

Who do you represent? One of the Also-ran local autodealers, oil companies, or Pollution-R-Us?

Your moniker is deceiving, you do not sound like a hero for the air.

Marvland · #**8587** Posted **Jan 29, 2017, 1:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by Ironweed

Are you serious??

Do some of us want people to use more mass transit? Darn right!!

Who do you represent? One of the Also-ran local autodealers, oil companies, or Pollution-R-Us?

Your moniker is deceiving, you do not sound like a hero for the air.

And your Subaru runs on angel farts.

airhero · #**8588** Posted **Jan 29, 2017, 2:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by ThePusherMan

What are the chances of this thing actually getting built? I think it is an awesome development. Restaurants and a dog park/public space are some much needed amenities for that side of town.

Considering they're submitting design review documents to the city and they're a seasoned developer, it looks like chances are pretty good.

AllOutOfBubbleGum · #**8589** Posted **Jan 29, 2017, 5:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by Marvland

And your Subaru runs on angel farts.

That still smells like hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides and carbon monoxide. I'm so disappointed

Orlando · #**8590** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 4:05 AM**

A while back, there was some discussion about the new Mayor freezing funding for projects in the pipeline or something about that. Anyone recall? I have not heard any word if Station Center is moving forward. Has anyone? I have heard that the Fleet Block RFP has been stalled indefinitely. Has anyone heard if the NW Natural Pipeline project is moving forward? Are these all stalled now?

Future Mayor · #**8591** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 4:26 PM**

Does this new project need some parking? Yes, but 1,800 stalls, as was pointed out that is the same number as the Wells Fargo Center garage. This development appears to have 5-6 above and a massive parking garage. SIX floor of office supported by 1,800 parking spaces. Wells Fargo has 1,800 spots for 26 floors. 1,800 stalls is a massive overbuild, unless as has been pointed out there is future plans for additional development on the block. Let's hope that is the case and lets hope that the future development includes a couple of 10-12 story buildings, otherwise it is WAY OVER BUILT.

I think the point of them reducing their parking numbers and putting that money into the completion of the Trax station is a fantastic idea. The quoted $50 per square foot is pretty accurate, national averages run between $50-70 psf. Let's take into account the Regent St Garage, this garage has 1,200 spaces, it supports some of the parking for the following, 111, former Deseret News Building, Nuemont University, and a 2,500 seat Eccles Theater. Again Wells Fargo garage at 1,800 supports a 26 story massive footprint skyscraper.

I'm in the same camp as Marvland, I'm happy that we are seeing a proposed development, but incentivizing cars and ignoring the transit out the back door is asinine, and actually not very fiscally responsible. They could easily increase the amount of leasable square footage by adding another floor or two or office space and reducing parking by 1/4.

Again it all comes back to this Wells Fargo 26 stories supported by 1,800 parking spaces. Patrinely 6 stories, supported by 1,800 parking spaces.

Future Mayor · #**8592** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Orlando

A while back, there was some discussion about the new Mayor freezing funding for projects in the pipeline or something about that. Anyone recall? I have not heard any word if Station Center is moving forward. Has anyone? I have heard that the Fleet Block RFP has been stalled indefinitely. Has anyone heard if the NW Natural Pipeline project is moving forward? Are these all stalled now?

The City Council, acting as the RDA, shuffled money from some project areas to support affordable housing. Is that what you are referring to?

SLCLvr · #**8593** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 7:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Again it all comes back to this Wells Fargo 26 stories supported by 1,800 parking spaces. Patrinely 6 stories, supported by 1,800 parking spaces.

Looks to me like the parking is to the right which would be 10 floors of office supported by the parking. Also, we don't know how the floor plates compare Wells Fargo to Patrinely, we don't know if the Americas are using some of the parking, and we don't know if other development could be sharing the parking, so I think we need more facts before we declare "too much parking".

Orlando · #**8594** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 8:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

The City Council, acting as the RDA, shuffled money from some project areas to support affordable housing. Is that what you are referring to?

Maybe. I remember there was some dispute between the mayor and the council. But, regardless, is Station Center or the Pipeline project moving forward at all? Does anybody know?

ajiuO · #**8595** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 10:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

Thank you Marvland!! Also, what of the remaining large undeveloped portion on the south side of the block? As with so many developments downtown, could it be that future build out will be sharing a portion of this parking structure?

Hatman, your posts are always among my favorites. LOL, I love the 92% pleased and 2% annoyed. I do hope that your points, especially regarding the TRAX station become reality in the near future.

Regarding whether the CCC underground parking being overbuilt? How many stalls will the Cascade account for when it goes up? Doesn't the Promontory and the other two properties on Richards and S. Temple have quite a few units yet to account for before they're full? I'm sure we're talking at least a few hundred upcoming stalls needed in the near future. Does anyone really know at this point how many underground stalls they're going to be able to get out of that mess of a configuration across the street on 1st S.? I mean, if they build it up to it's potential while also preserving Dinwoody and several other historic structures, use it for a CCH, build a new Zions tower, and go ahead with plans for a fully restored Utah Pantages with accompanying Condo tower? If there really is extra space at CCC, I'm sure it won't be long before they max it out with upcoming development plans on neighboring properties. IMO, to say that the underground parking at CCC is overbuilt is extremely short sighted.

I think CCC was over built on purpose. The LDS church fills up the parking lot across from the salt palace during confrance and a lot during the holidays. When they develop that block in the future they will need more parking. They were probably just thinking ahead.

bflatflat9 · #**8596** Posted **Jan 30, 2017, 11:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by SLCLvr

Looks to me like the parking is to the right which would be 10 floors of office supported by the parking. Also, we don't know how the floor plates compare Wells Fargo to Patrinely, we don't know if the Americas are using some of the parking, and we don't know if other development could be sharing the parking, so I think we need more facts before we declare "too much parking".

My daughter worked at the J.C. Penney building up until about two months ago, and she had a parking permit for the Wells Fargo garage. I don't know what other buildings might share the garage, but that one did (does).
With the cost of parking structures, and the parking needs of a 175kish sq.ft. building, I'm pretty sure that Patrinely will be sharing the cost with future developments, and/or The Grand America.

Stenar · #**8597** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 2:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by bflatflat9

My daughter worked at the J.C. Penney building up until about two months ago, and she had a parking permit for the Wells Fargo garage. I don't know what other buildings might share the garage, but that one did (does).
With the cost of parking structures, and the parking needs of a 175kish sq.ft. building, I'm pretty sure that Patrinely will be sharing the cost with future developments, and/or The Grand America.

They probably are sharing parking with Little/Grand. I was surprised the Grand sold that lot. That's where all of the staff for both hotels park. Maybe they are building the garage large enough for the hotel staff to continue parking there.

ImaJem · #**8598** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 4:14 AM**

Not sure if you guys know but this webinar is happening at 1-2pm EST tomorrow:
COMING SOON: NEW RESEARCH ON PARKING REQUIREMENTS AT TOD STATIONS

delts145 · #**8599** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 10:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

They probably are sharing parking with Little/Grand. I was surprised the Grand sold that lot. That's where all of the staff for both hotels park. Maybe they are building the garage large enough for the hotel staff to continue parking there.

Good to know Stenar. I'm curious, do you know around how many staff the two hotels employ? Must be quite a few at any given shift.

goldcntry · #**8600** Posted **Jan 31, 2017, 3:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by bflatflat9

My daughter worked at the J.C. Penney building up until about two months ago, and she had a parking permit for the Wells Fargo garage. I don't know what other buildings might share the garage, but that one did (does).

When I worked for the Department of Commerce my regular parking spot was in the Wells Fargo garage as there is no real parking at the State buildings there on Broadway.