YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[vanlaw]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

I have a parking at the airport question, i need to park for about 8 days, but i am confused which is the best option and cheapest... jetset? park N fly? should i book online ahead of time, it seems they give you a better price then just driving up

I just checked both for an 8 day trip I'm doing in January. With no discounts Park n Fly is around $94 for the 8 days, JetSet is $77. If you have BCAA, JetSet gives discount and is $66. Even at $77 its less than $10 per day, which isn't too bad. At that point its around the same as a taxi round trip from my place in East Van to the airport and back.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

Rumours on flyertalk: YVR - BKK and MNL coming soon on Air Canada.

Interesting ... The AC MNL route would no doubt be to serve YYZ better, which is logical. It seems a juicy route, and some planes already go to JFK.
BKK, I thought, would be Thai. Maybe AC is trying to head them off at the pass, or just grabbing a hunk of the action.
That said, the BIG SE Asian destination talked about casually, but not mentioned formally so far is Singapore. Maybe that one will be SQL itself, if it comes to pass .....
Maybe it comprises that big "ground-breaker" route everyone's guessing on, but who can say? Time alone. (and Johnny, of course)

[nname]

So far, none of the rumors from flyertalk had come true

-still waiting for the YVR-MAN on Rouge-

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

So far, none of the rumors from flyertalk had come true

-still waiting for the YVR-MAN on Rouge-

Isn't that the fun part of all these different forums... the speculation? "I heard that..." it helps if the speculation has at least some statistical basis for the discussions and not just wishful thinking or just random routes because of "x" or "y."

BKK at least is on the AC 2018 future network opportunities map and it does slowly seem to be piecing together route by route. Of course not all routes that have been launched or announced recently are on that map but a lot of them are...

...and did anyone notice the connection to BKK on that map was moved from YYZ to YVR on a later map??

There are still plenty of 789s coming online so there will be more "opportunities" down the road.

As for rouge... again who knows.... there still seems to be one frame unaccounted for next summer but maybe I'm wrong.

One thing for sure that is happening of course is AC beefing up its transborder network. The additions of ORD, DEN, DFW, SAN, PHX and SJC, although all substantial YVR markets, don't appear to be just targeting O&D.

In any event... and I've said this plenty of times... AC is not finished with YVR expansion yet. Certainly proven that statment lately

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As for rouge... again who knows.... there still seems to be one frame unaccounted for next summer but maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe it's now being used as a temporary replacement for that damaged A330, which would most likely miss the first half of next summer...

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Isn't that the fun part of all these different forums... the speculation? "I heard that..." it helps if the speculation has at least some statistical basis for the discussions and not just wishful thinking or just random routes because of "x" or "y."

I guess I can contribute something too

Read from a Chinese forum a while ago that CTU is in talk with AC for a 3x weekly CTU-YVR.. Not sure if it's inside source or speculation or just wishful thinking

[Orcair]

Originally Posted by nname

Maybe it's now being used as a temporary replacement for that damaged A330, which would most likely miss the first half of next summer...

I'm so pissed that the poor A330 fell and got that damaged. It's my favourite Air Canada plane to fly on and having one less means that the 767 will probably stay mainline for a bit longer. Mind you I still prefer the 767 to the 787...

[Cage]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Interesting ... The AC MNL route would no doubt be to serve YYZ better, which is logical. It seems a juicy route, and some planes already go to JFK.
BKK, I thought, would be Thai. Maybe AC is trying to head them off at the pass, or just grabbing a hunk of the action.
That said, the BIG SE Asian destination talked about casually, but not mentioned formally so far is Singapore. Maybe that one will be SQL itself, if it comes to pass .....
Maybe it comprises that big "ground-breaker" route everyone's guessing on, but who can say? Time alone. (and Johnny, of course)

Thai is in a long term mess for the foreseeable future. They had to drop NA as a destination because of their financial difficulties. Long term there is so much government interference and corruption that I cannot imagine Thai will get out of its troubles.

Because of Thai troubles, AC would have an easy time on YVR-BKK, especially without competition from the ME3. It was the ME3 that was causing SAS to drop back on BKK despite a large Thai population in their major business centers.

SIN has the issue of both UA and SQ getting into the SIN-N.A. nonstop market. This would dampen AC chances of success.

MNL is similar to BKK, but with a better run airline (over the longer term) than Thai.

[vanlaw]

One of the AC 767's coming in from YUL had to do a go-around last night around 9pm. I can sometimes hear planes from where I am in east van, depending on the approach, but this was a different sound than normal. Turns out it was gaining altitude over east van, which is rather unusual.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ac195/#be4a76b

[nname]

AC had signed a codeshare agreement with Virgin Australia to provide codeshare service from SYD/BNE to:
Adelaide
Auckland
Canberra
Cairns
Christchurch
Gold Coast
Melbourne
Perth
Wellington

Virgin Australia would codeshare with AC for flights from LAX to:
Calgary
Montreal
Toronto
Vancouver


Source:
http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/air...-in-strategic-cooperation-606563026.html

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by Orcair

I'm so pissed that the poor A330 fell and got that damaged. It's my favourite Air Canada plane to fly on and having one less means that the 767 will probably stay mainline for a bit longer. Mind you I still prefer the 767 to the 787...

Where and how was the a333 damaged? Also we only see the a330 once a day I think, just the one flight to Montreal. As well, on this discussion I seem to recall Singapore being discussed quite frequently as a possible destination.

[Orcair]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Where and how was the a333 damaged? Also we only see the a330 once a day I think, just the one flight to Montreal. As well, on this discussion I seem to recall Singapore being discussed quite frequently as a possible destination.

http://www.lactualite.com/actualites/avi...ngapour-lors-de-travaux-de-restauration/ and http://journalmetro.com/actualites/national/1064459/avion-dair-canada-endommage-a-singapour/(only in French)

Basically the A330 was being reconfigured and it fell off its supports somehow - will take a minimum of 6 months to be repaired or AC might scrap it for insurance.

It's true the 333 only flies AC111/194 right now, but in the past/future it flies 2x daily - the 763 replaced it early this year on AC150/195 and the 333 was scheduled to come back and do both daily flights as of May 2017.

[SFUVancouver]

That's a major screw-up my a MRO, especially if it proves to be a hull-loss event. Air Canada and its insurance company lawyers are probably salivating for this one. I can see this doing some permanent damage to the reputation of the MRO. I also cracked a smile at the comment from the union chief of the previous Air Canada MRO that basically said "this is what you get" when you off-shore work.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Cage

Thai is in a long term mess for the foreseeable future. They had to drop NA as a destination because of their financial difficulties. Long term there is so much government interference and corruption that I cannot imagine Thai will get out of its troubles.

Because of Thai troubles, AC would have an easy time on YVR-BKK, especially without competition from the ME3. It was the ME3 that was causing SAS to drop back on BKK despite a large Thai population in their major business centers.

SIN has the issue of both UA and SQ getting into the SIN-N.A. nonstop market. This would dampen AC chances of success.

MNL is similar to BKK, but with a better run airline (over the longer term) than Thai.

When you speak of the ME3 causing a cutback from BKK, is that presumably Seattle If AC doesn't get a route to SIN, is it likely that there'll be SQL jets at YVR?
Also, what aspects of Manila are similar to BKK. There is already PAL, but no Thai. Sorry if you could elaborate a bit that'd be great
I would assume that this big, looming, omnipresent game-changer and groundbreaker of a rout originates somewhere in SE Asia, or E Asia.
So AC to SIN less probable.
AC to BKK (ripe for the picking?) ...although there was announcement sometime back for them planning both Vancouver and Seattle...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

As well, on this discussion I seem to recall Singapore being discussed quite frequently as a possible destination.

Just do some google searches and you will see that over the past little while SQ, TG, VN, OZ, and even the recently announced Hong Kong Airlines, have all publicly mentioned YVR in one aspect or another... Some airlines keep their cards closer to their chests while others splash fancy route maps (he he Air Canada).

SIN is connected to YVR on the AC investors day presentations 2018 network opportunities maps as are BKK, CTS, CDG, MEL, AKL etc... Those that have come to fruition are BNE, NGO, TPE and FRA. Remembering both DEL and DUB were not on either of those maps indicates one should NOT read too much one way or the other but there seems to be a method to their madness.

Having said all that above... The fact remains these routes are on the maps so there shouldn't be TOO much surprise if further announcements are made.

There is no doubt SIN, BKK and MEL are all being seriously looked at by AC. Maybe none, one, two or all three will come to fruition.

In the meantime... members on these forums shouldn't get too stressed what's going on... Imagine if we didn't get BKK or SIN direct... I personally wouldn't lose sleep over it.. sit back and enjoy all the new routes and airlines YVR has garnered in the last couple of years and those still to come...

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

Singapore Airlines is starting a direct flight to New York, total trip time is 19 hours :O

Yeah, it's an old route that they cancelled for few years and they are now bringing back with their new A350-900URL planes. It used to be an Business Class only route, but now it will likely see other classes as well. Forumer rxp mentioned it in his post few days ago.

The article is actually very interesting read into Singapore Airline's challenges in their region. There is always some other competitor putting pressure on certain markets and ME3s come up once again.

Originally Posted by rxp

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...irlines-wants-to-be-a-budget-carrier-too

Another great read on Bloomberg is an article on how the Chinese airlines have been flooding markets with discounted seats, which is something we have definitely seen here in Vancouver. That strategy has put some pressure on many traditional airlines flying in China, especially the American ones.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-air-fares-deals-blow-to-global-carriers

[stiffdeadman]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

That's A LOT of seats!!

You said you like variety... well Delta is also now showing a once weekly mainline 717 on the YVR-LAX flights... the afternoon flight on Saturdays.

Interesting. Something new for the spotters here as there has never been scheduled 717 service here before. Probably the one and only shot to get some pics of it unless you go down to Seattle where there are a few in and out daily to LAX and LAS. Hope it does well and ends up going year round. Think its the perfect plane for the route at least with Delta.

[SpongeG]

my friend from seattle is flying to japan from YVR, he posted on facebook that there was a problem getting on an alaska airlines flight {to YVR) and had to rent a car to drive to YVR to make his flight.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

my friend from seattle is flying to japan from YVR, he posted on facebook that there was a problem getting on an alaska airlines flight {to YVR) and had to rent a car to drive to YVR to make his flight.

Doesn't give us much to go on. I've been involuntarily bumped off a flight before, and because the next few flights were all full (US holiday) they actually threw me on the quick shuttle up to YVR from SEA.

What could possibly go wrong enough that they couldn't accomodate on another flight or the multiple buses that run between the 2 airports.

[SpongeG]

he is from japan, but has lived in seattle a fairly long time, he spent quite a few years living here in burnaby before moving back to Seattle, getting citizenship here in Canada wasn't working out for him and his american husband.

Anyway this is what he said "we got trouble at SeaTac that Alaska was sooo packed and even though we went more than two hours ago, couldn't get the flight. Overall, we did rent a car and got there at YVR."

I guess the alaska flight they were supposed to catch was oversold

I wonder why he choose to fly from YVR in the first place though, are there no flights to japan from seattle?

weirdly last christmas my korean friend flew to korea via seattle, he was living in calgary at the time.

[mezzanine]

Interesting about a possible AC flight from YVR to MNL. AC's domestic netowrk would dovetail with a growing VFR market of filipino-canadians from smaller cities and towns in canada. Business traffic may have hidden potential - telus has several large call-centre operations in Manilla.

it would be nice to have a totally new destination (see DEN), but AC is growing its hub and growth like this builds on itself. and i'm sure that i'll see new destinations from YVR sure enough, from AC and other airlines.




http://www.telusinternational.com.ph