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Old Posted Aug 23, 2016, 3:46 AM
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.....Do keep in mind that it's probably going to be chaotic, with all the extra procedures and locations and space, I can see the employees being stressed out for the first couple of weeks.
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I honestly don't think it will be that bad. We are spending the next 10 weeks testing and trial-ing the hell out of that building.....
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it's more so a concern of the human factor. Sure the systems and the machines will probably function fine, but human errors and everybody learning a new process is usually what screws it up.
I'm with hoboman, its going to be chaotic, but not for any reason the YYC-engineer and other designers and builders can compensate for or take responsibility for ensuring a trouble free launch.

I have reviewed numerous trip reports, lessons learned reports, white papers, and had a few first hand experiences with large scale aviation technology/process/infrastructure go live events. They all point to a scenario of at least 1-2 weeks post large scale change event of chaotic travel experiences for pax involved.

There are all ready a few hiccups revealed in the early trials. For starters, I have witnessed the automatic bag drop machines are very finicky with regards weight and bag dimension sizing. Am errant strap from a 100L backpack will result in the machine rejecting the bag. Also, at the AC desk only 1 out of 2 self bag drop machines is ever in operation.

to be continued....the rest of the post

System/process perspective: Among the big challenges for new international terminal is how to staff the international concourse D separate from the concourse E. For some, like the airlines, there will be no change to the staffing levels. But for others, like CATSA, there are big challenges. For example, a 7am departure on WS and second flight on Sunwing to Mexico. That's about 350 pax that are currently handled though concourse A preboard screening that combines domestic and international traffic. New terminal Ops how does CATSA staff the preboard screening lanes for A and D? No amount of physical trials will prepare for the real life events of daily operations.

System and human nature perspective: There are other eventualities that must be accounted for. Example, let's say AC845 dumps a full load of pax out on the street because of mechanical. In the old terminal those pax could go out from sterile airside and to the ground side. However the new terminal will require everyone to exit concourse D through CBSA. Can 270 extra pax be handled on short notice? What about the single pax that forgets something after going the pre-board screening and now has to be directed back to CBSA arrivals hall. Is they a trial,script for this eventuality?

Process perspective. Current tranbsorder Ops of A-B-C workflow will switch to the A-C-B workflow with preboard screening before USCBP. From a personal perspective I can do USCBP in about 2 minutes while preboard security screening can be 20 minute process with lineup in Nexus lane. Further, while the USCBP agents can modify their process to speed up the process (ask fewer questions for low risk travellers and only cursory review of secondary screening), CATSA cannot adjust procedures on the fly resulting in delays at screening line will harder to counteract.

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Old Posted Aug 23, 2016, 12:45 PM
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Apparently some of the trials are already underway, I didn't get a chance to sign up and just wouldn't have had the time. But there have been groups as large as 300 that have been put to different tasks.

I've got not flying until the new year, hoping by then things will be running nice and smooth at the IFP.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2016, 3:21 PM
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Apparently some of the trials are already underway, I didn't get a chance to sign up and just wouldn't have had the time. But there have been groups as large as 300 that have been put to different tasks.

I've got not flying until the new year, hoping by then things will be running nice and smooth at the IFP.
Darn, guess I wasn't one of the lucky few who got picked!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2016, 3:41 PM
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Not certain about Calgary. I know Saskatoon and Vancouver put the AIF into a separate fund that builds up over the years and then draw from that fund to pay for expansions when they come up.
Saskatoon will have to put on debt this year or next. Their capital fund is depleted but they still have capital expenditures planned. Page 11

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In 2014, consistent with the prior year, the Airport Authority had $550.0 million in outstanding debt financing consisting of a series of three long-term debentures with fixed interest rates and varying maturity dates.
Their retained revenues for capital covers the amortization of their assets for the most part (from an operational view for non-accountants: pays to replace and renew old stuff).
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2016, 7:08 PM
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Apparently some of the trials are already underway, I didn't get a chance to sign up and just wouldn't have had the time. But there have been groups as large as 300 that have been put to different tasks.

I've got not flying until the new year, hoping by then things will be running nice and smooth at the IFP.
All I have heard is that the trials so far have involved airport or otherwise aviation connected employees. I haven't heard about general public trials.

By new year the kinks should be worked out and the place operating smoothly, otherwise there is going to be a very bad Christmas period for everyone at the terminal. The Christmas rush will be the first big multi-day pax throughput real life experience.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2016, 3:41 AM
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Not certain about Calgary. I know Saskatoon and Vancouver put the AIF into a separate fund that builds up over the years and then draw from that fund to pay for expansions when they come up.
All airport improvement fees in Canada are accounted for using a separate fund accounting the large dollar amounts required for airport infrastructure improvements, it's unlikely that any Aiport will have surplus funds from the AIF.

The good news for YYC is that the latest runway and terminal expansion will not break the bank and YYC airport will have enough debt capacity to continue with needed domestic terminal renovation projects.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2016, 2:42 PM
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The Marriott in the new terminal opens for business on September 1st.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2016, 2:53 PM
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The Marriott in the new terminal opens for business on September 1st.
Is the Delta Airport staying put in its current location?
     
     
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AA will maintain double daily flights to DFW this winter but the flights be operated by Eagle E75s.

And looks like PHX is definitely gone for good.

So looks like AA mainline is gone from Alberta as YEG will just have the one daily seasonal to PHX on Eagle.
Indeed.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...-calgary-aircraft-changes-from-oct-2016/

Looks like AA mainline will only be limited to YVR, YYZ and YUL in the Great White North !
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2016, 7:16 PM
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Is the Delta Airport staying put in its current location?
Yes it is, so two choices for hotels on the terminal areas proper.

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Indeed.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...-calgary-aircraft-changes-from-oct-2016/

Looks like AA mainline will only be limited to YVR, YYZ and YUL in the Great White North !
Uh thanks?
     
     
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There looks to be another Hainan plane sitting on the apron not being used tonight. The regular flight was many hours late leaving tonight. Any ideas why it's there?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2016, 3:11 AM
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Nope, that's the bird that flew PEK-YYC today. Something is up as the flight back is now scheduled to depart tomorrow at 11am to PEK.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2016, 3:44 AM
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Nope, that's the bird that flew PEK-YYC today. Something is up as the flight back is now scheduled to depart tomorrow at 11am to PEK.
I just flew out to Kelowna and the plane was at the gate with all the passengers waiting. It left the gate and was moved to the apron. Must have some issues
     
     
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Not surprised, are you? This redundant message brought to you by the redundant department of redundancy.
I thought it was the department of anti-Calgary propaganda
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2016, 4:01 AM
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Indeed.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...-calgary-aircraft-changes-from-oct-2016/

Looks like AA mainline will only be limited to YVR, YYZ and YUL in the Great White North !
And in other news...Bill Gates is rich.
     
     
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How have the passenger loads been on Hainan over the month of August?
     
     
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How have the passenger loads been on Hainan over the month of August?
From a YYC friend... "good". Asking for more info, I got "pretty good"
     
     
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YYC July Pax Stats

Not a bad result at all!

http://www.yyc.com/Portals/0/MEDIA/Media-PassengerStats/br_paxtotal.pdf

July 2016 vs July 2015

Overall up 2.6% to 1,552,568 (up 39,800)
Domestic up 2.3% to 1,125,670 (up 24,800)
Transborder up 1.3% to 290,531 (up 3,600) First month of growth in 2016.
International up 9.1% to 136,367 (up 11,400) Hainan, Edelweiss and Westjet having an impact.

YTD is up 1.3% now.

June has been revised to being up 1.3% from 1.0%.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2016, 10:35 PM
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Not a bad result at all!

http://www.yyc.com/Portals/0/MEDIA/Media-PassengerStats/br_paxtotal.pdf

July 2016 vs July 2015

Overall up 2.6% to 1,552,568 (up 39,800)
Domestic up 2.3% to 1,125,670 (up 24,800)
Transborder up 1.3% to 290,531 (up 3,600) First month of growth in 2016.
International up 9.1% to 136,367 (up 11,400) Hainan, Edelweiss and Westjet having an impact.

YTD is up 1.3% now.

June has been revised to being up 1.3% from 1.0%.
Second highest month ever. Let's see if August can break that record.
     
     
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