Calgary International Airport II - Page 253

Bokimon · #**5041** Posted **Sep 14, 2016, 11:24 PM**

I'm not worried about HU going 2/weekly. It's just temporary, and the timing of the service you have to give credit where it is due for the resilience of our airport to pull through with a positive growth for this year. Were they in a rush to snag the YYC spot before AC, maybe maybe not. But at the end this is something that is prepared for long term success just like the NRT route years ago.

I hope that once the loads do improve in the coming future that they'll upgauge to the 789 as 6 of them will be painted in KungFu Panda color schemes and one will be designed by me! (hopefully, provided I win the design contest next month. I am taking great efforts to research the airline and brand and even made a comprehensive 787-9 template to doodle my design concepts before finalizing the render on HU's website, its an awesome idea to reach out to the public like this)

ALso did anybody get woken up by a classic 747 of Kalitta that came in a few days ago? It felt familiar to hear some reverser noise travel all the way into downtown at 3am.

Johnny Aussie · #**5042** Posted **Sep 14, 2016, 11:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

AC major problem in starting YYC-PEk is no commercially viable slots at PEK. Well that and CAAC refuses to grant international airlines the ability to obtain/trade slots at PEK. The present scenario will likely continue until Daxing airport is operational.

I also heard from the AC CEO at the May Chamber of Commerce luncheon, if AC gets scommercially viable year round slots at PEK, they will launch YYC-PEK.

If you are trying to compare HU at YYC vs FI or KLM at YEG; those are two different scenarios. No Calgary civic booster mentioned AC or the NRT route during the launch or promotion of HU coming to town.

And that's it... Having "commercially viable slots." The slots are available and AC will be expanding YYZ-PEK again but the thing is you could probably fill additional flights leaving YYZ or YVR at any time of day due to just the sheer market size. From YYC, the slots would have to be conducive on both ends of the route to be viable.

One thing we can definitely rule out for any Canadian airport is any Chinese airline adding and new or expanded flights for at least a few years.

And I'm sure every airport authority in Canada learned a lesson from that PR faux pas.

Takeoff · #**5043** Posted **Sep 14, 2016, 11:43 PM**

From what i hear is that the front end of HU cabin is doing well. while the economy class seats are deserted most of the time

hoboman27 · #**5044** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 12:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by Takeoff

From what i hear is that the front end of HU cabin is doing well. while the economy class seats are deserted most of the time

Would not be surprised, Air China is coming down hard with steep cuts and promotions, more Chinese destinations in the bucket to choose from, Hainan's domestic reach is just not there.

CGY · #**5045** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 2:11 AM**

Hey all, long time lurker, very infrequent poster.

I'm not sure if this is the correct thread to post this question, but am wondering if anyone has any experience flying Air China? I am looking into flights from Vancouver to Sydney in January, and would ideally like to fly Star Alliance for the points. Air Canada's prices are astronomical ($1900 one way), but Air China (connecting through PEK) isn't bad ($1050). Any feedback or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

holhm22 · #**5046** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 3:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by CGY

Hey all, long time lurker, very infrequent poster.

I'm not sure if this is the correct thread to post this question, but am wondering if anyone has any experience flying Air China? I am looking into flights from Vancouver to Sydney in January, and would ideally like to fly Star Alliance for the points. Air Canada's prices are astronomical ($1900 one way), but Air China (connecting through PEK) isn't bad ($1050). Any feedback or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I've flown it before, although it was several years ago. It's pretty average service, nothing exceptional or anything. Just a general experience from me, don't remember much at all.

hoboman27 · #**5047** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 3:53 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokimon

I'm not worried about HU going 2/weekly. It's just temporary, and the timing of the service you have to give credit where it is due for the resilience of our airport to pull through with a positive growth for this year. Were they in a rush to snag the YYC spot before AC, maybe maybe not. But at the end this is something that is prepared for long term success just like the NRT route years ago.

I hope that once the loads do improve in the coming future that they'll upgauge to the 789 as 6 of them will be painted in KungFu Panda color schemes and one will be designed by me! (hopefully, provided I win the design contest next month. I am taking great efforts to research the airline and brand and even made a comprehensive 787-9 template to doodle my design concepts before finalizing the render on HU's website, its an awesome idea to reach out to the public like this)

ALso did anybody get woken up by a classic 747 of Kalitta that came in a few days ago? It felt familiar to hear some reverser noise travel all the way into downtown at 3am.

share your design with us once you are done, sounds like a fun exercise.

hoboman27 · #**5048** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 5:22 PM**

http://www.stockhouse.com/news/press-rel...ts-its-2017-transatlantic-flight-program

Transat moving East

Bigtime · #**5049** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 6:01 PM**

Am I reading that right? Not a single transatlantic destination being served summer 2017 from YYC? Instead 4x weekly YYC-YYZ to connect.

WS and others eating their lunch?

Riise · #**5050** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 6:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Am I reading that right? Not a single transatlantic destination being served summer 2017 from YYC? Instead 4x weekly YYC-YYZ to connect.

WS and others eating their lunch?

Is this actually good news for BA? AirTransat will still probably offer a cost incentive but people may have become accustomed to non-stop service. Additionally, I've seen AC, BA and KLM offer some really sweet incentives for connections in Europe.

ST1 · #**5051** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 6:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Am I reading that right? Not a single transatlantic destination being served summer 2017 from YYC? Instead 4x weekly YYC-YYZ to connect.

WS and others eating their lunch?

One would have to think WS would have at least some part in it. Unless AT was significantly cheaper, it's not likely anyone would use the connector to YYZ for a Europe trip.

Any bets on how long it will take Noflyzone to give a grandiose announce that AT no longer will be doing overseas flights from YYC?

Bigtime · #**5052** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 6:46 PM**

I posted the questions in the Canada airport thread, got a reply that there still will be Western Canada-Europe flights. However if that is the case that page I linked to doesn't even make a single mention, not a good job of advertising that those options will continue.

Johnny Aussie · #**5053** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 7:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

I posted the questions in the Canada airport thread, got a reply that there still will be Western Canada-Europe flights. However if that is the case that page I linked to doesn't even make a single mention, not a good job of advertising that those options will continue.

That article seems to be just highlighting flight increases out east and adding flights from YYC to YYZ (4x pw) and from YVR to YYZ (daily) and YUL (2x pw) for connections.

YYC definitely will still be served directly to Europe... Similar sched to this summer with 7 weekly flights:

LGW 3x pw (WED,FRI,SAT)
MAN 2x pw (TUE,SUN)
AMS 1x pw (MON)
CDG 1x pw (SUN)

Bigtime · #**5054** Posted **Sep 15, 2016, 7:28 PM**

Ah, appreciate the clarification. Good to know.

simster3 · #**5055** Posted **Sep 16, 2016, 6:20 PM**

I got an invite to the trials for Wednesday the 21st, but I can't make it. Hopefully, I'll get picked again.

PPAR · #**5056** Posted **Sep 16, 2016, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

That article seems to be just highlighting flight increases out east and adding flights from YYC to YYZ (4x pw) and from YVR to YYZ (daily) and YUL (2x pw)

This is interesting, and I think is a direct competitive response to the market. It is cheaper to fly from YYC to the UK this fall than it is to fly to YYZ. Transat probably is seeing more space to price compete on the high volume domestic routes than on the European routes.

Johnny Aussie · #**5057** Posted **Sep 17, 2016, 12:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by PPAR

This is interesting, and I think is a direct competitive response to the market. It is cheaper to fly from YYC to the UK this fall than it is to fly to YYZ. Transat probably is seeing more space to price compete on the high volume domestic routes than on the European routes.

Tipping the new route to LGW on WS might have something to do with that.... going to have to lower those fares to fill three 262 seat 763s per week to London. That's a very bold move during the weakest time of year for Western Canada - Europe travel. Probably indicative of why TS dropped its YYC-LGW for the winter.

And with all the trouble Westjet has been having with those former QF birds, they better have a good contingency plan in place! Certainly a good reason why QF dumped them!

casper · #**5058** Posted **Sep 17, 2016, 3:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by ST1

One would have to think WS would have at least some part in it. Unless AT was significantly cheaper, it's not likely anyone would use the connector to YYZ for a Europe trip.

Any bets on how long it will take Noflyzone to give a grandiose announce that AT no longer will be doing overseas flights from YYC?

AT use to be all wide body. They had a fleet that could fly from anywhere in Canada to Europe.

As they have replaced older aircraft they have switched to a mixed fleet of widebody and 737. With the shift away from Mexico during the summer, the 737 have to be used somewhere. That means domestic feed. Makes sense to run thouse between YVR and YYC and the eastern hubs of Toronto and Montreal. What are they going to do otherwise, part the aircraft or focus on Las Vegas?

MalcolmTucker · #**5059** Posted **Sep 17, 2016, 3:42 AM**

^ pull a Sunwing and run them in Europe.

YYCguys · #**5060** Posted **Sep 17, 2016, 1:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by simster3

I got an invite to the trials for Wednesday the 21st, but I can't make it. Hopefully, I'll get picked again.

I got my invite for October 5th. The deadline to RSVP is Monday, and my schedule for October won't be released until Tuesday, but I still said "yes, I'll be there", and hope for that day off!