YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 537

CareerShow · #**10721** Posted **Dec 11, 2016, 7:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

July-Aug 2007 showed 1 x 73G (ANC) / 1 x 73G (LAS) / 6 x 734/73H (LAX) / 3 x 73G/734 (SFO) / 1 x 734 (SEA) + 11 x DH4/8 (SEA) & 4 x same (PDX)

I believe they may have peaked at appr 13 x 73X/day

Wow and to think now that the only two destinations served are SEAT and PDX. I remember their operations used to be big here but I never thought it was that big. Did they have a pilot base here? I also think they used to fly to PSP.

zahav · #**10722** Posted **Dec 12, 2016, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

More minor Delta adjustments for Summer 2017 but positive nonetheless...

DL boosting YVR-ATL to 3 weekly - red eyes Fri Sat and Sun.
Also YVR-DTW getting an extra flight per week - a Sat night redeye along with the Sat daytime flight.

Next summer, DL will be operating 13 daily flights again but 16 on Saturdays.

It looks like SLC is back to CR7 and CR9 flights. The 319 must have been just a shuffling before it got finalized. But good news regarding more Atlanta flying, I wish this route would go year-round! But with Delta flying to SEA, LAX, SLC, and MSP (all Delta hubs), they probably find it hard to justify

trofirhen · #**10723** Posted **Dec 12, 2016, 7:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

It looks like SLC is back to CR7 and CR9 flights. The 319 must have been just a shuffling before it got finalized. But good news regarding more Atlanta flying, I wish this route would go year-round! But with Delta flying to SEA, LAX, SLC, and MSP (all Delta hubs), they probably find it hard to justify

Too bad Air Canada won't do it.

CareerShow · #**10724** Posted **Dec 12, 2016, 8:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Too bad Air Canada won't do it.

I bet we will see AC add a few more US destinations in the next few years, most likely SLC, Houston, one of Washington or Boston, and maybe MSP or Sacramento. It looks like AC will be receiving more than 1 for 1 swaps with the C-series and the 737 vs the A320/E90's.

CareerShow · #**10725** Posted **Dec 12, 2016, 9:29 PM**

According to Air Routes China Southern reverting back to 788 in March.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...long-haul-service-changes-as-of-11dec16/

LeftCoaster · #**10726** Posted **Dec 12, 2016, 10:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

CZ CAN-YVR-MEX is definitely starting next April. Expect an announcement soon.

Expect something from Interjet soonish too! YVR-MEX will be their Vancouver launch route.

Strange today airlineroute reported they're ditching the 777 following winter and putting the 787 back on the route. Though this isn't the first time they've done that only to put the 777 back on. They seem to be really all over the place with their equipment announcements.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

DL boosting YVR-ATL to 3 weekly - red eyes Fri Sat and Sun.
Also YVR-DTW getting an extra flight per week - a Sat night redeye along with the Sat daytime flight.

Next summer, DL will be operating 13 daily flights again but 16 on Saturdays.

Hmm, will that YVR-ATL continue to be a 757? Love seeing that come into YVR.

Inching closer to actually serving the YVR-ATL market, still too little and too seasonal to actually be of much value though.

trofirhen · #**10727** Posted **Dec 12, 2016, 11:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Strange today airlineroute reported they're ditching the 777 following winter and putting the 787 back on the route. Though this isn't the first time they've done that only to put the 777 back on. They seem to be really all over the place with their equipment announcements.

Hmm, will that YVR-ATL continue to be a 757? Love seeing that come into YVR.

Inching closer to actually serving the YVR-ATL market, still too little and too seasonal to actually be of much value though.

What about Boston? Statistics have it that it's self-sustaing in pax # and a destination like that should be able to fit in a respectable % of J Class, too, would it not?

MalcolmTucker · #**10728** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 12:10 AM**

^ It has to compete against virtually anytime departures of single transfer services across numerous airports and airlines, with almost all of the connections onward from Boston being backtracks.

Hard to be competitive on that basis, earning ones own keep for a long flight vs. getting a freebie for some of the route via hubbing.

nname · #**10729** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 12:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Strange today airlineroute reported they're ditching the 777 following winter and putting the 787 back on the route. Though this isn't the first time they've done that only to put the 777 back on. They seem to be really all over the place with their equipment announcements.

If they are indeed launching CAN-YVR-MEX, then the change for CAN-YVR would probably still pending... I think CAN-YVR for S17 were never changed from 787 to 777?

I wonder where does CZ got their extra 3x weekly frequency... Did they bought them off CA cargo and HU??

casper · #**10730** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 12:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

^ It has to compete against virtually anytime departures of single transfer services across numerous airports and airlines, with almost all of the connections onward from Boston being backtracks.

Hard to be competitive on that basis, earning ones own keep for a long flight vs. getting a freebie for some of the route via hubbing.

I think the one weird variable in all of this is what happens when Air Canada opens up service to Melbourne. For the Australia flights they have one aircraft come in from Newark, a second from Toronto. Where will the third aircraft come from. Probably a destination that could fill a widebody both from passenger count and cargo. I don't know enough about the Boston market to tell if that fits the bill or not.

LeftCoaster · #**10731** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 12:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

I think the one weird variable in all of this is what happens when Air Canada opens up service to Melbourne. For the Australia flights they have one aircraft come in from Newark, a second from Toronto. Where will the third aircraft come from. Probably a destination that could fill a widebody both from passenger count and cargo. I don't know enough about the Boston market to tell if that fits the bill or not.

No way we go from 0 service to a 787. That aircraft will just pop into the usual YVR-YYZ widebody rotation.

Boston is a weird one though, it's long but serviceable with a 737 or A320, and appears to have the O&D to support at bare minimum partial week service. According to the statscan data it should be able to fill 5 flights a day with O&D alone. Adding in connecting pax one would think daily is achievable, at least in the summer.

I'm honestly surprised Delta hasn't hit that one up, both to service the route and to funnel YVR pax into Logan's Europe departures, both on its own metal and its SkyTeam partners.

Gotta think once AC receives its C-series planes the route is a no brainer daily. That and MIA.

nname · #**10732** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 12:56 AM**

Maybe rotate it with another ULH route... something like this....

Code:

2300 YVR - MEL 1030+2
1240 MEL - YVR 0840
1040 YVR - SIN 1940+1
2200 SIN - YVR 2030

Hmm... that works out well, isn't it? Although the flight to SIN got bad connection time.. besides some trans-con redeye flights...

rxp · #**10733** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 1:11 AM**

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...irlines-wants-to-be-a-budget-carrier-too

Johnny: Singapore to YVR?

casper · #**10734** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 2:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Maybe rotate it with another ULH route... something like this....

Code:

2300 YVR - MEL 1030+2
1240 MEL - YVR 0840
1040 YVR - SIN 1940+1
2200 SIN - YVR 2030

Hmm... that works out well, isn't it? Although the flight to SIN got bad connection time.. besides some trans-con redeye flights...

Interesting, that does slot in nicely. Probably makes for some reasonable connections at both ends.

Johnny Aussie · #**10735** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 5:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

It looks like SLC is back to CR7 and CR9 flights. The 319 must have been just a shuffling before it got finalized. But good news regarding more Atlanta flying, I wish this route would go year-round! But with Delta flying to SEA, LAX, SLC, and MSP (all Delta hubs), they probably find it hard to justify

You are right... back to Delta Connection... That didn't last long

DL's footprint at YVR has become impressive.

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Strange today airlineroute reported they're ditching the 777 following winter and putting the 787 back on the route. Though this isn't the first time they've done that only to put the 777 back on. They seem to be really all over the place with their equipment announcements.

Hmm, will that YVR-ATL continue to be a 757? Love seeing that come into YVR.

Inching closer to actually serving the YVR-ATL market, still too little and too seasonal to actually be of much value though.

Yeah wouldn't pay too much attention to the CZ's flip flop they've now been here long enough to see there is a default pattern. My source says it should flip back again to the 77W so probably won't see the the 788 on that route again.

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Originally Posted by nname

If they are indeed launching CAN-YVR-MEX, then the change for CAN-YVR would probably still pending...

Something like that

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Originally Posted by rxp

Johnny: Singapore to YVR?

That would be nice! Wouldn't it? Interesting read... quite a lot of the info in that article was discussed a few months back.

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Originally Posted by casper

Interesting, that does slot in nicely. Probably makes for some reasonable connections at both ends.

That would be nice! Wouldn't it?

zahav · #**10736** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 7:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Strange today airlineroute reported they're ditching the 777 following winter and putting the 787 back on the route. Though this isn't the first time they've done that only to put the 777 back on. They seem to be really all over the place with their equipment announcements.

Hmm, will that YVR-ATL continue to be a 757? Love seeing that come into YVR.

Inching closer to actually serving the YVR-ATL market, still too little and too seasonal to actually be of much value though.

It will be with a 737-800. Which is no slouch, the -800 and -900 series are almost comparable to 757s. We are going to see lots of upper series 737s, both DL and AS are putting 737-900s to YVR for some routes, and UA hasn't yet but they are always changing their a/c scheds and usually have a -900 here in the summer. AA is using 737-800s on twice daily PHX and DFW routes, and of course DL and Westjet

nname · #**10737** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 9:41 AM**

AC had recently re-numbered YVR-DEL flight to AC44/45 starting Oct 2017 (YYZ-DEL flight will be renumbered to AC42/43 on May 1st, and then YYZ-BOM will be AC46/47)

It's a sign that its coming back next winter at least, right?

With the recent shuffling, now it becoming more clear that AC start to group routes by numbers. They seems to save 4 numbers for 2 routes in South Pacific... hmmm....

Johnny Aussie · #**10738** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 10:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

AC had recently re-numbered YVR-DEL flight to AC44/45 starting Oct 2017 (YYZ-DEL flight will be renumbered to AC42/43 on May 1st, and then YYZ-BOM will be AC46/47)

It's a sign that its coming back next winter at least, right?

With the recent shuffling, now it becoming more clear that AC start to group routes by numbers. They seems to save 4 numbers for 2 routes in South Pacific... hmmm....

AC33/34 YVR-SYD-YVR
AC35/36 YVR-BNE-YVR
AC37/38 YVR-MEL-YVR hmmmmm

trofirhen · #**10739** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 2:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

AC33/34 YVR-SYD-YVR
AC35/36 YVR-BNE-YVR
AC37/38 YVR-MEL-YVR hmmmmm

May I ask why "Melbourne hmmmmm?" Does that mean it may not happen?
Or does that mean that it seems to be on the horizon, or what? I'd love to see a flight YVR - MELBOURNE.

Johnny Aussie · #**10740** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 3:11 PM**

Air Canada's latest summer 2017 schedule update has the following additions:

LAX will have a 6th daily flight added - a late evening departure
SAN will in fact have a second daily evening flight added for the summer

The additional LAX flight will be operated by 320s and SAN of course on Jazz CRAs.

So yet even more AC expansion out of YVR next summer! 14 daily flights on AC just to California next summer.